Hating a hadith just for the sake of hating a hadith?

“Allah does not forbid you from doing good and being just to those who have neither fought you over your faith nor evicted you from your homes…” (Quran 60:8)

It seems there is much discussion among those who are suspicious of the ahadith; especially when it comes to the ‘hadith of the fly’.

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, “If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should    dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease.”  Source: (Al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)

So what is heard is that this hadith sounds ridiculous therefore we should reject it!

The problem with this line of thinking is that it all too often unjustly restrains the supernatural to preconceived notions of what may or may not be possible, or fathomable.

The following could be true about this narration.

1) This hadith could be true.

2) This hadith cannot be proven true.

3) This hadith could be false.

4) This hadith cannot be proven false.

As there has not been any scientific research into this matter by any of the world’s leading universities; in particular those involved in microbiology it is best to withhold judgment.

Now, personally, do I think this hadith sounds a bit dodgy?  Yes, I believe that it does.

I have also found it noteworthy that the oil-saturated, ultra-rich gulf traditionalist are in no rush to throw money at a major university to investigate the scientific claims of the ahadith.

Note for example the massive printing press in Saudia Arabia which has the following interesting information:

http://www.qurancomplex.org/Display.asp?section=5&l=eng&f=faqs_eng003

Q3. “How many publications does the Complex produce per year?”

A3. “The production capacity of the Complex is ten million copies per year, of all publications which exceed 70 publications.

Q4. “What is the sum total of the Complex’s production of all publications so far?”

A4. Since its establishment, and till the end of Safar 1422/May 23, 2001 the publications of the Complex were about 165 million copies.”

That is quite an undertaking!

Keep in mind this is just Saudi Arabia, at one complex, let alone other places in Kuwait, and so forth.

Now it seems to me with this kind of financial backing a project could be funded in which a major university was asked to conduct experiments, on the issue of the fly, being dipped into a drink.

In fact, these people who claim that the ahadith are filled with verifiable scientific facts that the Blessed Messenger (saw) could not have possibly known 1400 years ago do not seem in any hurry at all to have such claims verified in the major universities today.

Many labs and universities are constantly looking for financial support.  I don’t think it is unreasonable to come up with a million dollars, or an agreed-upon amount to prove such claims.

However, I am quite taken aback when I see many people who attack this hadith simply because ‘it seems illogical’ or ‘doesn’t make sense’.

If that is the case a person would be forced to reject chapter 18: 25 of the Qur’an.

“And  they  remained  in  their  cave  for  three  hundred  years  and  exceeded  by  nine.”  (Qur’an 18:25)

Many people would assert that for a dog or a human being to be alive for 300 hundred years seems illogical, or that it doesn’t make sense.

I have already mentioned in a previous post what I would do if a major experiment was conducted on the claims of the ‘hadith of the fly’, and it was found to be true. I would repent for having doubts about it!

So here is my question to the two parties.

To those who reject hadith completely.  What would you do if an experiment was conducted in an established and respected university and the claims of the ‘hadith of the fly’ were true?

To those who believe all Sahih hadith is indeed representative of what the Blessed Messenger of Allah (saw) said.  What would you do if an experiment was conducted in an established and respected university and the claims of the ‘hadith of the fly’ were false?

“Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that which you have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and you know not.” (Qur’an 3:66)

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5 responses to “Hating a hadith just for the sake of hating a hadith?

  1. Pingback: Al-Daraqutni: The Sunni Imam who questioned Bukhari’s collection | primaquran

    • Abdullah you may be interested in seeing this so called ‘evidence’ discussed in an actual forum where there is back and forth presentation of evidence here: http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8024.40

      Some interesting points to consider the following:

      Quote from: “Hajj Gibril”
      “Second, from the perspective of logic, if the fly did not carry some sort of protection in the form of an antidote or immunity, it would perish from its own poisonous burden and there would be no fly left in the world.”

      A refutation of him from the link provided above

      “There are many species that carry pathogens harmful to other species but harmless to their own. It has more to do with the virus or bacteria itself having a design capable of attacking specific systems in other species while incapable to attack the very different systems of the carrier specie. For example, a virus designed to attack the houseflies’ digestive system will probably be totally harmless to humans because we have a different type of digestive system altogether NOT because humans carry the antidote to the fly’s disease. Hence, from the perspective of logic, Hajj Jibril’s arguments are simple minded and border on childish.”

      Moreover, the Hadith doesn’t leave room for Hajj Jibril, Frank, or PrinceZED, or anyone here including myself to guess what form of protection the fly may carry. The Hadith unambiguously states that in one wing is the disease/venom and in the other wing is the cure/antidote, a clear falsehood by any measure.

      Quote from: “Hajj Gibril”
      Further, the transmission of what the fly carries in or on its body is not an automatic fact. For example, the microbe responsible for ulcers and other stomach ailments can live on houseflies, although it remains to be seen whether flies transmit the pathogen. http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc97/6_7_97/ref1.htm

      The above reference, as well as the citation from Science magazine, has nothing to do with validating the statement “in one wing of the fly is the disease/venom and in the other wing is the cure/antidote”. It seems to be cited merely for the “sciencenews” name in the URL to add an aura of credibility to an otherwise unscientific article. The same can be said for the following references:

      Quote from: “Hajj Gibril”
      http://lamar.colostate.edu/~insects/systems/digestion/plenuryrd.html
      http://www.sciencefriday.com/pages/2000/Jul/hour1_072100.html
      http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/tocrender.fcgi?iid=1253

      Surely, any rational person can see that all the other references such as those from the Translation of the Meanings of Sahih al-Bukhari, al-Jami` li-Mufradat al-Adwiya wal-Aghdhiya, Mukhtasar al-Suwaydi fil-Tibb, etc. are devoid of scientific value and mostly rely on circular arguments.

      The fact is that no matter what the Ahl-al-Hadith say, they cannot change the reality that the wing of the fly is NOT even the main culprit for transmitting disease. The main culprits are the legs that get contaminated by walking over manure and other materials containing infectious organisms. Flies excrete their fecal material wherever they come to rest and thereby mechanically transmit disease organisms without the need for any of their wings to even touch the surface. Because flies cannot eat solid food directly, they feed by regurgitating saliva on it. Hence, flies redeposit disease agents with each time that they defecate, feed or vomit. By comparison to the Sunni “al-dhubab tahir” even the cockroach is hygienic.

      Again it is sad to see people like G.F Haddad and others link to sites that do not verify their claims at all.

      I will still reserve judgement on this hadith until experiments are done in labs to either verify or debunk the claim.

      Thank you for the link.

  2. Bismillah ir rahman ir raheem,

    In fact if anyone is really interested in seeing the truth of this matter I would recommend the following link.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/01/29/islamic-science-has-come-to-this-pitiful-end/

    Unfortunate as I am not a huge fan of P.Z Myers; however, his comments as well as the comments of those who read the article deserve some thoughtful reflections.

  3. Pingback: Still Buzzing Around…. The Hadith of the Fly Returns! | primaquran

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