“Had there been within the heavens and earth gods besides Allah , they both would have been ruined. So exalted is Allah , Lord of the Throne, above what they describe.” (Qur’an 21:22)
Two Incarnations? God became a dove? God became a man?
Remember that according to the majority Christian belief that the Father did not incarnate nor did the Holy Spirit. Unless of course you are among those Christians who believe in Patripassianism or a form of Sabellian Trinitarianism.
Our Christian brothers and sisters assert to us that God became fully man.
“For in Christ all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form (somatikos)” (Colossians 2:9)
Yet, they tell us the following:
”And The Holy Ghost descended in bodily form (somatiko) like a dove upon him and a voice came from heaven which said You are my beloved Son in you I am well pleased.” (Luke 3:22)
So here you have:
1) A disembodied voice about which there are two transmissions
a) indicates the voice was not heard by the multitudes
b) indicates the voice was heard by the multitudes
2) God incarnated as a dove in bodily form.
3) God incarnated as a human being in bodily form.
What is this all about? Whomever wrote the Gospel of John does not believe that Messiah Esau ibn Maryam (Christ Jesus son of Mary) was born of a virgin.
“The word took upon flesh” (John 1:14)
Just like when you watch Star Trek and people ‘beam up’ and ‘beam down’ so is the case with Jesus according to this writer.
If there is any indication that the Gospel writer ‘John’ believed in a virgin birth I certainly would like to see proof of it.
Of course people will object what about John 3:16 is not the word ‘begotten’ used? Well yes and no. The Greek word monogenes (only kind) does not mean or imply a sexual act or that Christ Jesus was conceived as other human beings were.
However, notice that the Christians love to focus on the idea of God becoming a man or taking on the appearance of a man for the salvation of humanity, yet at the same time they totally shift focus away from the idea of God becoming a dove for the salvation of Jesus.
Save Jesus from what? Save Jesus from being seen as false or not being approved of by God. Yet does this not present a conundrum? If God assumes the form or appearance of man in Christ Jesus and at the same time also assumes the form or appearance of a dove how can anyone with a straight face look you in the eyes and tell you that there is only one God in this picture?
Why do Christians shy away from defending the view that God became a bird, or took on the form of a bird? I’ll tell you why because this is where they part monotheism and enter open polytheism or at best pantheism.
Like where the writer of Acts quoted an ancient pagan poet for inspiration.
“For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’ ” (Acts 17:28)
Quote taken from: From the Cretan philosopher Epimenides or From the Cilician Stoic philosopher Aratus
If someone were to assert that the ‘Form’’ was simply an appearance and apparition and not a tangible reality this would be Gnosticism; because it would also mean that in Colossians 2:9 where it says ‘bodily form’ was also an apparition.
To deny that Jesus came in a tangible bodily form is the spirit of the Anti-Christ.
“Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.” (1 John 4:1-3.)
By the way according to the above text the Blessed Messenger (saw) is from God because he was made to say:
“The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; other messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.” (Qur’an 5:75)
Check it out! http://biblos.com/luke/3-22.htm
Its’ right here in the Greek Text!
(I have the Majority, Textus Receptus, and Westcott )
God became a man and a bird.
Now you have to ask yourself questions like:
What happened to the dove? Did it live a normal life span?
Did it get ‘beamed up’’ like in Star Trek, thus proving right those Christians who said Jesus was an apparition and didn’t have a flesh and blood body?
“And when they hear what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of what they have recognized of the truth. They say, “Our Lord, we have believed, so register us among the witnesses.” (Qur’an 5:83)
Colossians 2:9 “For in him (Jesus) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form.”
Luke 3:22 “And the Holy Spirit descended upon him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you, I am well pleased.”
Question: What does bodily mean?
Answer: (Body, Bodily, “bodily corporeally,” “the body as a whole, the instrument of life”.
Source: ( pgs. 36-37 Vine’s Concise Dictionary of the Bible Words W.E Vine)
Comment: “So here we have Jesus who is supposed to be God in bodily form and the Holy Spirit who supposed to be God also in bodily form and yet they are both in essence equally God! So not only did God become a man (authubillah min dhalik), God also becomes a pigeon! Yet we also have God speaking from heaven to ‘god the son’ in the presence of ‘god the holy spirit’. Three ‘gods’ are present. This is Tri-Theism!