My mother’s conversation with representatives of the ‘Qur’an Only’ Religion from India.

And obey Allah and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, then Our Messenger is responsible only for conveying the message clearly. (Qur’an 64:12)

My mother’s (May Allah bless her in this life and in the life to come) conversation with representatives of the Qur’an only Religion from India.

So recently my mother mentioned she had a conversation with a brother/sister from India. They mentioned that they do not wish peace and blessing upon Prophet Muhammed (Saw) or Prophet Ibrahim (as) during AT TAHIYYATU in the prayer.

They told my beloved mother it is ‘association of partners with Allah‘.

I asked my beloved mother if they say ‘Al Fatiha‘ in the prayer. She replied, “yes they do.”

I told my beloved mother, ‘Well Al-Fatiha says:
Ghairil maghduubi’ alaihim waladaaleen.” -Those who have earned your wrath and those who have gone astray.

So why are they mentioning people, “who have gone astray and those who have wrath upon them” and that is not ‘associating partners with Allah’ but somehow wishing peace and blessings upon the Prophet Muhammed (saw) and the Prophet Ibrahim (as) and their families are?

It is clear we direct our prayers only to Allah (swt). No one is asking anything of Prophet’s Muhammed or Ibrahim (upon them Allah’s choicest blessings) in the prayer.

Then I asked my beloved mother do they believe that is fine for a parent to seek medical attention while their child is sick? She told me,’They do’.

Then I recited to my beloved mother the following:

Iyyaaka na’abudu wa iyyaaka nasta’een- you ALONE we worship and you ALONE we ask for help.

I advised my beloved mother, “Maybe we should tell them to stop committing shirk since they are asking other people for help!

Then I mentioned to my beloved mother when we say “Jazak’Allahu khayran‘ which in Arabic literally means “Thanks be to Allah who provided the provision.” Now it is obvious that a person who is giving you medical assistance, offering you food, giving you a job, money, love, and affection etc…are the means by which Allah (swt) is providing these things and they are not the divine themselves!

Yet, we recognize that these things are the asbaab (the means/doors/avenues) in a world of cause-effect.

“But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah’s helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear thou witness that we have surrendered unto Him.” (Qur’an 3:52)

Are we going to accuse Jesus (as) and his disciples of shirk for claiming to be the ‘helpers of Allah‘? Obviously not.

Seeing that this way was cut off they then told my mother that the way the majority of Muslims do their prayers is incorrectly due to the following verse:

“Say, “Call upon Allah or call upon the Most Merciful. Whichever name you call – to Him belong the best names.” And do not recite too loudly in your prayer or too quietly but seek between that an intermediate way.” (Qur’an 17:110)

So I advised my beloved mother, “Do these people take the Qur’an in context because the following verse says:
“And say, “Praise to Allah, who has not taken a son and has had no partner in His dominion and has no need of a protector out of weakness; and glorify Him with great glorification.”?

There is a conjunction here; WA QULI (And say) so do these people in include in all of their prayers, “Praise to Allah, who has not taken a son and has had no partner in [His] dominion and has no [need of a] protector out of weakness; and glorify Him with great glorification?”

I asked her to ask them the following:
1) Do you say these words or ignore the context?
2) Where do you say these words in the prayer?
3) Do you say them in each Rakat and if so where is the proof for that?
4) Do you say these words at the beginning of the prayer and if so where is the proof for that?
5) Do you say these words in the middle of the prayer and if so where is the proof for that?
6) Do you say these words at the end of the prayer and if so where is the proof for that?

Come to find out that they don’t say it at all! So they will take verse 17:110 and have no idea the context or occasion of the revelation and yet will ignore the verse immediately after it.

Let us also look again at the part where it says, ” And do not recite too loudly in your prayer or too quietly but seek between that an intermediate way”. What actually is that ‘intermediate way’? How do they know for certain?  The Qur’an has no internal evidence to tell you how this recitation should be carried out. This is only obtainable through the recourse of the secondary sources of Islam.  In this case the Blessed Messenger (saw) and those whom he recited the Qur’an to.

 

This is what happens when we don’t understand and take on board that the Messenger of Allah (saw) was the living, walking, breathing example of the Qur’an   This among a multitude of other reasons is why the Qur’an Only Religion continues to be problematic.

And obey Allah and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, then Our Messenger is responsible only for conveying the message clearly.” (Qur’an 64:12)

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  1. Abdullah

    Salaam alaykum Akhi,

    May Allah bless you and your family.

    I wanted to again congratulate you on your decision to follow the Ibadi school of thought and I wish you all the best brother.

    As for me, I’ve decided to go Qur’an only! Shocking I know but this is the only thing that makes sense to me after years of thinking, pondering, researching, reflecting, jumping from one school of thought to another, etc. Anytime I had a doubt or a question mark about something, the Qur’an had the answer! Anytime I went outside the Qur’an I became extremely confused and frustrated. I grew tired of hearing this scholar says this, or that Shiekh says that, or this is Bid’a, this is not the Sunnah, that’s not the Aqeedah, etc.

    The solution is the Rope of Allah (bihablillah) my friend! It does not matter whether you’re a Sunni, Shia, Ashari, Matarudi, hanafi, salafi, or whatever! The Qur’an answers itself! You just have to listen to it and reflect on it. I found that so many verses are taken out of context and can easily be explained by referring to the whole text (totality of the text). There is this perfect consistency in the Qur’an which I found mesmerizing! Let me give you a perfect example brother. Consider all those verses that say: “Obey Allah and His Messenger”. Here is an example:

    Say, [O Muhammad], “If you should love Allah, then follow me (fattabi’unee), [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” Say, “Obey Allah and the Messenger (aTee’ullaha warrasoola) .” But if they turn away (fa-in tawallaw) – then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers. {3:31-32}

    I asked myself the question: Are these 2 separate obedience’s? The answers are spread throughout the Qur’an and you only have take time to study it. Consider the following 3 verses which mentions both Allah and His Messenger together:

    And if you do not, then be informed of a war [against you] from Allah and His Messenger (biharbinminallahi warasoolihi). But if you repent, you may have your principal – [thus] you do no wrong, nor are you wronged. {2:279}

    And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many [alternative] locations and abundance. And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger (muhajiran ilallahi warasoolihi) and then death overtakes him – his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah . And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful. {4:100}

    They ask you (O Muhammad SAW) about the spoils of war. Say: “The spoils are for Allah and the Messenger (qulil-anfalu lillahi warrasooli) .” So fear Allah and adjust all matters of difference among you, and obey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), if you are believers. {8:1}

    Verse 2:279 is talking about those who do not give up Riba and that Allah and His Messenger will be at war with you! Now, think about it. Are these 2 separate wars? One with Allah and another one with the Messenger? How does one physically fight Allah? Can someone go to the battle field and fight Allah? Of course not! Perish the thought! But the people went to war with the Messenger didn’t they? Hence, those who fought the Messenger, also fought with Allah. Get it? But the war was waged by the Messenger.

    Verse 4:100 talks about those who left their homes and emigrated to Allah and His Messenger. Now, think about it. Were these 2 separate emigrations? How does one physically emigrate to Allah? Is Allah in a fixed place and you go to Him? Astaghfirullah, obviously not! But the people emigrated to the Messenger didn’t they? They physically went to him and joined him (accepted Islam). Hence, those who emigrate to the Messenger, also emigrate to Allah! Get it?

    Verse 8:1 talk about the spoils of war and that they belong to Allah and His Messenger. Now, again think about it. Are these 2 separate spoils? Does Allah even need spoils? obviously not! But the spoils were given to the Messenger and he distributed them among the believers didn’t he? Hence, whatever of the spoils that belong to the Messenger, also belong to Allah. Get my drift? It makes perfect sense!

    To conclude, Obey Allah and His Messenger are not 2 separate obedience’s but one. Obedience to the Messenger is obedience to Allah! This is simple logic! Here’s another question for you:

    Did prophet Muhammad (pbuh) obey Gibreel (who brought the revelation down to him)? Yes he did! So, who else has he automatically obeyed? Allah! Hence, the prophet obeyed BOTH Allah and Gibreel but was this 2 separate obedience’s??? And think about the opposite of this, If Muhammad (pbuh) disobeyed Gibreel, who would he have disobeyed also? Would these be 2 separate disobedience’s? Just think about it bro!

    I hope I haven’t confused the hell out of you but just sharing some of the experiences I’ve had recently. The Qur’an has all the answers akhi. The minute we drift off into the hadeeth world, we end up going over the hill and far away!

    Anyways, regardless of what you believe and follow, I pray that Allah blesses you and your family. Keep up the fantastic work bro!

    Salaam,
    Abdullah

    • walakum salaam wr wb, Thank you for sharing your perspectives as always. Getting ready to head off for the Friday prayers.

      “Anyways, regardless of what you believe and follow, I pray that Allah blesses you and your family. Keep up the fantastic work bro!”

      May Allah (swt) continue to bless you and your family as well.

      Walakum salaam wr wb.

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