Al-Daraqutni: The Sunni Imam who questioned Bukhari’s collection

“And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. Indeed, the hearing, the sight, and the heart – about all those one will be questioned.” (Qur’an 17:36)

What is an amazing and refreshing phenomenon in the Muslim world today is this idea that Muslims and non-Muslims are encouraged to question the Qur’an.

We are encouraged to investigate its’ claims.  We are encouraged to think and ponder.

“Will they not then ponder on the Qur’an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.” (Qur’an 4:82)

In fact, we as Muslims proudly proclaim anyone’s right to investigate and challenge the claims made in the Qur’an.

We are very confident of the Qur’an as being the revelation given to us by the Almighty. However, the same cannot be said of the  of the hadith collections of Bukhari and Muslim

You will often hear, “They are all sound brother.”  Well, o.k  The Qur’an is also sahih- ‘sound‘. yet, the Qur’an is also mutawatir ‘indisputably authentic‘.  So you are saying I can investigate the history, and compilation of the Qur’an yet, I am not allowed to investigate the history and the complication of the hadith literature?

So thankfully there was a great Imam from our brothers the ‘Ahl Sunnah’.  He was known as Imam Al Daraqutni (May Allah’s mercy be upon him) and he did not believe that the collection of Bukhari was divine revelation.

It is also possible that Imam Al Daraqutni (r)  took Imam As Shafi’i (May Allah have mercy on him)  seriously when Shafi’i said, “Only Allah’s Book is perfect and free from error.” *

Source: (Narrated by al-Khatib in Mudih Awham al Jam’wal-Tafriq 1:6)

In fact, he checked into the compilation of Imam Bukhari and found it wanting.

“In his Kitab-al-Tattabu’ Al-Daraqutni argues for the weakness of 78 hadiths in al-Bukhari, 100 in Muslim and 32 in both based mostly on isnad criticism.”

Source: (Volume 1 Hadith History & Principles by Gibril Fouad Haddad pg 106)

The author Gibril Fouad Haddad, does not tell us exactly which of the 78 hadiths in Al Bukhari that Al Daraqutni argued for the weakness of.

Allah-willing in the future I will try and get a reliable Arabic source text of Imam Al Daraqutni’s book: Kitab Al Tattabu so that the readers can have a look at Al Daraqutni, and his critique of Imam Al Bukhari.

Imam Al Daraqutni is not the only one who took issue with Bukhari.  No less than Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani (May Allah have mercy on him) took issue with ahadith contained within Bukhari.

For the interested reader, you may wish to read this: https://primaquran.com/2017/11/08/sunni-intellectual-giant-ibn-hajar-al-asqalani-questions-hadith-about-90-foot-tall-adam/

 

These are some of the issues that Al Daraqutni could have found problematic in Al Bukhari.

Contradictions.

1. Are 2 Rakat after Asr Prayer a Good Sunnah or a Forbidden Thing:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
Allah’s Messenger
never missed two Rakat before the Fajr prayer and after the Asr
prayer openly and secretly.

Source: (Al Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 10, Number 566)

Narrated ‘Aisha:
Whenever the Prophet come to me
after the ‘Asr prayer, he always prayed two
Rakat.

Source: (Al Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 10, Number 567)

Narrated Muawiya:
You offer a prayer which I did not see being offered by Allah’s Messenger when we were
in his company and
he certainly had forbidden it (i.e. two Rakat after the Asr
prayer).

Source: (Al Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 10, Number 561)

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Messenger
forbade the offering of two prayers:
1. after the morning prayer till the sunrises.
2.
after the ‘Asr prayer till the sun, sets.

Source: (Al Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 10, Number 562)

Which was the last Ayat of the Qur’an that was revealed:

Narrated Ibn Abbas:
The last Verse (in the Quran) revealed to the Prophet was the Verse dealing with
usury (i.e. Riba).

Source: (Al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, #67)

Narrated Al-Bara:
and the last Verse that was revealed was: “They ask you for a legal verdict, Say:
Allah directs  about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs.”
(4.176)

Source: (Al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, #129)

 

But brother it’s sahih!    Yes, sahih only means that Imam Al Bukhari (r) found that its narrators were trustworthy people, who were upright, and met one another.  That in his opinion. In his research, none of the books of Rijal (studies that look into the biography of the narrators) mentioned the particular narrators in a bad light.

 

Even with his scrupulous investigation It still does not mean that the hadiths in Bukhari are infallible!

Imam Bukhari used Shi’a narrators in his hadith.

Abd al-Razzaq al-San’ani (Died 211 AH)

Ibn ‘Adi said: They (i.e. scholars) did not see any problem in his (Abd al-Razzaq Al-San’ani) hadith except that they attributed Shi’ism to him…He was a man of honour … he narrated traditions in praise of the Household of the Prophet (Ahl al-Bayt) and disparaging others… Mukhlid al-Shu’ayri said: I was with ‘Abd al-Razzaq when someone mentioned Mu’awiyah. ‘Abd al-Razzaq said: ‘Do not pollute our assembly by mentioning the descendant of Abu Sufyan!’. [Al-Mizzi, Tahdhib al-Kamal, under “‘Abd al-Razzaq al-San’ani”]

Ibn ‘Adi also narrated the hadith from Abd Al Razzaq al-San’ani , “If you see Mu’awiyah on my pulpit then kill him!”  [Al-Dhahabi, Mizan al-’I’tidal, under “‘Abd al-Razzaq al-San’ani”]
And yet in spite of this, his narrations are found in  Sahih Bukhari [kitab al-’iman]!!!  The fact that Imam Al Bukhari would use a Shi’a narrator who also narrated blatantly sectarian ahadith against Mu’awiyah would show anyone who is willing to be fair and honest that he is not above reproach in his compilations.

 

The point of this entry was to show that Imam Al Bukhari is not a revelation. It was not revealed by Allah (swt).  It is a compilation of hadith by one of the most distinguished, and erudite scholars in Islam.   Bukhari himself rejected 99% of the hadith that he came into contact with.

If you want to see that please check this entry: https://primaquran.com/2017/11/08/did-imam-bukhari-reject-99-percent-of-the-hadith-that-he-came-into-contact-with/

 

Yes, it is possible that all of his ahadith are really things that the Blessed Messenger (saw) said.

 

Again I do not believe in throwing out the entire hadith corpus. That is an evil suggestion by those who have left Islam and started their own religion.  I simply believe that there needs to be an honest revision of the current hadith corpus. A growing chorus of Muslims are starting to recognize this too. In fact, many of the savants of hadith continue doing that even in our times such as Shaykh Shuaib Al Arna’ut, Shaykh Nasiruddin al-Abani, Shaykh Salah al-Din al-Idlibi. (May Allah have mercy on them all). 

“O Mankind, the Messenger has come to you with the truth from your Lord, so believe; it is better for you. But if you disbelieve – then indeed, to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and earth. And ever is Allah Knowing and Wise.” (Qur’an 4:170)

“It is such that We clarify the revelations to a people who think.” (Qur’an 10:24)

 

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  1. Bassam Zawadi

    As for the hadith “contradiction”, why aren’t you convinced by the possible reconciliation attempts by the scholars?

    As for the second contradiction……. ummm have you really demonstrated a contradiction here? You have only demonstrated that Ibn Abbas and Bara’ held different opinions. So how is that an internal contradiction? They aren’t citing the Prophet here.

    As for the hadith of the fly…. seeing that science isn’t my area of expertise, I can’t state with 100% confidence that the Muslim responses are 100% solid or not.

    • Brother Bassam as to your comments:

      “As for the hadith “contradiction”, why aren’t you convinced by the possible reconciliation attempts by the scholars?”

      My question to you is why aren’t you convinced by the great Sunni Imams faulting of Imam Bukhari for admission of ahadith that were problematic?

      Which of the problems that he cited you felt were readily addressed by scholars?

      “As for the second contradiction……. ummm have you really demonstrated a contradiction here? You have only demonstrated that Ibn Abbas and Bara’ held different opinions. So how is that an internal contradiction? They aren’t citing the Prophet here”

      These two citations are in a book, more precisely the compilation that we call ‘Bukhari’ in that book are two different opinions, and those opinions are in contra diction to one another. As they are in the compilation called ‘Bukhari’ it thus constitutes a contradiction.

      Did you have a comment about the number of rakats before or after Asr? I saw that you had no comment for it.

      You also did not make any comment about Bukhari’s use of Shi’i narrators. One of which related a very sectarian view concering Mu’awiyah that was rather nasty.

      “As for the hadith of the fly…. seeing that science isn’t my area of expertise, I can’t state with 100% confidence that the Muslim responses are 100% solid or not.”

      I appreciate your honesty in this.
      Now I can tell you and those reading this that if that particular hadith were to found to be true, it would illicit immediate repentence from my behalf.

      So now let me ask you, if was established beyond doubt that this hadith was false based upon scientific experiments what would that say about the compilaton of Bukhari?

  2. Bassam Zawadi

    “My question to you is why aren’t you convinced by the great Sunni Imams faulting of Imam Bukhari for admission of ahadith that were problematic?”

    Let’s not be attacking strawman now. I never claimed anywhere that I literally believe every single hadith in Bukhari is authentic, nor did I claim that I believe that all of Al-Daaruqtni’s criticisms were invalid. I was SPECIFICALLY commenting on the examples you presented.

    “These two citations are in a book, more precisely the compilation that we call ‘Bukhari’ in that book are two different opinions, and those opinions are in contra diction to one another. As they are in the compilation called ‘Bukhari’ it thus constitutes a contradiction.”

    That clearly wasn’t the intention of your article. The intention of your article was to demonstrate unreliability of hadiths in Bukhari. Your example fails to demonstrate this. Why? Simple…. because it’s possible TO RELIABLY AND ACCURATELY report differing and opposing opinions of COMPANIONS (NOT THE PROPHET) on this issue. Soooo…. just because Ibn Abbas differed with Baraa’…. that in no way demonstrates unreliability of Bukhari as a hadith collector, which your article originally set off to demonstrate.

    “Did you have a comment about the number of rakats before or after Asr? I saw that you had no comment for it.”

    Umm… there are responses out there. I wanted to know your counter rebuttals to them. I’m sure given your seriousness of struggling to maintain orthodoxy that you at least saw the sort of responses that scholars offered in order to reconcile between these reports. So I would like to know why you believe their re-conciliatory attempts were a clear failure, which can’t be entertained, nor be given the benefit of the doubt.

    “You also did not make any comment about Bukhari’s use of Shi’i narrators. One of which related a very sectarian view concering Mu’awiyah that was rather nasty.”

    See http://islamqa.info/en/ref/120667

    “So now let me ask you, if was established beyond doubt that this hadith was false based upon scientific experiments what would that say about the compilaton of Bukhari?”

    It wouldn’t say much, it would only confirm what I already believe…. that Bukhari isn’t 100% accurate. I approximately give it a 99% accuracy currently at this stage and I have no qualms reducing it to 98, 97, 96, 95, etc. if I am absolutely forced to. However, for me it doesn’t change the fact that Bukhari is overall speaking generally reliable and safe for us to take our religious teachings from.

    • “Let’s not be attacking strawman now. I never claimed anywhere that I literally believe every single hadith in Bukhari is authentic, nor did I claim that I believe that all of Al-Daaruqtni’s criticisms were invalid. I was SPECIFICALLY commenting on the examples you presented.”

      No strawman here, unless your claiming that of yourself brother.

      You asked me the question,

      “As for the hadith “contradiction”, why aren’t you convinced by the possible reconciliation attempts by the scholars?”

      To which I replied to you,

      ““My question to you is why aren’t you convinced by the great Sunni Imams faulting of Imam Bukhari for admission of ahadith that were problematic?”

      However, as I read down I can see that you said

      “It wouldn’t say much, it would only confirm what I already believe…. that Bukhari isn’t 100% accurate. I approximately give it a 99% accuracy currently at this stage and I have no qualms reducing it to 98, 97, 96, 95, etc. if I am absolutely forced to. However, for me it doesn’t change the fact that Bukhari is overall speaking generally reliable and safe for us to take our religious teachings from.”

      This is all that I needed form you. Nothing more. Mission accomplished!

      “It wouldn’t say much, it would only confirm what I already believe…. that Bukhari isn’t 100% accurate.”

      Al hamdulillah!

      Bassam, you state:

      “That clearly wasn’t the intention of your article. The intention of your article was to demonstrate unreliability of hadiths in Bukhari. Your example fails to demonstrate this. Why? Simple…. because it’s possible TO RELIABLY AND ACCURATELY report differing and opposing opinions of COMPANIONS (NOT THE PROPHET) on this issue. Soooo…. just because Ibn Abbas differed with Baraa’…. that in no way demonstrates unreliability of Bukhari as a hadith collector, which your article originally set off to demonstrate.”

      Your statement above proves my point!

      ” because it’s possible to reliably and accurately report DIFFERING and OPPOSING opinions of companions (not the Prophet)( on this issue.”

      Which means what? They contradict one another. I never said anything about the reports being traceable to the Blessed Messenger (saw). If you could show me where I said that I would appreciate it. Both of the reports are mawquf.

      Yet, as you have mentioned they are OPPOSING opinions. Thank you sir!

      Those OPPOSING opinions are contained in the same corpus….nough said!

      In my question about the hadith that are contradictory on the issue of rakats before or after Asr, Bassam you said the following:

      “Umm… there are responses out there. I wanted to know your counter rebuttals to them. I’m sure given your seriousness of struggling to maintain orthodoxy that you at least saw the sort of responses that scholars offered in order to reconcile between these reports. So I would like to know why you believe their re-conciliatory attempts were a clear failure, which can’t be entertained, nor be given the benefit of the doubt.”

      My response is that it is an assumption that there are responses for me to look into seriously. When you provide them for me and the readers than we can proceed.

      ” I’m sure given your seriousness of struggling to maintain orthodoxy.”

      There is no need for me to maintain any orthodoxy, because you (the post civil war sectarian Muslims) cannot agree among yourselves what is orthodoxy.

      This is neither the time or place Bassam, to show where your views on theology have been refuted by other ‘Orthodox Sunni’ Muslims. Where they would have deemed your views astray and not ‘mainstream’.

      “Orthodoxy’ to one is Heterodoxy to another.

      I try not to let you sectarians frame the dialectic. Allah ask me not to divide my religion and split into sects. Allah has endorsed for me to call myself a Muslim.

      I am happy with the decree of my Creator.

      As for your link about the Shi’i narrators in Sahih Bukhari’s collection I am deeply appreciative of that effort.

      http://islamqa.info/en/ref/120667 < Here is what the link says,

      "Imam al-Dhahabi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

      "Bid’ah is of two types: minor bid’ah such as Shi’ism without exaggeration or deviation. This was the case with many of the Taabi’een and the generation that followed them, although they were religiously committed, pious and sincere. If the ahaadeeth of these people were rejected, many reports from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would be lost, and that is obviously a bad thing."

      It also says,

      "The extreme Shi’i at the time of the salaf, as known to them, was one who spoke against ‘Uthmaan, al-Zubayr, Talhah, Mu’aawiyah and some of those who fought against ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him), and reviled them."

      Now what is puzzling is why Bukhari would include Abd al-Razzaq al-San’ani as a narrator when he related the hadith about Mu'aawiyah that is assuredly extreme.

      Seems like an over sight.

      So now let us come to the conclusion of this matter.

      You may not agree with the examples cited. I will let the readers decide if you, brother Bassam or the links you provide solve the crisis.

      Yet, let us zero in on something that you did say.

      "It wouldn’t say much, it would only confirm WHAT I ALREADY BELIEVE …. that Bukhari isn’t 100% accurate. I approximately give it a 99% accuracy currently at this stage and I have no qualms reducing it to 98, 97, 96, 95, etc. if I am absolutely forced to…."

      In your personal studies what has led you to believe that Bukhari isn't 100% authentic?

      Which hadiths in Bukhari do you feel are lacking?

  3. Bassam Zawadi

    Jason, I don’t think we agree on the conclusion, since the conclusions you reach aren’t similar to mine. You are seeking to bash Bukhari in order to cast doubts on it, while I wouldn’t ever consider such a thing. I freely take from Bukhari without verifying, while your article is basically written in a way where you are asking people to not take anything from Bukhari without verifying it.

    As for Bukhari including differing opinions… I think you and I both know that your goal hasn’t been met. Your goal in this article is to criticize the reliability of Bukhari. This example of yours fails to demonstrate that. Bukhari reliably reporting how companions differed means absolutely nothing. This isn’t revelation to us you know. I knew this back in middle school. There’s no “contradiction” in Bukhari. The difference of opinion amongst companions being reported in a book doesn’t cast doubt on the reliability of the book.

    As for the asr example… don’t you find it quite arrogant & irresponsible to not even bother to check what the scholars have said about this??? You aren’t a scholar nor do you know Arabic and on top of that you didn’t bother checking for responses of scholars before ensuring your conclusions are true??? Is this responsible??? To even begin arguing back that your “intellectual” and don’t “blindly follow people” would only make things worse. I suggest you recognize this error of yours and attempt in the future to search for responses before reaching such conclusions.

    One simple response is that praying sunnah after asr was specific to the Prophet, while the prohibition is for the rest of the Ummah. Other responses were provided as well.

    Detailed studies have been made about Abdur Razaaq. Sunnis accept an entire hadith collection from him. So he’s exceptional. The material is out there.

    • You see Bassam,

      Maybe it has to do with your culture I am not sure. However, your fake bravado and feigning the intellectual high ground with condescending remarks makes more for boring conversation that it does for real exchange.

      Take for example:

      “I think you and I both know that your goal hasn’t been met”

      “This isn’t revelation to us you know. I knew this back in middle school.”

      I wonder why you didn’t learn it back in kindergarten? I do also hope that you would pardon me, but short of calling you a dishonest liar, please do tell me that you were speaking in hyperbole?

      If not, please tell me the name of the middle school you went to, The teacher who taught you ‘ilm al rijal’.

      Could you recall the mutun that you studied from?

      “As for the asr example… don’t you find it quite arrogant & irresponsible to not even bother to check what the scholars have said about this??”

      Don’t you bother to ask yourself the same question my friend?

      Than finally after all your bluster you finally have something to share with us.

      “One simple response is that praying sunnah after asr was specific to the Prophet, while the prohibition is for the rest of the Ummah.”

      And how did you know that? Was it also covered in middle school?

      “Detailed studies have been made about Abdur Razaaq. Sunnis accept an entire hadith collection from him. So he’s exceptional. The material is out there.”

      Yes sir! Exceptional indeed!

  4. Bassam Zawadi

    Oh yeah regarding the “sectarian” bit…. the worst thing of all is that your type of thinking “All of you are wrong, while I am right” is worse than any sect could ever be in it’s way of thinking.

    • Bassam,

      prove to me that Rasul Allah (saw) told us to call ourselves ‘Sunni’ or ‘Ahl Sunnah Wal Jammah’.

      I will give a few clues.

      Imam Tahawi.

      Ibn Abbas

      Abu Hasasn Al Ashari.

      I will give you another clue, it’s not endorsed n the Holy Qur’an.

      Other than that it detracts from the article

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  6. Bukhari and Muslim should be taken as authentic except those hadith which have been found defective by sanad and matan examination by scholars( these are not many,about a hundred) Shah Abdul Hannan,Islamic researcher of fiqh and usul, bangladesh

  7. It’s laughable brother what you have presented here. The contradiction you have showed in this article is not contradiction in the sahih of Bukhari. It is apparent contradiction not real contradiction my brother.

    Let’s take the car of ibn abbas and al Barra. Both are apparently contradicting but that does not mean it is contradiction in the sahih of Bukhari, it is actually contradiction between two people. You have not proven that it is contradiction in the book. How about Bukhari collected ibn abbas and al Barra’s opinion on last verse which revealed ditto as it is written then how is it contradiction? It is either mistake of ibn abbas or al Barra not imam Bukhari. So the case of contradiction you presented here doesn’t hold true.

    As for the apparent contradiction in the 2rakaat after Asr and forbidden of 2 rakaat after Asr. It is not even a contraction. I’m assuming that you have not studied asbab nazul, context of the hadith.

    Let’s take an example (it is made up example and can be true with facts):

    Prophet Muhammad (saw) was commanded by Allah to perform 2 rakaat after Asr in His early times of prophethood and before his death Allah commanded due to certain reasons to forbid the 2 rakaat after Asr prayer. If Bukhari has collected both the cases in His book of hadith then how is it a contradiction? It simply means that one command of Allah is abrogated by other command of Allah. And commands of Allah in terms of fiqh, legal theory can be abrogated and commandment of Allah in terms of promise can’t be abrogated.

    So the bottomline is consult a scholar id you don’t have enough knowledge in your religion. Otherwise you will lead yourself and others to misguidance.

    As for the authenticity of Bukhari, I also don’t believe it is 100 percent authentic. I believe it is most authentic after Quran which is 100 percent authentic and error free. Your example here are not true to question the validity of Bukhari by the way.

    • Aftab I understand that your a high school student and may have some ways to go in terms of interacting with people in a manner that is both becoming of a Muslim and becoming of a good human being. I do want you to know that statements like “It’s laughable brother what you have presented here.” Are not going to be accepted in the future if you want to be taken seriously. Not just by myself but anyone for that matter.

      “You have not proven that it is contradiction in the book. How about Bukhari collected ibn abbas and al Barra’s opinion on last verse which revealed ditto as it is written then how is it contradiction? It is either mistake of ibn abbas or al Barra not imam Bukhari.”

      It is a contradiction with in Bukhari as Bukhari contains conflicting narrations on this matter. We may as a technicality not say that it is an error of Bukhari’s Yet, the assertion holds true that it is a contradiction with in Bukhari.

      “I’m ASSUMING that you have not studied asbab nazul, context of the hadith.
      Let’s take an example (it is made up example and can be true with facts)”

      You need to be very careful on making assumptions. Than ending your comment on an appeal to seeking information from sectarian scholarship.

      If you would have read this web site which I know you have not done. (No assumption here). You will have seen the issue of ‘asbab an nuzul’ addressed.

      “Let’s take an example (it is made up example and can be true with facts):”

      Well I am not interested in dealing with ‘made up examples’. I am interested in engaging meaningfully with facts.

      “It simply means that one command of Allah is abrogated by other command of Allah. And commands of Allah in terms of fiqh, legal theory can be abrogated and commandment of Allah in terms of promise can’t be abrogated.
      So the bottomline is consult a scholar id you don’t have enough knowledge in your religion.”

      Again the very scholars that you appeal to are in chaos themselves on the issue of abrogation. I do not know what kind of light they can shed on it.

      Also if you would be more careful in your research once again you will see that this site has addressed the issue of abrogation.

      All the best to you!

      • Whether I’m high school student or not, that is not relevant. The matter which is relevant is you have to show where is the contradiction in the case you’ve presented in your article. I will again say it is laughable that a reasonable person such as you can present cases in Bukhari which doesn’t stand true to the case you’ve tried to present. The Quranist group is laughable in every aspect. They have no clue what are they following. I can raise serious questions and which you can’t refute but again, since you aren’t serious person who is more sentimental than reasonable than there is no benefit in continuing. SALAM, BYE.

      • Again if this is how you dialogue with people than it is going to be extremely challenging for you in the days ahead. If you claim to be a follower of one of the many competing Sufi Tarqiahs I would humbly suggest you ask that your writing be filled with glorification of Allah (swt) and not glorification of the self.

        SALAM

  8. Sorry I didn’t see your complete reply, perhaps that is problem of mobile wordpress app. I can see now.

    “It is a contradiction with in Bukhari as Bukhari contains conflicting narrations on this matter. We may as a technicality not say that it is an error of Bukhari’s Yet, the assertion holds true that it is a contradiction with in Bukhari.”

    If two person are having contradicting opinions regarding something, and I wrote both of their opinions in my article, it doesn’t mean my article is offering contradictory opinion regarding something rather it is the two person who are contradicting each other. To imply that I’m in mistake is illogical because I’m just a collector of their view. The error is in either of the two person’s view. In this case you are assuming it’s error of Bukhari and Bukhari is in mistake, whilst I’m saying that Bukhari is just a collector of narrations. Interestingly, Bukhari is honest enough to provide the contrary views of two companions on the issue of revealed last verse of Qur’an. He didn’t hide either of the narrations rather he is transparent. It is a positive point of Bukhari. Now coming to the contradiction of Companions, it’s possible that Al Barra is mistakenly misunderstood or he was not a native of Mecca or Madina rather he was from other place of Arabian Peninsula. The last verse which was revealed in his stay at Madina or Mecca was what he narrated. But the last verse of Qur’an is what Ibn Abbbas (r.a) narrated because he was living with Prophet (s.a.w) and he was close to him.

    It is not contradiction, it is misunderstanding. We shouldn’t stretch this simple issue.

    “Well I am not interested in dealing with ‘made up examples’. I am interested in engaging meaningfully with facts.”

    But the problem is you are also following conjectures brother. You don’t know the context of the 2 rakaat after asr hadith and prohibition of 2 rakaat after asr prayer? You are implying that you know the context but you don’t.

    You’re also following a made up example, I just shown the possibility of what might have happened is abrogation of former hadith with the later hadith.

    • Bismillah,

      No worries. Eid Mubarak to you and your family! May Allah (swt) continue to bless you and bless us all.

      I am going to try and do a simple recap of the word ‘contradiction’ and what it means in English.
      Contradiction-
      a) a combination of statements, ideas, or features which are opposed to one another.
      b) a situation in which inconsistent elements are present.
      c) the statement of a position opposite to one already made.

      So we can readily see brother that the point stands. Based upon the English usage and understanding of the word ‘contradiction. Bukhari contained with in it contradictions.

      An example: That may further be of assistance to your good self and others reading this.
      The ‘Gospel of Matthew’ maybe consistent with in itself. The ‘Gospel of Mark’ maybe consistent with in itself. However; as both accounts /reports are in ‘The Bible’ if they contradict each other it means that there is a contradiction with in ‘The Bible’.

      It doesn’t have to mean that the Bible ‘compiler’ contradicted him or herself; nonetheless if it contains reports by two individuals or more with conflicting narratives than indeed there is a contradiction ‘with in’ the Bible.

      In fact Al hamdulillah I am thankful that you concede that point as your focus has shifted to this being a plus point for Bukhari.

      Where you have said:

      “Interestingly, Bukhari is honest enough to provide the CONTRARY VIEWS of two companions on the issue of revealed last verse of Qur’an. He didn’t hide either of the narrations rather he is transparent. It is a positive point of Bukhari.”

      The definition of contrary in English is:

      opposite in nature, direction, or meaning.
      synonyms: opposite, opposing, opposed, CONTRADICTORY, clashing, conflicting, antithetical, incompatible, irreconcilable; different, differing, contrasting, inconsistent, incongruous; reverse, counter; repugnant, antipathic

      Just to engage another point.

      You said good brother:

      “But the problem is you are also following conjectures brother. You don’t know the context of the 2 rakaat after asr hadith and prohibition of 2 rakaat after asr prayer? You are implying that you know the context but you don’t.”

      “You’re also following a made up example, I just shown the POSSIBILITY of what MIGHT HAVE happened is abrogation of former hadith with the later hadith.”

      point a) There is no conjecture on my behalf. There is simply relating two contradictory reports with in Bukhari. I said nothing other then this. Which brings me to point b).

      point b) I never said anything about the context. Again I am simply relating two contradictory reports with in Bukhari.

      point c) “possibility” and “might have” is actually the language of speculation.

      As far as abrogation. I would encourage you to read this article so you can see the kind of chaos the scholars are in with regards to this very tenuous doctrine.

      https://primaquran.wordpress.com/2013/08/02/why-abrogation-in-the-holy-quran-is-a-false-doctrine/

      Thank you for this opportunity to engage with you. May Allah bless you and bless me. My Allah guide you and guide me.

  9. “Narrated Abu Huraira:

    The Prophet said “If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)

    If we brought this hadith to John Hopkins University, Harvard, Yale, Cambridge, Princeton, Oxford, Columbia, Stanford, Duke or any other top university in the world it would be outright rejected!”

    We don’t need science to validate our religion. Our religion is from al Haqq and science is from human beings. Science changes every hour and our religion is truth so it’s doesn’t change. Change implies imperfection and hence science is imperfect, whilst “no change” implies perfection hence our religion is perfect. It is the disease in heart that one is trying to find errors in the golden words of noble Prophet (s.a.w). If one had God consciousness he wouldn’t dare to do this.

    Coming to the issue of hadith, it looks from the imperfect science of today that the narration has scientific error. This error is based on the assumption that science is error free, factual proof show that science will always have errors because it is the study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and our observation is prone to error. Let’s assume that science is error free in this case (as you are believing it). How do you know that the hadith is taken generally?
    What if the hadith was not to be taken generally? What if the hadith is in harmony with the science (that fly has cure in one of it’s wings and disease in the other) of 14 Century back Arabian peninsula?

    • Bismillah, Eid Mubarak to you and your family.

      You have said:

      “Our religion is from al Haqq and science is from human beings. Science changes every hour and our religion is truth so it’s doesn’t change. Change implies imperfection and hence science is imperfect, whilst “no change” implies perfection hence our religion is perfect. It is the disease in heart that one is trying to find errors in the golden words of noble Prophet (s.a.w). If one had God consciousness he wouldn’t dare to do this.”

      I am not quite sure I would say that ‘science changes every hour’.
      According to y our own definitions of perfections you would be saying that Islam is not perfect. You would say this because in large part the Islam that you have come to understand is indeed a human endeavor. Now unless you have taken the position of the 12er Shi’a who believe in infallible (masum) Imams I am sure that you can appreciate that the Sunni faction is the result of a large drawn out process that lead to it being a ‘schema’.

      If what Imam Malik (raheemullah) brought was perfection then Imam Shafi’i (raheemullah) would not have felt the need to write ‘iktilaf fil Malik’.

      Respecting someone and feeling that they are upon guidance in every matter are two entirely different issues.

      ” It is the disease in heart that one is trying to find errors in the golden words of noble Prophet (s.a.w). If one had God consciousness he wouldn’t dare to do this.”

      Our Christian brothers and sisters would say that your heart is diseased because you do not accept the words attributed to Jesus:

      “And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.” (John 14:13)

      Now I am sure you argue that these are not the words of Jesus. Thus; this is not an issue with finding fault with words of the Blessed Messenger (saw). That is a presupposition. That is ‘putting the cart before the horse’, as they say.

      No one is denying the words of the Blessed Messenger (saw). One is questioning what A said that B said that C said that D said that E said that the Blessed Messenger (saw) said.

      “Verily, the vilest of all creatures in the sight of Allah are those deaf, those dumb ones who do not use their reason.” (Holy Qur’an 8:22)

      Now I do not fault you this brother. You are from the Indian subcontinent and from your blog your exposed to ‘Ashari’ and ‘Maturdi’ systems of creed.

      What I find “laughable” but in reality quite inconsistent and dishonest (not from you respected brother) but from the scholars, is that on the one hand anyone who attempts to question what the scholars brought are manipulated by phraseology such as “must have a diseased heart” or “reason is not everything.” (which by the way I agree reason is not everything-Read Immanuel Kant’s : Critique of Pure Reason)….

      Nonetheless those same scholars mostly “Sufi” orientated follow schools of creed, Ashari and Maturdi which are based upon Aristotelian logic!

      So reason for the because a matter of ‘have your cake and eat it to’.

      As for the hadith on the fly you may find this interesting.

      https://primaquran.wordpress.com/2014/11/16/still-buzzing-around-the-hadith-of-the-fly-returns/comment-page-1/

      With love, As salamu ‘alikum!

  10. Divine peace be upon you. I like the title of blog which is an approach followed by genuine reformers in each school within Islam. I also like both Daraqutni and Sanaani.

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