“The one to whom Allah gives no light has no light at all.” (Qur’an 24:40)
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“Or do you say that Abraham, Isma’il Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do you know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? but Allah is not unmindful of what you do!” (Qur’an 2:140)
Just as Allah (swt) knows best what Abraham died upon; Allah (swt) knows best that which Dr. Maurice Bucaille and Dr. Keith Moore died upon.
The fact is that thousands of people come to Allah (swt) every day of the week around the world. Our Daw’ah (call to Islam) is on the ascendancy. A person who is an Atheist today is a Muslim tomorrow! People who hate Islam and attack it today end up embracing it and becoming champions of the faith! Allah is the Greatest!
I am hoping that in the Muslim community we can be people of integrity and truth. I don’t want us to make claims just for the sake of trying to ‘sell‘ the religion to people. I don’t think Islam is up for sale. I also believe in using good character and manners when inviting people to Islam; however, I do not believe that we ‘package‘ Islam as if we are trying to convince a group of board members to give us funding for an upcoming project.
This is what Islamic daw’ah (calling people to the faith) has become in some circles, unfortunately.
There are those among us in the Muslim community that can recal when it seemed that the whole world was right on track. One brother recalled that Neil Armstrong heard the call to prayer on the moon!
Then, as they recall the flood of all the lectures and videos floating around about the Qur’an and science! Well, the Qur’an must be true because it talks about aliens, black holes, embryology, fingerprinting, and atoms! Who could deny such obvious signs right?
Around this time (l would say late 80s early 90s) came the book, ‘The Developing Human’ by Dr. Keith Moore.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Developing-Human-Clinically-Embryology/dp/0721624138
Apparently, there was a blurb or a small piece in his book about comparing the text of the Qur’an which he felt corresponding to the development of the fetus in the womb.
This was latched on to and propagated far and wide. A Non-Muslim Caucasian American Doctor has now confirmed something of a miraculous nature in the Qur’an! Can you believe it?
Well, that certainly is a faith booster! How impressive indeed.! Many were wondering if they could meet this Muslim brother. However, even if they did they may be shocked to learn that . Dr. Keith Moore never converted to Islam. That is the information that we have.
In fact here is a video on YouTube with a very dishonest title to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC2_IMz9qcY
Followed by the very direct question posted to Dr. Keith Moore himself here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IObOzMAQ3hI
Now we as Muslims could put ourselves in a state of ease and dismiss it all by saying, “Well Allah (swt) guides whom he wills and leaves to stray whom He wills.“
This is certainly true. Yet, there is something very frightening in revealing to Non-Muslims deep scientific statements found in the Qur’an, that were not revealed to Muslims themselves; and yet not guiding that person to Islam.
As Allah (swt) says:
“The one to whom Allah gives no light has no light at all.” (Qur’an 24:40)
In fact, the ‘Islamic awareness’ web site touts both Dr. Keith Moore and Dr. Maurice Bucaille as people in the field of science that found the Qur’an containing outstanding information of a scientific nature. I would invite you to go to the web site and possibly cache it before it disappears.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Science/scientists.html
As my grandmother used to say, “You can take the horse to the trough but you can’t make it drink.”
Another curious example is that of the late Dr. Maurice Bucaille. A surgeon by profession his book, ‘The Bible, the Qur’an and Science’ is still being pushed today by many Muslim missionary organizations as a ‘must-read‘ book.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Bible-Quran-Science-Scriptures/dp/1930637217
I remember making my way through the book some time ago and walking away thoroughly impressed. However, in retrospect, I think that his over-reliance upon liberal scholars that do not hold to a supernatural world view in dealing with the Bible was in hindsight problematic. Also, no citation of sources is very problematic.Where are the books, periodicals, and research journals that Dr. Maurice Bucaille consulted in his research?
Ultimately, all this to do about the Qur’an and amazing scientific discoveries Dr. Maurice Bucaille did not embrace Islam.
This is not to say that the Qur’an does not have statements or text that mirror discoveries by modern science and nor is the Qur’an dependent upon such. However, it is very important that we do not read into our text that which is not there. May Allah (swt) suffice us.
Here is another site which unfortunately has the misleading title: “Why I embraced Islam“
Read the above entry carefully.
Q: Have you embraced Islam?
A: I wanted to make it quite clear in the very beginning that even before I learned the first letter of Bismillah, I was convinced that God was unique and all-powerful and when God guided me to undertake a study of the Qur’an, my inner soul cried out that Al- Qur’an was the Word of God revealed to His Last Prophet Muhammed. (S.A.W.).
In my book “Quran, Bible, and Science,” I have mentioned these facts and the book has met with instant success in the entire Christian world. In this book, I have devoted myself to discuss all problems from a purely academic angle, rather than that of faith or belief which would have revealed only my personal convictions. This was because I desired to be treated by the world as an academician rather than a theologian. About my faith and belief, God knows what is in one’s heart. I am convinced that if I identify myself with any creed, people will invariably dub me as one belonging to such and such group and feel that whatever I say or do, I do so from only the angle of such and such creed group. I know my fellow beings very well and understand their mentality only too well. I wanted to assure them that all my pronouncements are based on scientific knowledge and not on any religious dogmas.
Q: This is O.K., but since you have referred to God’s complete awareness with what is in one’s heart, may we ask what is your opinion about the human heart?
Even in his book Dr. Maurice Bucaille never once mentioned that he embraced Islam. He never finished the book with what would usually be afterthoughts and a declaration of one’s faith.
Again Allah (swt) knows best in what state any human being dies in. However, it is dishonest if we as Muslims are not transparent and use ‘bait and switch’ tactics in our conveying the message of Islam to people. That is why I am no longer apart of such organizations and nor do I have any desire to be a part of any Muslim organization that does not believe in being transparent, that uses bait and switch tactics to lure people into becoming Muslims. It’s simply dishonest. Such organizations are remeniscient of the type of tactics that Christian organizations and Chrisitan missioins use all around the world. Also, of interest is such organizations that do this tend to be ‘Salafist’ in their orientation of Islam.
The fact is that thousands of people come to Allah (swt) every day of the week around the world. Our Daw’ah (call to Islam) is on the ascendancy. A person who is an Atheist today is a Muslim tomorrow! People who hate Islam and attack it today end up embracing it and becoming champions of the faith.
Allah (swt) knows best what Dr. Keith Moore & Dr. Maurice Bucaille died upon. In my heart I hope that they accepted the truth before death came upon them. I hope that I should make it to heave and that I would meet them there. At last it should not be difficult for any Muslim and/or organization to come forward and attest to their Muslim burial.
Ultimately this article is not about trying to pontificate over the ultimate end of either Dr. Bucaille or Dr. Moore. Beyond being concerned about what will happen to them, I have myself to be concerned with.
“O believers! Protect yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is people and stones, overseen by formidable and severe angels, who never disobey whatever Allah orders—always doing as commanded.” (Qur’an 66:6)
As Allah (swt) says:
“Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until death faces one of them, and he says, “Now have I repented indeed;” nor of those who die rejecting Faith: for them have We prepared a punishment most grievous.” (Qur’an 4:18)
Lastly, anyone who saw such things in the Qur’an and did not thing they had a human origin and would not believe are those who have veils upon their hearts.
“The one to whom Allah gives no light has no light at all.” (Qur’an 24:40)
At last the article is written that we maybe careful about the claims that we make and the perceptions that are given to the general public.
May Allah (swt) cause you the reader, We, at Prima-Qur’an and all of us to die as Muslims -surrendering to the will of Allah.
Prima Quran 
Salaam brother, I have a question. By bait and switch, do you think there was duplicity involved, or did these individuals themselves sincerely believe in their proofs? Could it be that those who still use this as Dawah, are themselves misinformed on science and the claims being made? If the aforesaid suggestions are true, it would not negate calling out the organizations for any misleading propaganda to be sure…but wouldn’t it be wise to assume the best about their intentions? I too feel strongly about a more honest Dawah that fully prepares a convert for the actual contemporary physical realities of becoming a Muslim and that seeks as well to reveal all the loopholes in any essentialist dogmatic rendering of the Religion upfront.
walakum salaam wr wb. Dear respected brother noah I do believe that there was duplicity involved. At the most I believe that in the cases of dawah organizations in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait there was duplicity involved in the highest levels of particular organizations.
Both gentleman had either worked for or in Saudi Arabia and in the case of Dr. Bucaille had ties to people who were capable of making some very lucrative offers if need be.
As for the statement: “Could it be that those who still use this as Dawah, are themselves misinformed on science and the claims being made?”
Yes that is mostly the case. I think that most people are simply parroting information. This is why trust is so important, once trust is breached it can become hard to trust again. Big Pharma deceives us, government deceives us, the FDA deceives us, and deception and dishonesty abound.
It is possible that Dr. Moore and Bucaille believed that the Holy Qur’an could lead itself to such interpretations of the text and not that this was what the text inherently meant.
Surely its a curiosity of curiosities that the ‘Sufi’ masters who are to enliven the hearts of human beings never themselves had their hearts opened by the divine for such exegesis of the text to take place. Yet, in the 20th century the divine “opened the hearts” of two non-Muslims for such exegesis of the text.
It is the belief of the Muslims that Allah is one and only.
Muslims also believe that Muhammad (May Peace and Blessings of Allah be on him) is His last messenger.
Muslims believe in what was revealed to Muhammad (May Peace and Blessings of Allah be on him) and what he said and did.
Muslims also believe that they shall be held accountable to Allah for what they do/did on earth.
Muslims believe that we have a responsibility to tell others of the Message of Allah and His Prophet Muhammad (May Peace and Blessings of Allah be on him). If the message was given to a person well and repeatedly. then it should not bother a Muslim if someone reverted to Islam or not. If he did revert then he earns Allah’s pleasure and the Muslim stands to gain reward because of his untiring efforts in inviting him. If he did not revert in-spite of the best efforts then he has done his duty for it is Allah who gives Hidaya.
Al hamdulillah! Agreed!
As islam is for all human beings in their various hues and colours ,the same would be true for people of different educational backgrounds and different special interests . Therefore the Quran would appeal to intelligent minds be it in philosophy or physical sciences or cosmology.
If you specialize in a particular field and someone shows you something written in scripture over 1400 years ago that aligns perfectly with what you know now then your enquiring mind takes over and you marvel at this bit of ancient information which has a great degree of accuracy. And if you are honest you acknowledge it .
Your remark regarding the Sufi,s is disingenous. You are now deliberately misleading the reader. You know fully well what Sufism is all about . I am very involved with the Tariqah Movements here in South Africa so i know what the life of a Sufi is all about .
Dr.Moore and Dr. Bucaille ,both eminent scientists could not be so stupid as to put their careers, their integrity and the respect they held in society on the line to earn a few extra rials . They did not need it . I am positive that with their educational qualifications and extensive knowledge ,they already held high positions and earned sufficiently . Did they publish untruths verbally or in written form . Surely they knew it would be under public scrutiny . A strange position indeed
The Quran is essentially a book for the spiritual upliftment of man but it has a very varied content . Allah s w t Himself says that it is a book of knowledge and wisdom . Since there is such a huge onslaught on Islam , why shouldnt muslims use positive data to defend their position . You can never be dishonest about the Quran .Its content is protected by Allah s w t and you know that .
“Dr.Moore and Dr. Bucaille ,both eminent scientists could not be so stupid as to put their careers, their integrity and the respect they held in society on the line to earn a few extra rials.” No one is saying that they did. This is your allegation. You need to show us unequivocal proof that either of these gentleman embraced Islam. We have given you unequivocal proof that they did not. Like it or not.
“Your remark regarding the Sufi,s is disingenous. You are now deliberately misleading the reader. You know fully well what Sufism is all about . I am very involved with the Tariqah Movements here in South Africa so i know what the life of a Sufi is all about .”
You care to share which remark you have in mind?
Subhanallah, a very good Naseeha.
May Allah increases your knowledge and wisdom further..
Thank you noble brother Eric. May Allah (swt) increase us all in knowledge and wisdom. Amin!
I hope that Dr. Bucaille’s decision to not be explicit in his belief was as he indicated that it might have made his findings less receptive in the “Christian World.”
Keith Moore has not died yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_L._Moore
If he is not a Muslim, may Allah guide him to die as a Muslim. Ameen.
wasalams
Dear respected Muslim. Thank you as always for your comments.
“O you who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam.: (Holy Qur’an 3:102)
This is in regards to Dr. Keith Moore.
As regards to Dr. Bucaille this is why I choose the link to the particular interview that I did because I believe it does two things.
1) Shows some outright deception in the title.
2) Shows the obfuscation in Dr. Bucaille’s response which leaves it open ended.
One would wonder that after the book became widely circulated and published why he would not eventually come out and declare his faith.
Honestly speaking any Christian who reads the book unless he or she is a nominal Christian that does not even have a good understanding of the Christian faith tradition will see Dr. Bucaille’s book for what it is, a hit piece.
A book that unfairly utilizes higher critical scholars that attack the Bible, the same higher critical scholars that would talk about the “very human origins” of the Holy Qur’an.
Again for dr. Bucaille not to give us the periodicals, journals, research papers and books that he himself used to reach various conclusions leaves much to be desired.
With that said, Allah (swt) knows best his state when he left us. Allah (swt) knows best the state of Dr. Keith Moore when he leaves this good earth.
May you and I and our loved ones die in a state of Islam. Amin.
Courageous article to take on these issues: well done!
Consider these related pieces on my blog if you will:
Thank you respected mmmclmru.
I will try and take the time to take a look at your links as well.
One of very few rational essays about this topic.
I am happy to see there are Muslims who are able to consolidate their belief with reality.
We had a Muslim professor telling us that the biggest problem with Muslims is their lack of critical thinking.
With just a bit of critical thinking people could do some basic checks and find that something does not make sense. Muslims would have managed to avoid the rest of the world laughing about their gullibility, believing in just 2 people, Bucaille and Moore, when every other doctor said the opposite.
Instead, I still bump into Muslims who tell me to research the great scientists Bucaille and Moore, who received Nobel prizes and are the highest scientists in the world today. Sad.
Bismillah,
Thank you StopS for your feed back. Indeed lack of critical thinking is a huge problem for us today. Let us pray and do our part for a better tomorrow, for all of us.
So EVERY OTHER DOCTOR said the opposite? You sound like an atheist .You mean these are the only two who hold their view and EVERYBODY has an opposite view ? Get a grip please . What we dont need is deception and this website for me raises many questions as to its authencity .. Currently Zionists are running many fake islamic websites to mislead people. That is why i find your content a bit strange .
I find it a bit strange that you don’t feel that there are Muslims out there like myself who like consistency and honestly? Who like us to be consistent in our approach? That to me seems very dubious and odd. Wallahu ‘Alim.
People it is not us to judge who is a muslim or who is not. Dr. Maurice Bucaille believed the Quran was the word of God and void of any mistakes. I don’t have to admit that I’m a muslim or not and have no one to prove it to. This is how Maurice Bucaille felt. Obviously if you believe in the Quran that is sufficient for you to be a Muslim. And he acted on it too. He wrote in his book ”The Bible, Quran,and Science” and said the Quran had to be divinely conveyed unlike the bible which has many mistakes and was passed down with an oral tradition and written down later and changed. Obviously if he believed the Quran to be the uncorrupted scripture which he deemed to be free from error we can assume that he was among those that believed. End of the story no need to make this issue complex. He was a great muslim and opened the eyes to many people about the truth. Subsequently many people turned to Islam from his lectures and books. Peace be upon all of you.
Dear, respected Sab. Unfortunately allot of people both traditionalist and Quranist would like to believe that Dr. Maurice Bucaille was a Muslim.
Unfortunately this is not the case. For example
“Do not marry unbelieving women until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise.” (Holy Qur’an 2:221)
What would constitute a believer? How would one KNOW that they indeed were giving their daughters to a believer?
Look carefully about Dr. Maurice Bucaille and his very aloof comment above:
“About my faith and belief, GOD KNOWS WHAT IS IN ONE’S HEART. I am convinced that if I identify myself with any creed, people will invariably DUB ME as one belonging to such and such group and feel that whatever I say or do, I do so from only the angle of such and such creed group.”
In fact you have gone against his very wishes.
If we take a look at the meaning of the word ‘dub’.
Dub:
“nickname, call, name, give a name, label, christen, term, tag, entitle, style; describe as, designate, classify, class, categorize, characterize, denominate, nominate.”
Where as the Holy Qur’an says:
“And who is better in speech than one who invites to Allah and does righteousness and says, “Indeed, I AM ONE OF THE MUSLIMS.” (Holy Qur’an 41:33)
“Obviously if he believed the Quran to be the uncorrupted scripture which he deemed to be free from error WE CAN ASSUME that he was among those that believed.”
I have noted as well as those reading. That you did not give the page number and reference to the book you quoted.
Also when you say:
“Subsequently many people turned to Islam from his lectures and books.”
Are you comfortable with people coming into Islam based upon false pretense and based upon their false assumption that someone else was 100% committed and convinced of Islam?
Are you aware of the censorship that some Muslims have regarding Dr. Maurice Bucaille because of his distrust of the hadith literature?
The facts are we have no unequivocal proof that Dr. Maurice Bucaille ever embraced Islam.
As far as your claim that God knows what is in one’s heart. There can be no dispute with this.
Hence at the end of the article I wrote:
“Again Allah (swt) knows best in what state any human being dies in. However, it is dishonest if we as Muslims are not transparent and use ‘bait and switch’ tactics in our conveying the message of Islam to people. That is why I am no longer apart of such organizations and nor do I have any desire to be a part of any Muslim organization that does not believe in being transparent, that uses bait and switch tactics to lure people into becoming Muslims. Its simply dishonest.
With Allah (swt) is the final argument.”
}”People it is not us to judge who is a muslim or who is not.”
If a claim is made, we should be able to verify this. This is not judging but checking.
}”Dr. Maurice Bucaille believed the Quran was the word of God and void of any mistakes.”
How did you verify this? How can you know for sure what he “believed”?
}”I don’t have to admit that I’m a muslim or not and have no one to prove it to. This is how Maurice Bucaille felt.”
Maybe it is because you ARE a Muslim. Dr. Bucaille was not. He is buried in a Catholic cemetery in France, under a Christian cross.
}”Obviously if you believe in the Quran that is sufficient for you to be a Muslim. And he acted on it too. He wrote in his book ”The Bible, Quran,and Science” and said the Quran had to be divinely conveyed unlike the bible which has many mistakes and was passed down with an oral tradition and written down later and changed.”
What you have is a suspicion. Is your conclusion the only possible one?
No!
Dr. Bucaille was a liar. He was corrupt. He deceived Muslims because he did not care about Muslims, Islam or the Koran.
I have checked his claims he made in his book. I have checked his essays. I have checked what he said regarding Muslims and the Koran. He lied.
But because you like what the lies say you prefer believing the lies instead of checking.
Just like Dr. Moore, al-Zindani was sponsored by Osama bin Laden and found corrupt non-Muslim academics and paid them a lot of money to say nice things about the Koran. This has been documented again and again – but Muslims like you don’t like this and reject it. You are afraid of the truth.
Basing a conclusion on a lie only because you are dishonest and too lazy to check anything is hardly reliable and makes you look like a gullible fool.
Dear respected StopS,
I appreciate your comments, and I would like to ask all of us not to allow any of this to get personal. We are all learning and exchanging information.
“If a claim is made, we should be able to verify this. This is not judging but checking.”
Agreed.
In fact as Sab says in the first comment on this article the following:
“End of the story no need to make this issue complex.”
Agreed. So let us hear from Dr. Maurice Bucaille himself.
26-30 seconds is what Sab is going to have accept.
The man ask him point blank ‘Are you or have you become a Muslim’.
If you have gone out of your way to produce a publication backed by very powerful sponsors, it is a wonder why one would be shy enough to simply say, ‘Yes, I have become or I am contemplating becoming a Muslim.’
He is already putting himself out there in the academic world. He was and still is the subject of ridicule.
In fact Stops, if you listen to Dr. Bucaille himself in the video link above,
That is you listen to him, not me, not Sab, not this or that daw’ah organization please note again at the end of the clip 3:07-3:08 where the good Dr. says,
“I don’t feel its necessary for me to become a MUSLIM to worship God.”
Also 3:38-3:45 when talking about his co-workers he says,
“There are certainty been a few cases where THEY HAVE CONVERTED and that’s fine; and if I am ever so motivated, I WOULD DO THE SAME but I’ve been……..”
However, I do have a question for you StopS since this web site is all about verification of information.
You have stated:
“Maybe it is because you ARE a Muslim. Dr. Bucaille was not. He is buried in a Catholic cemetery in France, under a Christian cross.”
Do you have any links, sources, and/or pictures etc to confirm this?
Thank you for your comments.
}”I would like to ask all of us not to allow any of this to get personal”
I understand your concern and apologise if I went too far. I just feel that I can be polite and still call a spade a spade.
No, I do not have a photo 🙂
I have extensively researched Bucaille and his claims and have discovered that there is a break, where all information on the family simply vanishes. My personal explanation is that he received threats from the enraged Christian community and the family was relocated with a new name. I have no other explanation for the lack of any information.
I did come across several interviews, one with his family where they reference his grave. A manager at Pak books clearly states that
“Dr.Bucaille’s study of scientific information in scriptures gave him high regard for Qur’an and recognition of contradictions in Christian scriptures. Yet he remained a Christian, but deeply respectful of Islam.”
“Dr.Bucaille’s study of scientific information in scriptures gave him high regard for Qur’an and recognition of contradictions in Christian scriptures. Yet he remained a Christian.”
Dr. W.F. Campbell. The Qur’an and the Bible in the light of history and science.
Campbell says:
“The Muslim man whom I met in Tunisia in 1977, and who introduced me to Bucaille’s book, told me that in 1976 Bucaille came and gave a lecture in Sousse, Tunisia. After the lecture my friend went up and asked him whether he had become a Muslim. Dr. Bucaille answered, “No.”
“At a public lecture in Fez Morocco in either 1981 or 1983, a friend of mine asked during the question period whether Dr. Bucaille had become a Muslim. Dr. Bucaille said, “No”.
In a speech he says: “man created by God may well have evolved with regard to hisform.” He does not use Allah, as a Muslim would.
So in my eyes there are more indications that he remained a Christian than that he converted to Islam.
Now I wait and see if sab can come up with facts instead of beliefs.
BTW, the video shows Dr. Moore.
Dear respected StopS
Thank you once again for your comment.
You have said:
“Now I wait and see if sab can come up with facts instead of beliefs.
BTW, the video shows Dr. Moore.”
It seems that sab wants so desperately for Dr. Maurice Bucaille to be a Muslim, even though the man himself has never come out and claimed to have been a Muslim.
I also appreciate your correction concerning the video. It was late in the night/early morning when I was responding to the comment and thus that went right passed me.
I dunno why I thought that was Dr Bucaille but yes indeed it was is Dr. Moore.
Yet the interesting thing about that video is is I feel as if Dr Moore was in some ways reflecting the same attitude that Dr. Bucaille has towards Islam.
I believe that both men were at best believing Christians and yet at the same time, they espoused a transcendentalism or perennialist philosophy.
“O Allah! Creator of the heavens and the earth! Knower of all that is hidden and open! it is Thou that wilt judge between Thy Servants in those matters about which they have differed.”
Az-Zumar 39 Verse 46
Dear Sir PrimaQuran (peace and blessings be upon you),
Don’t be the one to label people non-believers or not. I don’t know if you are here to bash Islam or if you are here to make the Quran look unauthentic. If you are not then please don’t belittle the greatness and degrees of textual meanings and configuration without embracing the scope and expanse of the scripture as a whole and the situation that people are in. I hope this is not the intention of you. I am merely asking people not to accuse great people who inspire others towards the truth that they lacked faith or didn’t believe in this deen.
Unlike most others I write to you with evidence. You can’t take one verse and look to point out that it fails to explain what a believer is. The Quran says you can’t take one part of the book and disregard the rest. The basis of belief in Islam is to believe in the prophets, the angels, the revelations, the day of judgement, that God is one and all the way down to the prophet Mohammed.. Essentially if you believe in the Quran you are a muslim (traditionalist or not whatever sect or non sect you belong to), cover to cover. That in their will explain what true guidance is.
Maurice Bucaille was an academic scholar. And he did not want to be judged by merely saying he was a muslim, but rather produce proof in that the Quran was free of error and thus divinely inspired. Where is the proof? In the book he wrote called ”The Bible, the Quran, And Science”. The servant’s deeds is in his work and faith. Did he work towards proving the Quran was within the scientific fold? Yes. Did he believe the Quran must have been inspired from God to Mohammed? Yes. Did he admit this? YES! Why else would he write books to detail why the Quran stands apart free from error and human thought.
On proof that others have failed to quote as you say from people before me and you asking for proof where he states that the Quran is preserved free from error and inspired here it is Sir:
”The bible, the Quran and Science” page 248:
”This comparison highlights the striking difference between the writings of this period which are riddled with scientifically inaccurate statements, and the Quran, the book of written revelation, THAT IS FREE FROM ERRORS OF THIS KIND”
Same book page 252:
”The Quranic revelation has a history which is fundamentally different from the other two (new and old testament). It spanned a period of some twenty years and as soon as it was transmitted to Muhammad by Archangel Gabriel, believers learnt it by heart….Since then we know the text has been scrupulously preserved. It does not give rise to any problems of authenticity.”
Same book page 253:
…”it is inconceivable that many of the statements in the Quran which are connected with science could have been the work of a man. It is, moreover perfectly legitimate not only to regard the Quran as EXPRESSION OF REVELATION, BUT TO AWARD IT THE VERY SPECIAL PLACE ON ACCOUNT OF THE GUARANTEE OF AUTHENTICITY….”
In Islam there is many ways to approach giving dawah (or information knowledge) about Islam. Please read this verse:
“Invite (all) to the Way of your Lord (Cherisher and Sustainer) with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for your Lord knows best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.” (Quran 16:125)
By you pointing out to a statement doesn’t deny him of his belief or his manner of expounding the Quran in light of modern science from a medical-scientific point of view. That was his specialty and in that perspective he observed what was authentic and what was not. The Quran according to his writings and his findings was the only book that had to be inspired from God thus free from error and authentic.
You questioned am I comfortable with people explaining something based on someone that may not have been 100% sure or committed to Islam? Depends what they are teaching? The oneness of God? That Jesus was not God? Just because someone is convinced of Islam doesn’t mean their sermons or information or explanations they give are correct. Not even the Scholars agree on everything. It is the bible that led many people to Islam albeit containing dubious information some true some not true! But I know you are referring to Dr. Maurice in this case. In this case to Maurice Bucaille? A 100% to the affirmative! Why? Because he never doubted or gave doubt to the Quran or Mohammed as a prophet. His works only bolsters or gives proof that the Quran is the word of God. Hence the word Aya means ”proof”. And our religion calls for proof and is not based on mere faith. He did give proof and his proof was based on his scientific research and Quranic exegesis relating to his field and beyond. May God grant you peace and mercy.
}”Maurice Bucaille was an academic scholar”
Why do you think this?
I can prove, and indeed I have many times, that he is a liar.
You only bring his claims where he says what he believes.
You don’t bring a single fact.
Sab, you wrote:
” I don’t know if you are here to bash Islam or if you are here to make the Quran look unauthentic. If you are not then please don’t belittle the greatness and degrees of textual meanings and configuration without embracing the scope and expanse of the scripture as a whole and the situation that people are in. I hope this is not the intention of you.”
These kind of remarks are certainly not welcomed here on my site. You many not like the information that is presented, and you will most certainly be given a platform to share your views and ideals, as has been the case.
However, I think you can do better than ad hominem attacks etc.
I am very appreciative of the three quotes that you have given.
I have double checked them and they all check out as appearing in the book. Thank you!
Sab you wrote above:
”The bible, the Quran and Science” page 248:
”This comparison highlights the striking difference between the writings of this period which are riddled with scientifically inaccurate statements, and the Quran, the book of written revelation, THAT IS FREE FROM ERRORS OF THIS KIND”
My response:
This statement has to be understood in the over all context of his section on the hadith literature. In other words he was contrasting the Qur’an with hadith literature. He found the hadith literature to have questionable content of a scientific nature; where as in his personal studies he found that the Qur’an was wide in its scale of interpretation to allow scientific meanings to be read into the text. It is also interesting to note that he felt that the Qur’an did not contain ‘errors of this kind’; in other words did he feel that the Qur’an did contain errors of another kind?
Same book page 252:
”The Quranic REVELATION has a history which is fundamentally different FROM THE OTHER TWO (new and old testament). It spanned a period of some twenty years and as soon as it was transmitted to Muhammad by Archangel Gabriel, believers learnt it by heart….Since then we know the text has been scrupulously preserved. It does not give rise to any problems of AUTHENTICITY.”
My response:
Did you notice how Dr. Maurice Bucaille was still calling the ‘old and new testament’ revelation? He just asserted that the Qur’an has a better claim of preservation than the other two revelations.
Same book page 253:
…”it is inconceivable that many of the statements in the Quran which are connected with science could have been the work of a man. It is, moreover perfectly legitimate not only to regard the Quran as EXPRESSION OF REVELATION, BUT TO AWARD IT THE VERY SPECIAL PLACE ON ACCOUNT OF THE GUARANTEE OF AUTHENTICITY….”
So the Qur’an deserves a special place as revelation on account of two points according to Dr. Bucaille.
1) It’s preservation is better attested than the Old or New Testament.
2) He feels that the Qur’an has statements that can lend themselves to a scientific expression in exegesis, or tafsir, and that there are none which would clash with science if given the proper exegesis or tafsir.
However, as I mentioned to STopS above, you need to come face to face with the following reality from the lips of Dr. Maurice Bucaille himself.
26-30 seconds is what your going to have accept. This is after his book and after his writings. So if you are using his book as a defense it crumbles in light of what Dr. Maurice Bucaille himself said.
The man ask him point blank ‘Are you or have you become a Muslim?’.
If you have gone out of your way to produce a publication backed by very powerful sponsors, it is a wonder why one would be shy enough to simply say, ‘Yes, I have become or I am contemplating becoming a Muslim.’
He is already putting himself out there in the academic world. He was and still is the subject of ridicule.
In fact Sab, if you listen to Dr. Bucaille himself in the video link above,
That is you listen to him, not me, yourself, or StopS, not this or that daw’ah organization.
Please note again at the end of the clip 3:07-3:08 where the good Dr. says,
“I don’t feel its necessary for me to become a MUSLIM to worship God.”
Also 3:38-3:45 when talking about his co-workers he says,
“There are certainty been a few cases where THEY HAVE CONVERTED and that’s fine; and if I am ever so motivated, I WOULD DO THE SAME but I’ve been……..”
The best I could give Dr. Maurice BUcaille is that he was some sort of advocate of Perennial philosophy which is not unheard of.
The man did not embrace Islam and did not feel the need to become a Muslim in his own words.
For those who do not know, Perennial Philosophy is defined as:
“Perennialism, is a perspective within the philosophy of religion which views each of the world’s religious traditions as sharing a single, universal truth on which the foundation of all religious knowledge and doctrine has grown.”
This certainly seems to be why he can make such comments about the Holy Qur’an and at the same time not feel it necessary to embrace Islam.
I know this may be difficult for you and many others to accept Sab. Especially in the light of what our daw’ah organizations among others would have us believe.
Yet, the you have it straight from the man himself.
Hahaha! Let me begin by saying your lies about the video and attributing them to Dr. Maurice Bucaille is a really far fetched fabricated one and one grand false one. What you did reminds me of the fabricated hadith and the false attribution to the prophet. And now your doing the same thing to Dr. Bucaille. Because the man talking on their is NOT Dr. Maurice Bucaille as you claim but Keith Moore. Get your information straight and the right person talking next time you put on a video. This sort of thing should not be accepted. I am right, you are wrong! Your tricks of the trade are not working. Maybe you can fool someone else but didn’t work with me. Where did you learn to falsely attribute people’s speeches? You really messed up. I rest my case with you!
}”I rest my case with you!”
But you have not made one. At all. You are pointing at a minor mistake and think that you have made a point. You have not.
But look, this going nowhere. If you want to believe that a paid actor, who is saying “A”, is correct and that all embryologists on this planet today as well as all current textbooks say “B” are wrong, then nothing will convince you. You want to believe lies and deceit and are not interested in the truth or reality or facts.
So believe what you want – just don’t expect anyone else to do the same.
Sab,
I believe that you are done here. I also believe that your agenda is quite transparent for all to see. You have not interacted with any of the comments from StopS.
You also start by being respectful in your comments and than descend into the kind of antics we can see above.
The commentator by the name of ‘StopS’ had pointed out to me above that I had made a mistake in my reference.
“Now I wait and see if sab can come up with facts instead of beliefs.
BTW, the video shows Dr. Moore.”
Even the link itself it says ‘Dr Keith Moore’ and that was an over sight on my behalf. It has also been included in my section on ‘Corrections, Emendations and Retractions’ which can be seen here: https://primaquran.wordpress.com/corrections-emendations-retractions/
Nonetheless the interesting thing that “sab” or anyone is going to have to contend with concerning Dr. Maurice Bucaille is that Dr. Keith Moore pretty much echo’s the sentiment for both of them.
What I have said above I will put here again because it is information that “Sab” has not interacted with.
“The best I could give Dr. Maurice BUcaille is that he was some sort of advocate of Perennial philosophy which is not unheard of.
The man did not embrace Islam and did not feel the need to become a Muslim in his own words.
For those who do not know, Perennial Philosophy is defined as:
“Perennialism, is a perspective within the philosophy of religion which views each of the world’s religious traditions as sharing a single, universal truth on which the foundation of all religious knowledge and doctrine has grown.”
This certainly seems to be why he can make such comments about the Holy Qur’an and at the same time not feel it necessary to embrace Islam.
I know this may be difficult for you and many others to accept Sab. Especially in the light of what our daw’ah organizations among others would have us believe.”
This is exactly the attitude of Dr. Keith Moore and in the end even though it is NOT Dr. Maurice Bucaille in the video we can see that both men echoing similar sentiment.
The things that Sab has failed to address are the following.
1) A single unequivocal statement where Dr. Maurice Bucaille has ever said, “I am a Muslim” or “I have embraced Islam” .
We simply do not have it.
2) The reason why Dr. Maurice Bucaille would feel reluctant or shy enough to come out and make that proclamation in light of a book that already made him the subject of ridicule in academic circles. In seems rather odd one would basically make the claims that he did, and not decide to embrace Islam; unless his position was that as we have seen espoused by Dr. Keith Moore, and this seems more likely
These two points coupled with the attitude given by “Sab” is enough to show the lack of sincerity to me in engaging with this subject responsibly.
Who cares if they converted to Islam or not. The fact that scientific facts are in the Quran and backed up by science in the last 100-200 years is proof enough.
Eddie I would be interested to see you interact with the subsequent articles that ask that very question.
Does the Qur’an contain information of a miraculous scientific nature. Thank you.
Curses of Allah be upon you,if you are a non muslim or MUNAFIQUE trying to discredit Islam by posing as Muslim. I would like to point out that you cannot be a partial Muslim,or believe in some parts of the Quran and differ with others. Islam is a package deal,either all in or completely out.
Actually such comments make me wonder if you are a MUNAFIQUE because this is the kind of rhetoric a Non-Muslim would use to make Islam sound spiteful, malevolent, malicious, hate-filled and devoid of beauty, wisdom, reason, compassion, and justice. Also, I would not ask for Allah (swt) to curse you but I would ask that Allah (swt) would open your heart and guide you. I do knot what kind of Islam you are upon (IF) you are upon it at all. The Islam that I believe in (not just parts) says:
“O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful.” (Holy Qur’an 49:12)
So maybe you have had some notion that you held about Dr. Keith Moore and Dr. Maurice Bucaille become challenged. Instead of becoming over come with emotion, chief of which is rage why not calm down and compose yourself. So you can either engage in the material in a way that is composed, respectful or meaningful or this may not be the last for you to comment at all.
May Allah (swt) replace your anxiety with calm, may Allah(swt) replace your hate with compassion.
By the way ……
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}”The fact that scientific facts are in the Quran and backed up by science”
Really? That is a fact?
How come no scientist today agrees with you?
How come no scientist has ever mentioned this?
How come you can’t demonstrate this or provide evidence?
How come you are too lazy to check and find all these claims have been debunked, refuted and blown out of the water?
Well said
Islam is not up for sale
We need to stop all the stupidity …its pathetic…Islam doesn’t need it.
well, here is my experience.
i came to islam, alhamdulillah, listening to how islam gave women their rights, principals based on Quran and sunnah etc etc and when i got married into orthodox islam of the scholars so then i was suffering religious abuse, so when i went to the religious scholar asking “why the discrepancy between what i knew from dawah and my actual experience?” they were highly amused at me and said “rights? oh yes, sure, you get to be housed, clothed and fed and not to be bashed, but thats it.” or muttered “it is unfortunate that you find this frustrating” . So many things that dawah people say “thats not islam” i had find out the hard way by orthadox scholars is very much in orthodox islam. After all that i still believe in the quranic principals i learned from dawah. Some will call that Fantasy Islam. Please any dawah people don’t say lies or wishful thinking just to trick people into islam. when we go in we find we are all alone and then stuck in a limbo world.
I am sorry you have had this experience, however, your a very strong believer and insh”Allah I will be starting a facebook group soon, Allah-willing you and whomever may wish to participate in that if you wish. Ramadan Mubarak to you noble sister. As salamu ‘alikum
Brother. I read one of your answers about Keith L Moore and Maurice. What you said is mostly correct. But I strongly differ to you on many things. Let me identify myself. I am a student of knowledge and also involved in comparative religion. What you said about Science and Quran is wrong. You said that we must not rely too much on such and such. And we must not present the non Muslim statements.
It is in Holy Quran that we will expose to you signs with the passage of time. So science is a very strong point to tackle the modern people and increasing atheism. Second, presenting to people sayings from the non Muslims is also a great booster in dawah activities. Irrespective of whether they accepted Islam later or not. Furthermore, these are not the only things that we can use in comparative religion.
I also read a few lines of you here and there. You talked about Sufism. Brother, don’t talk about something you have no knowledge about. Remain silent when you don’t know. It is better this way. And try to attain more knowledge. May Allah guide you further. Ameen.
Bismillah ir rahman ir raheem,
I deeply appreciate your perspective. You may wish to approach the not-yet-Muslims in such a way. However, I do not find it fruitful.
“I also read a few lines of you here and there. You talked about Sufism. Brother, don’t talk about something you have no knowledge about.”
Perhaps if you could share any specific points that you felt were not true or did not give the subject justice?
“May Allah guide you further. Ameen.”
May Allah guide us all further, Ameen wa ‘ajmaeen.
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Hi,
I know this is an old blog page but I would like to add my comments here in hope of response from the OP/author.
In the video about Keith Moore, he said he doesn’t believe he needs to convert to Islam to worship God. In that sense, I do agree that he is not a Muslim, and he never proclaimed to be a Muslim.
However, he did say that he believes there is 1 God and Muhammad (SAW) is a Prophet and Jesus (PBUH) is a Prophet sent by him. In my humble opinion, that is the equivalent of proclaiming the shahadah without wanting to take upon the title of a Muslim.
I agree that both these people didn’t accept Islam the traditional way, and for to promote the authenticity of their work, they didn’t want to be seen to side with religion because in those days religion was starting to be shunned and a more secular approach was pushed, especially in the scientific community.
Finally, I wont claim to know what is in each of their hearts. I don’t promote them as Muslim or agree with the titles that lie about them because ultimately the lies will hurt the Muslims.
I am simply writing this to ask about your opinion on it.
Kind regards
shammakh2 thank you for your contributions to this article.
Just to add to my previous comment.
https://www.arabnews.com/news/443500
The link above claims that he converted to Islam, and I have heard several Christian writers claiming that he converted aswell.
While because of my experience with these sources, I don’t personally trust the media or word of mouth as evidence (and so I don’t agree with nor deny their claim), it may be that the people making those claims are doing it on the basis of these reports.