The Qur’an: Created or Uncreated: Shaykh Ahmed bin Hamad al-Khalili to debate Shaykh Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz

Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is rightly guided.” (Qur’an 16:125)

Shaykh Bin Baz invited Shaykh Ahmed Khalili to his office and Shaykh Khalili accepted the invitation. Shaykh Ahmed Khalili and a small delegation went into what was described as a small room. There was no courtesy and no decorum showed on behalf of Shaykh Bin Baz. As soon Shaykh Bin Baz got everyone in the room he started shouting, “You Ibadi are Kafirs! You don’t believe in seeing Allah in the afterlife”. “You believe in the creation of the Qur’an and you must make tawba!” “You must testify that you are mistaken!”


Shaykh Ahmed Khalili remained very calm. He replied, “These issues are very old issues and many of the ulemah have been talking about it.” “Our expectation was to come and discuss on how to unite the Ummah, and keep the differences aside, and we should agree on certain terms.”

 

However,  Shaykh Bin Baz insisted, “No you must confess and you must repent.”

 

To which Shaykh Ahmed Khalili said, “You have your justification and we have our justification. So let us call for a general symposium In Mecca and allow all the media rather it is newspapers, or radio or television to broadcast this debate.”

If you think you are right and you want to tell the whole ummah of your righteous opinion this will show who is wrong and who is right.” “Even if we are wrong we agree to debate publicly so that everyone will know that we are wrong and you are right.”

Allow the Ummah to judge according to the debate and the justifications everybody brings forward.” However, Shaykh Bin Baz did not want to discuss nor debate.

So this prompted Shaykh Ahmed Khalili in the video you are about to see. In the beginning, Shaykh Ahmed Khalili mentioned that these are old disputes that split the Ummah. He asked whose interest is it to bring up these issues that split the Ummah? However, since Bin Baz started I have to clarify these points. The people of Bin Baz are doing their best to spread their beliefs and in the process to make us look like kafirs. Thus, Shaykh Ahmed Khalili (May Allah continue to benefit us by him) found it necessary to clarify the issues.  Ultimately Shaykh Bin Baz (may Allah have mercy on him) backed down. 

 

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  1. Pingback: Saudi Dr. Saad Al-Humid Professor of Hadith Sciences in Medina flees from debate with Shaykh Saeed Al-Qanoubi on Creation of Qur’an | Prima Quran

  2. Ruling on claiming that the Qur’an was created
    Question:
    “Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal stated in his book [Al-Sunnah]: “The Qur’an is the Words of Allah, not created. So, whoever claims that the Qur’an is created is a Jahmite (a follower of Jahmiyyah, which is a deviant Islamic sect denying some Attributes of Allah, claiming they are ascribed to people and cannot be ascribed to Allah), and a Kafir (disbeliever).” I would like to know from Your Eminence why those who claim that the Qur’an was created are considered Kafirs and judged as such by Imam Ahmad (may Allah be merciful to him)?”

    Answer:
    “The Qur’an is truly the Word of Allah. It was sent down to our Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as a revelation. Allah (Exalted be He) states:

    {And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur’ân)} [Surah at-Tawbah 9:6]

    And: {And this is a blessed Book (the Qur’ân) which We have sent down, so follow it and fear Allâh (i.e. do not disobey His Orders), that you may receive mercy (i.e. be saved from the torment of Hell).} [Surah al-An’am 6:155]

    And: {And (it is) a Qur’ân which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages (in 23 years).} [Surah al-Isra’ 17:106]

    There are many Ayahs in this context.

    Accordingly, the Qur’an is the Word of Allah that is not created, and whoever says that it is created is a Kafir (disbeliever). The Speech of Allah is one of His Attributes and whoever claims that one of His Attributes is created is a Kafir, because the Attribute expresses the reality of the Self. Moreover, this false claim necessitates likening Allah’s Attributes to those of His creation. Human beings did not speak until Allah created the faculty of speech in them. So whoever claims that the Words of Allah are created likens Allah to His creation – exalted is Allah above what they ascribe to Him. Allah spoke and will continue to speak as He wills. We do not say that He did not speak until He created speech, nor was void of knowledge until He created knowledge. Evidently, the matter is clear for seekers of truth when Allah guides them.

    May Allah grant us success. May peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family, and Companions.”

    The Permanent Committee for Scholarly Research and Ifta’
    Shaykh ‘Abdul-‘Azeez bin ‘Abdullaah bin Baaz
    Shaykh ‘Abdul-‘Azeez Aal ash-Shaykh
    Shaykh ‘Abdullah al-Ghudayyaan
    Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan
    Shaykh Bakr Abu Zayd

    Source: http://www.alifta.net – The first question of Fatwa no. 17521

    • Thank you for giving us your position. The interesting thing is that in this particular post Sheikh Bin Baaz was asked to debate this or to at the least have a symposium on the matter. Bin Baaz backed down. He missed a huge opportunity to proclaim his position.

      You can see where the Haqq is by looking at the articles here.

      The Qur’an is created. That is without doubt.

      The Qur’an is created.

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