Ahmed Deedat Saudi Funded Ashari Roasting the Athari Aqidah?

Say, “My Lord has only forbidden immoralities – what is apparent of them and what is concealed – and sin, and oppression without right, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down authority, and that you say about Allah that which you do not know.” (Qur’an 7:33) 

Remember when Saudi Arabia funded Ahmed Deedat used to roast Christians (and my implication the Jews) for their anthropomorphic and other traits/attributes/qualities of God in the Old Testament?

The God who hisses?

“And he will lift up an ensign to the nations from far, and will hiss unto them from the end of the earth: and, behold, they shall come with speed swiftly.” (Isaiah 5:26)

“And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria.” (Isaiah 7:18)

“I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.” (Zechariah 10:8)

The God who roars?

“The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.” (Isaiah 42:13)

“Now prophesy all these words against them and say to them: “‘The Lord will roar from on high; he will thunder from his holy dwelling and roar mightily against his land. He will shout like those who tread the grapes, shout against all who live on the earth. (Jeremiah 25:30)

The God who shaves?

“In that day the Lord will use a razor hired from beyond the Euphrates River—the king of Assyria—to shave your head and private parts, and to cut off your beard also.” (Isaiah 7:20)

The God who rides a cherub? The God who has smoke coming out of his nostrils?

There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. (2 Samuel 22:9-11)

A God who repents

“The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.” (Genesis 6:6)

“You have forsaken me, says the Lord, you are gone backward: therefore will I stretch out my hand against you, and destroy you; I am weary with repenting.” (Jeremiah 15:6)

“And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.” (Exodus 32:14)

A God who’s voice sounds like a chain dragged over a rock and gives unintelligible/indelible commands.

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “When Allah has ordained some affair in the Heaven, the angels beat with their wings in obedience to His statement, which sounds like a chain dragged over a rock.” (`Ali and other sub-narrators said, “The sound reaches them.”) “Until when fear is banished from their (angels) hearts, they (angels) say, ‘What was it that your Lord said? They say, ‘The truth; And He is the Most High, the Most Great.’ (34.23) Then those who gain a hearing by stealing (i.e. devils) will hear Allah’s Statement:– ‘Those who gain a hearing by stealing, (stand one over the other like this). (Sufyan, to illustrate this, spread the fingers of his right hand and placed them one over the other horizontally.) A flame may overtake and burn the eavesdropper before conveying the news to the one below him; or it may not overtake him till he has conveyed it to the one below him, who in his turn, conveys it to the one below him, and so on till they convey the news to the earth. (Or probably Sufyan said, “Till the news reaches the earth.”) Then the news is inspired to a sorcerer who would add a hundred lies to it. His prophecy will prove true (as far as the heavenly news is concerned). The people will say. ‘Didn’t he tell us that on such-and-such a day, such-and-such a thing will happen? We have found that is true because of the true news heard from heaven.”

The above hadith is also narrated by Abu Huraira, starting: ‘When Allah has ordained some affair…’) In this narration the word foreteller is added to the word wizard.

Commentary:

First the statement attributed to the Blessed Messenger (saw) “His statement, which sounds like a chain dragged over a rock” is refuted by Allah (swt) in the Qur’an:

“There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.” (Qur’an 42:11)

“There is no comparison to His absoluteness.” (Qur’an 112:4)

That is not at all how Allah (swt) sounds like! Also, note that the hadith above attributes ambiguity to the commands of Allah (swt).

The commentary is supposed to be about Qur’an 34:23 it has the hadith attributes chaos and uncertainty to the angels (who have obviously heard the commands of Allah az wajala before).

“Until when fear is banished from their (angels) hearts, they (angels) say, ‘What was it that your Lord said? They say, ‘The truth; And He is the Most High, the Most Great.’ (34.23)

Notice the Arabic text does not say angels. That is an insertion in brackets. So one moment the angels are puzzled and the next they say, The truth; And He is the Most High, The Most Great’.

Actually the context in the Qur’an is speaking about the disbelievers.

Say, [O Muhammad], “Invoke those you claim [as deities] besides Allah .” They do not possess an atom’s weight [of ability] in the heavens or on the earth, and they do not have therein any partnership [with Him], nor is there for Him from among them any assistant. And intercession does not benefit with Him except for one whom He permits. [And those wait] until, when terror is removed from their hearts, they will say [to one another], “What has your Lord said?” They will say, “The truth.” And He is the Most High, the Grand. Say, “Who provides for you from the heavens and the earth?” Say, ” Allah . And indeed, we or you are either upon guidance or in clear error.” (Qur’an 34:22-24)

No doubt this hadith was contrived by some sicko’s that are desperate to claim that Allah (swt) has a speech that produces sounds.

A God who has a foot?

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “The people will be thrown into the (Hell) Fire and it will say: “Are there any more (to come)?’ (50.30) till Allah puts His Foot over it and it will say, ‘Qati! Qati! (Enough Enough!)'”

These will clash with these two verses from the Qur’an:

“Allah said, “O fire, be coolness and safety upon Abraham.” (Qu’ran 21:69)

Upon the command of Allah (swt) the fire became cool why would Allah (swt) need to stamp it out with his foot or leg? He can just make the command.

“Had they really been gods they would not have entered it: They will all abide in it forever.” (Qur’an 21:99)

We know that Allah (swt) is really God. So on the basis of this verse hell is for that which is evil, vile and false and Allah (swt) is Haqq, not falsehood.

Notice that the translators in English say that Allah (swt) will put his foot over it, rather than in it. More obfuscation at work.

A God that runs/jogs/trotts/

“If My slave comes to Me walking, I go to him running”. Sahih Al-Bukhari, vol. 9, Book 93, Number 627

In Fatawa al-Aqida by Muhammad b. Salih b. Uthaimin,page 112, he says: 
Quote: 
وأي مانع يمنع من أن نؤمن بأن الله تعالى يأتي هرولة 
“What could forbid us from believing that Allah performs jogging/trotting [harwala]?”  


“If My slave comes to Me walking, I go to him running”. Sahih Al-Bukhari, vol. 9, Book 93, Number 627

Ibn Baz cites the hadith in his Fatawa and adds: 
“Interpreting such hadith metaphorically and avoiding relying upon their literal meanings is the practice of the heretic Jahmiyyah and Mu’taziliyyah”. Fatawa Ibn Baz, vol. 5, p. 374

Al-Albani is very explicit on the point: “Running is an attribute of Allah that we lack a base for denying”. Fatawa Al-Albani, p. 506

Again, Ibn Baz adds: 

Question: Is running an attribute of Allah? 

Answer: Yes, as it has been shown in the holy divine hadith….”and if he comes to Me walking, I go to him running. narrated bukhari and muslim. 

Ibn Baaz, The Everlasting Garden for Scientific Research and Legal Opinions Vol.3 Page 196. The heading of the subject where this fatwa was issued is called “Sifat al-harwala” , the attribute (Sifa) of running. 

The fatwa issued here is number 6932 Book title: Fatawa al-Janna al-Da’ima Lilbuhuth al’ilmiyah wa al’ifta

Author: Ahmed bin Abd Alrazaq al Dewish Published in Riyadh by the Ministry of Scientific Research and Fatwa Management. Date: 1996 Description: A collection of fatwas by various prominent scholars. 

In Fatawa al-Aqida by ibn Uthaimin, page 112

“What could forbid us from believing that Allah performs jogging? 

There you go, a God who runs, trots, and jogs!

In the debate Is the Bible the true word of God? Ahmed Deedat vs Pastor Stanley Sjoberg, Ahmed Deedat used anthropomorphic characteristics as a means to undermine the Bible quite effectively.

At 58:12 into the debate you can see this receives a huge pop from the audience and even motivated (presumably a Christian in the audience to burst out)

In reality we should thank those people in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, and other places because indirectly it sowed the seeds of doubt in the Athari school. Without a doubt it also helped to sow the seeds that would eventually help many to find their way to the Ashari school of theology.

Thank you Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates and all those upon the Athari Aqeedah who funded Ahmed Deedat and help to sow the seeds of doubt concerning your anthropomorphic deity that you want to impress upon humanity as the ‘One True God’.

Thank you Ahmed Deedat. (May Allah have mercy on you). Thank you for being the clever man and thinking about the long game!

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