“But the Jews and the Christians say, “We are the children of Allah and His beloved.” Say, “Then why does He punish you for your sins?” Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the final destination.” (Qur’an 5:18)
CHRIST THE DESPOT.
“But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Despot who bought them–bringing swift destruction on themselves.” (2 Peter 2:1)
“Those who cleanse themselves from the latter will be instruments for special purposes, made holy, useful to the Despot and prepared to do any good work.” (2 Timothy 2:21)
I always get a chuckle out of Christians, usually Evangelical, who like to boldly proclaim: ‘I don’t have a religion I have a relationship.’.
The implication here is that Muslims do not have any type of close relationship with Allah (swt). Our faith is just one of replete rituals, do’s this and don’t do that, a system.
Yet, they ignore this juicy inspired text of the New Testament.
“Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.” (James 1:26-27)
Here this inspired text of God is telling us clearly not that religion is worthless, but what type of religion is worthless and the type of religion that is acceptable before God.
So my over zealous evangelical friend reading this. Nice tactic but you yourself have a religion.
So many many Christians (no doubt having minds shaped by secular liberal values) and the so-called separation of Church and State think that they don’t need to follow any laws, statues or ordinances.
However, once one digs beneath this very thin veneer we find that Christians themselves must acknowledge that they themselves until today are bound by various laws. Only an utterly ignorant and completely unstudied Christian would suggest they need not follow any laws.
“But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, brings adultery upon her. And he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” (Matthew 5:32)
“It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife.” (1 Corinthians 5:1)
The text above not withstanding indirect support of poligyny (which the Jews did indeed practice) the above text is talking about incest (something rife among Christians until today).
In fact if you are an American you know the long standing joke about Southern/Mid Western states and people sleeping with sisters in corn fields.
That Christian who was sleeping with his father’s wife hand him over to Satan instructs Paul!
“It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of his body, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.” (1 Corinthians 5:1-5)
So what about a scenario when a man’s father has died. Can he than marry his father’s widowed wife? What kind of Christ centered guidance are the Christians given or they just left scratching their heads and shrugging their shoulders?
Paul chastises spirit filled Christians who have not repented of debauchery and sexual immorality.
“I am afraid that when I come again my God will humble me before you, and I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in which they have indulged.” (2 Corinthians 12:21)
Christians and Muslims are bound by many similar dietary restrictions.
“You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.” (Acts 15:29)
“Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allāh, and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars,2 and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islām as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin – then indeed, Allāh is Forgiving and Merciful. (Qur’an 5:3)
“He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allāh. But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allāh is Forgiving and Merciful.” (Qur’an 2:173)
#1) Muslims and Christians are not to eat blood.
However, for many Christians, guidance be damned! They will enjoy their blood pudding, very famous in the United Kingdom and Eastern Europe. Nor will Christians practice ritual slaughter of animals.
#2) Muslims and Christians are not to eat any meat sacrificed to idols. Or really that which a name other than God has been pronounced over it.
#3) Muslims and Christians are not to eat meat of strangled animals. When thoughtful Christians who actually give a damn about what the New Testament teaches, ponder why they should not eat blood or strangled animals like rabbits caught in snares it will dawn on them that they are to ritually slaughter the animal just like Muslims and Jews do, but they conveniently ignore this!
A beautiful more hard core translation rather than the soft core translations of today. (King James Version KJV 1900)
Any Christian who is a fornicator, idolater, adulterer, effeminate, or acts upon gay desire will not enter heaven!
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornificators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” (1 Corinthians 6:9 King James Version KJV 1900)
NOTICE ALMOST ALL MODERN TRANSLATIONS DO NOT TRANSLATE THE GREEK TEXT AS FORNIFICATORS
Please note that all most all modern translations today do not translate the Greek as fornificators.
Why is that?
Because anyone who grows up in the United States, who went to Bible camp, who went to those Fire Up Jesus camps, know exactly what was (IS) going on. The passing of notes back and forth, the hook up culture of youth as young as 12,13 and 14. Now with the internet and mobile devices the paths to fornification are much much easier for them.
Which results in teenage pregnancies’, unwanted pregnancies’, abortions, secret or open, shot gun marriages which end up regret and physical abuse. It often does not end well for the woman.
JESUS LOVE IS CONDITIONAL NOT UNCONDITIONAL.
CONDITIONAL UPON KEEPING COMMANDMENTS.
Now Christians can argue that grace is a free gift. However, it is absolutely non-biblical to state that the love of God or Christ for that matter is non conditional.
“But showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.” (Exodus 20:6)
“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15)
“If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love.” (John 15:10)
“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.” ( 1 John 5:3)
Do you people not understand this? Loving God and carrying out what he has commanded is not a chore! It grows from the love, honour, respect, that one has for an awesome God who has given us everything!
BUT YOU SEE MY MUSLIM FRIEND GOD CALLS HIMSELF ‘FATHER’ AND I NEVER SAW ALLAH DO THAT!
“In that day,” declares the Lord, “you will call me ‘my husband’: you will no longer call me ‘my master.’ (Hosea 2:16)
- When did /does anyone in the Bible stop referencing God as master?
- When/Where do Christians frequently refer to God the Father as Husband?
Husband is totally unrelatable to me. I do not think of God as my husband and frankly speaking the whole idea to me as a man is absolutely unrelatable. I am not the bridegroom of God. I do not relate to God as ‘my husband’. It is bizarre.
If you want to call God, ‘Father’, ‘Husband’ , ‘Dad’, ‘Daddy or ‘Abba’ that is on you!
You can be a Muslim (Shi’a, Sunni, Ibadi), a Christian (Roman Catholic, Armenian Orthodox, Syriac Orthodox, Oneness Pentecostal, Reformed Baptist, Quaker, Evangelical Lutheran) and anything you want under the sun, and if your son/daughter runs around the neighborhood and is sexually promiscuous, the likelihood of your child getting clap, gonorrhea, chlamydia is the same.
Allah (swt) doesn’t say, ‘Oh this girl is an Evangelical, or this boy is Greek Orthodox let’s spare him gonorrhea!’
And if that is not a blessing from Allah (swt) it is a punishment for your sin! So call yourself ‘Son of God’ or what ever title you fancy. If you DO NOT follow the commands and ordinances of God, as an individual, family, husband, wife, son, daughter, father, mother, society there WILL BE consequences.
“But the Jews and the Christians say, “We are the children of Allah and His beloved.” Say, “Then why does He punish you for your sins?” (Qur’an 5:18)
The ONLY thing that WILL save you is a contrite heart, and sincere repentance. Which means in Islam to turn away from the evil thing with your limbs, outward, your thoughts, your mind, and your heart.
“I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:3)
The Qur’an establishes that Allah (swt) is closer to us than our life vein. That Allah (swt) answers us, that Allah (swt) is there. Yet, at the same time it clearly establishes Allah (swt) as sovereign master.
“But the Jews and the Christians say, “We are the children of Allah and His beloved.” Say, “Then why does He punish you for your sins?” (Qur’an 5:18)
THE LOVE OF GOD AND OF CHRIST FOR CHRISTIANS IS CONDITIONAL UPON THEM KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS.
LET US START WITH WHAT THEY CALL THE ’10’ COMMANDMENTS.
Commandment 1.
“You shall have no other gods before me.”
Comments: We as Muslims would say no other gods beside him or after him. Not just before.
Commandment 2.
“Do not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in the heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God. visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generations of those who hate me. But showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.”
Comments: ‘Graven image’ is an internal debate between Jews and Christians, and even between Christians themselves.
For context you may wish to read about iconclast controversy during the Byzantine era. Interestingly enough are the comments about the rise of Islam in this regards. Muslims we do not make images, graven or non graven. Look what happened with the Golden Calf (Baal Yaweh) and the people of Israel. They were not punished simply for making the calf, but for worshipping it. In Islam they wouldn’t have even been able to make the damn thing!
The problem for Catholics/Orthodox at the very least is that maybe the statues and icons of Jesus and Mary that are littered all through out their churches add artistic expression and beauty, they have become a distraction and to portray Christ and Mary in the racial ethnic type of those who construct it is certainly problematic.
As far as God visiting iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations. Authubillah min dhalik (may Allah protect us from it). It is rank blasphemy. Unsound doctrine and an attribution of injustice to Allah.
Lastly, those who hate God do not obey, him however, God gives his steadfast love to the multitudes that who love him by keeping his commandments.
Commandment 3.
“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.”
Commandment 4.
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work. But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave, or our female slave, or your livestock, or the traveler under your care. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.”
Comments:
Again, this is a matter of internal debate between Jews and Christians as to which day is the Sabbath and as well as an internal debate among Christians. I will say this in my humble opinion and observation other than Orthodox Jews who diligently observe this the ONLY Christians I have known to take this commandment seriously are the Amish, Mennonites, and the Seventh Day Adventist.
Other than that the command of God to rest takes a back seat in the liberal world order. Interestingly The NYSE and NASDAQ are open Monday-Friday and closed on Saturday and Sunday. Closed on Saturday to honour Judaism and Sunday or else the Christians would have a fit. Alas, the millions of working class Christians are not allowed to observe the ordinances of God. Forcing Christians to work on Sunday is an attack upon their faith. It is a day in which they should rest, find comfort with their spouse, children, praise God and reflect upon the beauty of creation.
“People whom neither buying/selling or trading distract them from remembering Allah, from establishing Prayer, and from paying Zakah; people who fear a Day when hearts and eyes will tremble.” (Qur’an 24:37)
Commandment 5
“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord God is giving you.”
Comments:
“And your Lord has commanded that you shall not serve (any) but Him, and goodness to your parents. If either or both of them reach old age with you, say not to them (so much as) “Ugh” nor chide them, and speak to them a generous word. (Qur’an 17:23)
It is interesting that the Bible clause is ‘that your days may be long in the land’ after admonishing to respect one’s parents. People who have bad family upbringing, experienced violence, manipulation, hate in the household, they often grow up with psychological disorders, high blood pressure and a myriad of other physical ailments. There simply is no love in their households. It is proven time and again, be it Christian, Muslim, Jewish or what ever household that one grows up in, where there is no love there are not hearts with empathy and pity. Hearts become constricted.
Commandment 6.
“You shall not murder.”
Comments:
This is a better translation than ‘You shall not kill’. Because killing is a part of life. I once joked with my vegetarian friend, ‘I only eat plants that eat meat’. Christianity would not be alive today where it not for the ‘Just War Theory’. Christians fought many wars conquering and being conquered by the Danes, Kievian Rus, Saxon tribes etc. Truth be told the smallest sects/denominations of Christians are the most adverse to war, defensive or not. They are the Jehovah’s Witness, Quakers and the like. Rather than being open and honest with Christians about war and killing, the Christian tradition lost many intellectuals in the 60s and 70s to Hare Krishna, various stands of Buddhism, the Seth speaks series written by Jane Roberts, and a potpourri of new age beliefs that have only mushroomed all over Western Culture.
Commandment 7.
“You shall not commit adultery.”
Comments:
I hate to be cliché but GOOGLE IT. Just google “Christian pastor adultery.” Many a Christian have had such a difficulty with this. Of course this is due to some of their marriage laws that go against the fitra of the human being. You can’t expect people who got married in their early 20s, who tried to fulfill the law of God, and than God divorced to be monks for the rest of their natural lives. Little wonder!
Commandment 8.
“You shall not steal.”
Comments:
I wonder if there is a caveat to this in both Judaism and Christianity. Like for example is it stealing Palestine if one believes that God gave them jurisdiction over that land? Is war booty, blessed or ordained by God? Is partaking in something after one has knowledge that it is wrong still sinful? Example: Let us say we conquer Native American tribal people’s lands. Which technically is stealing. Is this justified? If it is under what pretext? If it is not and we are aware that it is stealing, usurping is there barakah (blessing) in remaining in a place that usurped from others?
So in fairness there are some theological questions that need to be addressed by Judaism, Islam and Christianity on this.
Commandment 9.
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.”
Commandment 10.
“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male slave or his female slave, or his ox or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.” (Exodus 20:3-17)
Comments:
I do wonder if this has some to commandment 8 and 9. It is possible one makes a false claim against one’s neighbor in order to usurp something of theirs. If the Christian Kingdom of Mercia sees that the Christian Kingdom of Northumbria has great land for pasturing and sowing crops and invades it on a false pretext are they breaking the 10th commandment?
OVER ALL COMMENTS.
The very fact that as we can see that Christians cannot commit adultery, or sleep with their’ father’s wife, or eat blood, or steal show that they must be and are indeed bound by laws. Yet, some how the bulk of Christians today believe that they are some how not subject to the laws of God. Or they think it is the 10 commandments only? On what basis do they think they can pick and choose God’s laws and ordinances?
So technically a Christian could have sex with an animal?
Whoever has sexual intercourse with an animal must be put to death. “Whoever sacrifices to any god except the LORD must be condemned and destroyed.” (Exodus 22:19-20)
“These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.” (Matthew 15:8)
This text describes aptly the bulk of Christians I have ever met. Pastors, Evangelist, Street Preachers, the Jesus Loves You, the Unconditional Love, all the clichés, all the meme’s, all the catchy one liners they use the blood of Christ as some kind of ‘get out of jail’ free card. That is wrong. The blood of Christ is supposed to be a ‘get out of hell’ free card, not a blatantly disobey God on Earth and do what ever the hell you want.
“For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Despot and Master.” (Jude 1:4)
“I am covered by the G Sauce so I can live what ever life I want.” You Muslim woman pity you. You can’t feel the wind blowing in your hair. You don’t know what its like to have a dating life. You poor Muslims so burdened by these laws.”
MAJROITY OF TODAY’S CHRISTIANS ARE ANTI-CHRIST AND ANTINOMIAN.
Know when you are dealing with a Christian who objects to Islam because they believe that our Beloved Messenger (saw) was a false prophet, or that the Qur’an is not divine revelation, or that Muslims do not have a cohesive plan of salvation than you are most likely dealing with a Christian.
Know this fellow Muslims, when you are dealing with a “Christian” who objects to Islam because of Shari’ah law, and the various laws of Islam you are not dealing with a Christian. You are dealing with an antinomian.
What is an antinomian?
“The Lord Jesus said: “None of them that said to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of My Father which is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name? and in Your name have cast out devils? and in Your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from Me, you that act as if the law does not exist” (Mathew: 7:21–23).
TRUE CHRISTIANS DO NOT PRACTICE SIN!
“By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1 John 2:3-4)
“Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.” (1 John 3:9)
“Anyone abiding in Him does not sin; anyone sinning has not seen Him, nor has he known Him.” (1 John 3:6)
Comments:
By the way not the subject of this entry but this brings us to the doctrine of Evanescent Grace. That is where a Christian may think he/she is saved but in reality they are being misled to think that they are.
The above text are very clear. In fact Christian theology is making a hyper spiritual claim that you will not find among Muslims. We remain flesh and blood and do not ever claim to be indwelt by the divine. So how is one filled with the Holy Spirit (God the Third person) out there having premarital sex, or extra marital sex, or getting piss drunk while God’s spirit is literally with in you?
It is not possible!
“Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?” (2 Corinthians 6:14)
Christianity and Alcohol.
A huge problem with Christians. What do you do though? When your God incarnate turned water into wine.
When you have vague guidelines like the the following:
“Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.” (Ephesians 5:18)
Drink but do not get drunk. Have a girlfriend, boyfriend and chill out together just don’t have sex!
Because Christians are not upon true guidance they have no such concept of Sadd adh-dhara’i’ (blocking the means) By the way the boyfriend/girlfriend comment in fairness does not apply to Christians of the past, but do you really think parents have any control over their children today?
This is not blocking the means.
Amongst Protestants, the Baptist and Church of Christ will always remind you to watch out for those wayward Lutherans and Calvinist that like to have good time!
The Protestant Christian who wrote the forward to this book is son of the famous Protestant R.C Sproul. R.C Sproul JR. narrowly escaped prison for his DUI (Driving under the influence) of alcohol.
https://rc-sproul-jr.blogspot.com/2017/06/rc-sproul-jr-pleads-guilty.html
Imagine if he crashed into another car and killed someone. That would have been a manslaughter charge.
“They will ask you about intoxicants (khamri) and games of chance. Say: “In both, there is great evil as well as some benefit for man; but the evil which they cause is greater than the benefit which they bring.” And they will ask you as to what they should spend Say: “Whatever you can spare.” In this way, Allah makes clear unto you His messages, so that you might reflect.” (Qur’an 2:219)
“Oh, you who have attained to faith! Intoxicants (khamru), and games of chance, and idolatrous practices, and the divining of the future are but a loathsome evil of Satan’s doing:’ shun it, (fa-ij’tanibuhu) then so that you might attain to a happy state!” (Qur’an 5:90)
To be fair we have the minions of Satan wanting to weave their whispering and destructive ways into the nation of the Blessed Messenger (saw) as well.
People like Shaykh Uthaymeen and those who think like him will be refuted with sound evidence and shut down every time!
PAUL IS IN AGREEMENT WITH AHL SUNNAL WAL JAMMAH ON OBEYIING AUTHORITIES.
“Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval. ” (Romans 13:1-3)
Thankfully there are sensible God fearing Christians who are starting to realize that, ‘No! Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Zelensky in Ukraine are indeed not appointed or instituted by God! That is a flat lie!
There is a HUGE difference between saying: Everything transpires by the will/power of Allah and saying that everything that transpires IS the will of Allah (swt). God is certainly not behind putting secularist and Satanist in power.
As for those who say we have to obey human beings in power no matter what hear what God/Allah says about it!
“And DO NOT OBEY the order of the transgressors, Who cause corruption in the land and do not amend their ways” (Qur’an 26:151-152)
They amend their ways than yes insh’Allah we remain faithful and loyal subjects of the land.
Narrated ‘Abdullah:
The Prophet said, “A Muslim has to listen to and obey (the order of his ruler) whether he likes it or not, as long as his orders involve not one in disobedience (to Allah), but if an act of disobedience (to Allah) is imposed one should not listen to it or obey it.
Source: (Al Bukhari Volume 9, Book 89, Number 258 & Hadith No. 203, Vol. 4)
Prima Quran 
I’m not really sure what was your point with this or to who did you write it but you really seem to be confused about the law for Christians. Despite the fact that you seem to have read the Bible if you quote that much, but I’m not sure you understand the difference between old and new testament.
Firstly it is true that Christians have to obey God. You are right that Christians can not live however they want to, Paul also pointed out that grace does not mean we can sin, since if we died to sin we can’t live in it anymore.
But the ceremonial laws in the old testament had their purpose and it was to point to Jesus. Jesus came and fulfilled the law. The book of Hebrews does describe that Jesus is now the High priest in heaven, which means He is the mediator between God the Father and men. In the old testament priests were from the tribe of Levi while Jesus was from the tribe of Judah. And the Bible said with the change of the priest the law changed too.
It does not mean we live however we want. Paul said though he is not under the law he is not without the law of Christ.
For someone who really believes, the gospel is first. And believing you are a sinner who deserves nothing yet God was merciful and because Jesus died you can live changes everything. If someone really believes that they will have a genuine desire to do what God wants them to do. And those who read the Bible and pray and have a desire to follow God will know His will, since He promised He will give wisdom for those who ask. His word is not vague or confusing.
For example
Sexual immorality
You probably know that genuine Christians take that seriously. Jesus did say even looking at someone with lust is sin. And the Holy Spirit does make us able to act contrary to human desire.
You wrote our marriage rules are impossible and then you criticize Christians who think Muslim women are not free because they have to cover up and not date. How does that make sense? With the grace of God it’s not impossible to keep His commands. That’s what His grace is for, to enable us to live for Him.
Food and sabbath
For both of these things the Bible clearly teaches we are able to chose what we want and not under obligation. It’s not cherry picking what we want if we eat something, Jesus did say that food does not make you unclean, it is what is in your heart that makes you unclean.
Alcohol
You can drink but don’t get drunk is not a vague rule, it’s very clear. There are things in life that you can do in moderation. Like eating sweets is fine but overeating is bad, would you tell people not to eat at all to make sure they don’t overeat? It makes no sense. But there are many Christians who decide not to drink alcohol at all for different reasons. I don’t drink either but if someone drinks in moderation that’s not a sin according to the Bible.
Also the verse you quoted does also include instead be filled with the Spirit. Even if you don’t believe the Christian teachings, don’t you think that someone who is filled with the Spirit and desires to follow the will of God would be careful and not get drunk and not drive drunk and honestly, if he saw that it is too risky probably would not drink at all?
Anyone who really loves Jesus is concerned where their actions lead and are setting boundaries in every way that could lead them to sin because they don’t want to sin. Jesus also said we have to take this seriously. Believers will say it is better to get rid of something that is leading you to sin, even if you want that thing, than to sin and lose your eternal life. But people are different and what is temptation for us can be different. Some people can’t drink any alcohol because they would not be able to stop. Some people need strict boundaries in other areas of their life. And all those who take God’s word seriously and want to follow Jesus will make sure they to do all they can to avoid sin.
Authorities
You also probably do know that the Bible says we have to obey God over all. In fact the apostles and Paul repeatedly disobeyed the rules to spread the gospel and clearly showed that God’s laws are first.
I’m not really sure what was your point with this or to who did you write it but you really seem to be confused about the law for Christians. Despite the fact that you seem to have read the Bible if you quote that much, but I’m not sure you understand the difference between old and new testament.
Response:
I am not at all confused concerning the law for Chrisitan. As the article clearly bares out as well as your response, it becomes clear as day who is a Christian and who is a Non-Christian Antinomian. As regards the point and whom it was written to. It found you. God wanted it to find you. It triggered you to respond. That is sufficient.
Firstly it is true that Christians have to obey God. You are right that Christians can not live however they want to, Paul also pointed out that grace does not mean we can sin, since if we died to sin we can’t live in it anymore.
Response: This we are in agreement. The points were made crystal clear by the text I quoted. Which makes you wonder how many Christians there truly are versus those who are actually antinomian or those who most likely may have evanescent grace.
But the ceremonial laws in the old testament had their purpose and it was to point to Jesus. Jesus came and fulfilled the law. The book of Hebrews does describe that Jesus is now the High priest in heaven, which means He is the mediator between God the Father and men. In the old testament priests were from the tribe of Levi while Jesus was from the tribe of Judah. And the Bible said with the change of the priest the law changed too.
It does not mean we live however we want. Paul said though he is not under the law he is not without the law of Christ.
Response: It would help if you quote your relevant sources. “For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.” (Hebrews 7:12) For the purpose of brevity let me just say I acknowledge what you think the scriptures claim about who Jesus was and his purpose.
“It does not mean we live however we want.” Can we get an Amen! Which makes you wonder how many Christians there truly are versus those who are actually antinomian or those who most likely may have evanescent grace.
For someone who really believes, the gospel is first. And believing you are a sinner who deserves nothing yet God was merciful and because Jesus died you can live changes everything. If someone really believes that they will have a genuine desire to do what God wants them to do. And those who read the Bible and pray and have a desire to follow God will know His will, since He promised He will give wisdom for those who ask. His word is not vague or confusing.
For example
Sexual immorality
You probably know that genuine Christians take that seriously. Jesus did say even looking at someone with lust is sin. And the Holy Spirit does make us able to act contrary to human desire.
You wrote our marriage rules are impossible and then you criticize Christians who think Muslim women are not free because they have to cover up and not date. How does that make sense? With the grace of God it’s not impossible to keep His commands. That’s what His grace is for, to enable us to live for Him.
Response: Which makes me wonder what actually your point who is or whom you are directing your comment to as I have addressed all of this. So, for those who are confused reading. The commenter (presumably a Christian) is telling you as clear as day, ‘The Holy Spirit does make us act contrary to human desire.’ Therefore, any of you “Christians” out there in your bible camps, fire up for Jesus camps, Christian seminaries, Christian colleges, who are looking at pornography, committing fornication, or committing adultery or have committed adultery you are simply not “Christian” no matter what you may have proclaimed with your mouth, no matter the tears. No matter how much you may want to fool the masses you cannot fool God!
Let me explain this vague passage of scripture for you so called “Christians”
“Therefore, I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say,” Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 12: 3)
Now it is obvious this vague passage of scripture if taken at face value is patently false. There are many “Christians” Jehovah’s Witnesses, OSAS camp, Calvinist, Pedobaptist, Roman Catholics, Methodist, Lutherans, Evangelicals, Oneness Pentecostals, Greek Orthodox all who claim “Jesus is Lord”.
So that passage demands that it be elucidated by other passages of scripture. All of which plainly tell you that you cannot be a temple of God the Holy Spirit and commit sin.
Food and sabbath
For both of these things the Bible clearly teaches we are able to chose what we want and not under obligation. It’s not cherry picking what we want if we eat something, Jesus did say that food does not make you unclean, it is what is in your heart that makes you unclean.
Response: It is at this point that I realized I am not speaking with a Christian. You are an Antinomian. I could spot you the moment you said: “Bible clearly teaches we are able to chose what we want and not under obligation.” Even after you have clear text telling you not to eat blood, eat food sacrificed to idols, animals strangled. Even after you are clearly told to keep the sabbath. “It is what is in your heart that makes you unclean.” It is gobbledygook, psychobabble talk like this that gave you away. You are no different than the new age movement who claim to have light in their hearts. You proclaim with your tongue what is obviously not in your heart? How do we know? By your actions, by your fruits. Jesus didn’t leave people guessing now, did he? By their fruit.
It would have also helped the readers if you quoted a passage, any passage to support your claim. Since you did not, I will do so for you. Now dear readers watch how the Antinomians who pretend to be Christians twist the scripture to fulfil their lust!
This would be a passage we would expect someone who follows the Antinomian faith to quote:
Jesus said, “Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?” (Mark 7:18-19)
So, does this mean Christians can eat anything they want?
The passage says that all foods pass through a man. However, it does not say unclean items are considered to be as “food”. Also, the whole point of the digestive system is to eliminate that which the body cannot utilize. The very passage itself clearly shows you that Christians cannot eat whatever the hell they want because, surely, they would not eat that which was ‘eliminated’. Christinas wouldn’t eat excrement. It’s not a choice.
“Jesus was not instructing people to eat arsenic, or even to eat those animals or things that are unclean like in Leviticus 11 or what the New Testament itself clearly says is forbidden to consume.
Godly Christians who try and live by their misguided religion will try not to quote the above text to justify their lust and appetites. However, an Antinomian will quote it in a heartbeat!
Alcohol
You can drink but don’t get drunk is not a vague rule, it’s very clear. There are things in life that you can do in moderation. Like eating sweets is fine but overeating is bad, would you tell people not to eat at all to make sure they don’t overeat? It makes no sense. But there are many Christians who decide not to drink alcohol at all for different reasons. I don’t drink either but if someone drinks in moderation that’s not a sin according to the Bible.
Also the verse you quoted does also include instead be filled with the Spirit. Even if you don’t believe the Christian teachings, don’t you think that someone who is filled with the Spirit and desires to follow the will of God would be careful and not get drunk and not drive drunk and honestly, if he saw that it is too risky probably would not drink at all?
Anyone who really loves Jesus is concerned where their actions lead and are setting boundaries in every way that could lead them to sin because they don’t want to sin. Jesus also said we have to take this seriously. Believers will say it is better to get rid of something that is leading you to sin, even if you want that thing, than to sin and lose your eternal life. But people are different and what is temptation for us can be different. Some people can’t drink any alcohol because they would not be able to stop. Some people need strict boundaries in other areas of their life. And all those who take God’s word seriously and want to follow Jesus will make sure they to do all they can to avoid sin.
Response: One cannot argue against the point you made. This is exactly what the text is saying not to get drunk. The point is people do not know their limits. So, this passage leaves it up to the individual. It allows human capriciousness to govern. That is the problem. The passage is indeed vague. What is drunkenness? You ever hear the saying, “I am not as think as you drunk, I am?” There are various body types, and because you are drinking you become part of the process. It is not possible for you to have a subjective account of what you are going through. Whereas those around you who have not been drinking can tell the effects.
The reasons why sincere Christians do not encourage people to take Heroin, Cocaine, Meth in moderation also applies. It also begs the question. In what situations would Christians be encouraged to be full with alcohol over the Holy Spirit?
You also realize you kind of put yourself in a hole with the following statement:
“But people are different and what is temptation for us can be different. Some people can’t drink any alcohol because they would not be able to stop. Some people need strict boundaries in other areas of their life.” EXACTLY! Like our guy R.C Sproul Jr. That guy could hammer away at a bottle of Jack Daniels. Alcoholism is a disease. It is just too bad that Christinas have to wait for modern medicine to take precaution. Thankfully for us Muslims we have divine guidance on the matter. Al hamdulillah!
Authorities
You also probably do know that the Bible says we have to obey God over all. In fact the apostles and Paul repeatedly disobeyed the rules to spread the gospel and clearly showed that God’s laws are first.
Response:
Just as long as we are on the same page on this. However, the text that Paul quoted is mistaken. This came from himself not inspiration.
“For there is no authority except from God.” Correct.
“And those that exist have been instituted by God.” Incorrect. Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Zelinsky and all those who are out to pervert humanity in places of power were not instituted there by God.
You really need to know the difference between God having power all things. God willing all things, and all things being by the will of God.
May Allah guide you to true faith so that you do not become among those who burn in hellfire forever.
“Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.” Colossians 2,16
The passage goes on about how we are not supposed to concentrate on rules about food and such things but the things unseen, that are eternal. Not eating certain food and keeping Jewish holidays will not make anyone a better person. And what I said is that in this question, the question of food and drink and holidays we can decide what to do because the new testament did not say either is wrong. You made my comment sound like we can just generally decide what we want which is not what I said at all.
Another one about food and holidays:
“One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.” Romans 14,2-6
The new testament literally did not say anywhere that a Christian can be recognized by whether or not they eat pork or keep the Sabbath and stuff like that. That is not proof of our faith and not the fruit, but our actions and words are.
“But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.” Galatians 5,16-22
How is saying you can eat what you want and decide if you want to keep Sabbath or not, that’s not the point, the point is you have to die to yourself, turn from your sins and live for God the same as the new age message that you are god and follow your dreams and stuff like that?
Do you consider someone who reads the Bible, prays daily, helps the poor, makes sure that he talks kindly, does not waste his time, nice and humble to everyone, stands up for the truth and the word of God, tries to share the truth and all in all spends his time and money and talent on serving God, waits until marriage with physical intimacy and but maybe occasionally drinks a cup of wine, eats pork and does not keep the Sabbath the same as a new ager who thinks he is his own god and his goal is to have his dream life with all the fun and entertainment and comfort he can get?
Paul had a lot of arguments with Jewish people who wanted new Christians to be circumsized and keep the law of Moses. And he did write that we do not have to keep it, it won’t make us holy, it won’t make us better. We are free and that freedom means living for Jesus. Freedom from our sinful desires and being able to do good. Not free to do whatever we want.
By the way antinomian apparently means a person who thinks we are free from the moral law. The foods and Sabbat are part of the ceremonial laws, not the moral law.
The point of the new testament is that it’s not religious ceremonies and rules like this what make you good and right with God but the death of Jesus by which your sins can be forgiven and the Holy Spirit can make you able to do good and live according to the will of God, many times contrary to human desires that are selfish.
A person can observe all religious ceremonies perfectly and their heart can be full of evil things and their words and actions can be evil.
“Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.” Colossians 2,16
The passage goes on about how we are not supposed to concentrate on rules about food and such things but the things unseen, that are eternal. Not eating certain food and keeping Jewish holidays will not make anyone a better person. And what I said is that in this question, the question of food and drink and holidays we can decide what to do because the new testament did not say either is wrong. You made my comment sound like we can just generally decide what we want which is not what I said at all.
My response:
So to help you understand the text you quoted and how they do not flatly contradict other clear text (already quoted) showing that indeed you are not to eat certain things. It may help if you have context to the text you quoted. Context is always important.
Paul here (if we assume this is the writer) is addressing a heresy and warning this particular church about people whom want you to follow their doctrines.
“Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit according to the tradition of men” (Colossians 2:8)
“Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind.” (Colossians 2:18)
“Touch not; taste not; handle not; [Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?” (Colossians 2:21-22)
The text simply does not tell you can eat anything, drink anything, or that you do not have to follow any sabbath.
Another one about food and holidays:
“One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.” Romans 14,2-6
My response: This text does not say that Christians can eat whatever they like. Christians are to distinguish between someone who is weak and someone who is rebellious. There is a huge difference. Again, this understanding is needed so that we are not faced with clear contradictions in the Bible where in you are clearly told not to eat blood, etc.
“The hand of the LORD shall be known to His servants, And His indignation to His enemies.
For behold, the LORD will come with fire And with His chariots, like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by His sword The LORD will judge all flesh; And the slain of the LORD shall be many. Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one who is among those who eat the flesh of pigs, rats and other unclean things—they will meet their end together with the one they follow,” declares the Lord.” (Isaiah 66:15-17)
The New Testament literally did not say anywhere that a Christian can be recognized by whether or not they eat pork or keep the Sabbath and stuff like that. That is not proof of our faith and not the fruit, but our actions and words are.
My response: You do realize that you just contradicted yourself. Christians will not be recognized by keeping the sabbath (a doing thing) or what they eat (a doing thing) but then you said you will be known by your actions. Exactly! However, as Jesus also contradicts what you say in that it’s not just your actions!
“The Lord Jesus said: “None of them that said to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of My Father which is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name? and in Your name have cast out devils? and in Your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from Me, you that act as if the law does not exist” (Mathew: 7:21–23).
Casting out demons, doing prophecy, doing wonderful works in the name of Jesus. Yet, depart from me you Antinomians!
“Look, I am coming soon, bringing my reward with me to repay all people according to their deeds.” (Revelation 22:22)
“But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.” Galatians 5,16-22
Response: No argument here. One can and should be filled with love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. One can and should do all those things while at the same time not acting lawless. Not acting as if there is no law.
How is saying you can eat what you want and decide if you want to keep Sabbath or not, that’s not the point, the point is you have to die to yourself, turn from your sins and live for God the same as the new age message that you are god and follow your dreams and stuff like that?
Do you consider someone who reads the Bible, prays daily, helps the poor, makes sure that he talks kindly, does not waste his time, nice and humble to everyone, stands up for the truth and the word of God, tries to share the truth and all in all spends his time and money and talent on serving God, waits until marriage with physical intimacy and but maybe occasionally drinks a cup of wine, eats pork and does not keep the Sabbath the same as a new ager who thinks he is his own god and his goal is to have his dream life with all the fun and entertainment and comfort he can get?
My response: It is interesting how you listed a litany of deeds and doing. Which is fine because faith without works is dead! It is nothing. But you are saying what do I think about those who do all these good things and still break God’s commands, indulge in wine etc.? It doesn’t matter what I think. It matters what God thinks.
Paul had a lot of arguments with Jewish people who wanted new Christians to be circumsized and keep the law of Moses. And he did write that we do not have to keep it, it won’t make us holy, it won’t make us better. We are free and that freedom means living for Jesus. Freedom from our sinful desires and being able to do good. Not free to do whatever we want.
By the way antinomian apparently means a person who thinks we are free from the moral law. The foods and Sabbat are part of the ceremonial laws, not the moral law.
My response: “Not free to do whatever we want.” You would do well to remember that. As regards your statement as on what an antinomian is. That is just your opinion. Foods are not part of any ceremonial laws. It is part of moral law. It is immoral to drink and eat blood. It is immoral to eat human flesh. God determines morality. God sets the boundaries, not man.
The point of the new testament is that it’s not religious ceremonies and rules like this what make you good and right with God but the death of Jesus by which your sins can be forgiven and the Holy Spirit can make you able to do good and live according to the will of God, many times contrary to human desires that are selfish.
A person can observe all religious ceremonies perfectly and their heart can be full of evil things and their words and actions can be evil.
My response: I agree that is what Christian theology teaches.
TRUE CHRISTIANS DO NOT PRACTICE SIN!
“By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1 John 2:3-4)
“Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.” (1 John 3:9)
“Anyone abiding in Him does not sin; anyone sinning has not seen Him, nor has he known Him.” (1 John 3:6)
True Christians do not sin, not even once. Because that is what the text says. Yet, I have not met a Christian who does not sin, apparently. What is hidden, only Allah knows.