Crucifixion or Impaled? Understanding Qur’an 4:157

“And for their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him nor did they impale (ṣalabūhu) him; (وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَٰكِنْ شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ)but it was made to appear to them so. Those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no certain knowledge of it, but only follow conjecture. For certainly, they did not kill him.” (Qur’an 4:157)

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Allah-willing I will be going through my articles and replacing the standard translation into English with what you see above.

Before I get into this let me first say that there seems to be three ways of understanding the above text among Muslims today.

1)The majority view is to affirm the Christian ecclesiastical view of the patibulum –(The crossbar of a cross used for crucifixion). However, at the same time deny that instead of Jesus being on the cross, Allah (swt) made someone look like Jesus and to put this person on the cross. The ecclesiastical Christian view is not challenged. Some how they imagine Romans involved in the text.

2) The second view is to affirm the Christian ecclesiastical view of the patibulum. However, this view first espoused by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of the Ahmadiyyah movement has that Jesus was on the cross but swooned and was taken down alive where he migrated to Qadian India and died. Some how they imagine the Romans involved in the text.

This view is later adopted by Muslim apologist Shaykh Ahmed Deedat -raheemullah, and Toronto based apologist Shabir Ally. However, it should be noted that neither Deedat or Ally believes that Jesus migrated to India and died.

3) The third view is also to affirm the Christian ecclesiastical view of the patibulum. However, this view also accepts the entire position of the Christian ecclesiastical view; even stating Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected! The only difference with the Christians is on the theological implications. This view is espoused by Zaytuna College alumni Dr. Ali Ataie-whom is an assistant professor with interfaith activities. * note * I am of the understanding that Dr. Ali Ataie has changed his views on this and I will update accordingly inshAllah.

Most likely Dr. Ali Ataie is attempting to reconcile clear passages of the Qur’an that Jesus died all the while trying to reconcile the Christian ecclesiastical tradition along with the various hadith that mention the second coming of Christ Jesus.

Dr. Ali Ataie position has the influence of Todd Lawson written all over it. Speaking of Todd Lawson

Todd Lawson is the author of the book: The Crucifixion and the Qur’an: A Study in the History of Muslim Thought.

Now without getting too much into this particular book, I think it suffices to bring to the readers’ attention two glaring problems with Todd Lawson’s book.

Todd Lawson himself does not even attempt to define the word ‘Crucifixion’. It certainly seems rather odd having the very word in the title of one’s book and not attempt to challenge the ecclesiastical handed-down version of the Christian tradition and yet in the same vain challenge the “ecclesiastical” handed-down version of the Islamic tradition.

Secondly, Todd Lawson dissects many words in Qur’an 4:157 yet, curiously he is quite dismissive of the treatment of the word صلب

There is scant discussion on the various verb/noun forms ‘sulb‘. Todd Lawson came with a mission. Super impose the word Cross and Crucifixion upon صلب

On page 31 of his book he states:

“It occurs in the Qur’an eight times (4:157; 12:41; 7:124; 20:71; 26:49; 5:33; 86:7;4:23). Six of these are as a verb with the accepted meaning of ‘to crucify’. The others are as a noun meaning ‘back’ or ‘loins’ (86:7; 4:23). Aside from its use in 4:157, the five remaining positive uses refer to (respectively): the fate of one of Joseph’s fellow prisoners (12:41); Pharaoh’s threat to his magicians (7:124; 20:71; 26:49); and a prescription of punishment for those who fight
against God and his messenger (5:33)
. There is no reason to doubt that the verb indicates the punishment of crucifixion, as it is USUALLY UNDERSTOOD.”

Now there is a great reason to doubt why anyone would superimpose the ecclesiastical Christian Cross as Todd Lawson tries to do. The very paragraph itself gives you reason enough.

Alas, Todd Lawson also some how imagines Romans involved in the text of Qur’an 4:157

Another interesting take away from Dr. Ali Ataie’s position is that Zaytuna champions the idea of following strictly a legal school and considers that we must champion traditional scholarship without question.

Yet, Dr. Ali Ataie’s position if honoured by Zaytuna is certainly a sign that a whole string of titans in the Sunni Islamic tradition on exegesis made a gargantuan error. Something interesting to ponder.

Every translation I have encountered in English has Qur’an 4:157 as “they didn’t crucify him.”

I also have no good reason to believe that Romans are involved in the text of Qur’an 4:157

There are a few reasons why I can no longer accept the standard understanding and translation of this text as such.

BEFORE GOING FURTHER: WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CRUCIFIXION AND IMPAILMENT?

Two be clear: Both punishments are suspension punishments. That is to say something being hoisted or lifted up. The differences between Impailment and Crucifixion are as follows:

A) Impailment is a punishment where a pike/spike or other sharpened object is shoved through the loins/lubmus region of the body. The spine is used to hoist the individual. Depending upon the technique used it is designed to be a quick death struggle after. After the hapless victim cannot use their feet or hands to keep the impale device from reaching vital organs due to exhaustion. The impale device pierces vital organs and the victim dies an excruciating death.

B) Crucifixion is a punishment where an individual is put on a patibulum which is than affixed to a crux (a pole or beam). There is no nothing driven through the spine and the spinal column is relatively left intact. This suspension punishment focuses on putting nails through the hands and feet and meant to be a prolonged death struggle. Death is usually from asphyxiations. No vital organs are pierced. In fact people could survive being crucified for days. Hence, Christians make a huge ordeal about Jesus being scourged before Crucifixion. Even there is a controversy surrounding the spear to Jesus side, which you see in the painting representation here.

Anything that tries to obfuscate the two is not helpful. Usually those who want to assert the cross are the same ones who superimpose it on Qur’an 4:157. Because if both mean impailment than just translate Qur’an 4:157 as impale than (wink, wink, nudge,nudge).

I am not convinced that ṣād-lām-bā’: used twice as salabu, four times as yusallabu and twice as sul’b means “cross” or “double cross”-like structure.

A “double-cross” or “cross”-like structure would include any of the following in the picture below. There is simply not a shred of evidence from the Qur’an to support this.

What is the best approach to interpreting the Qur’an?

If we are going to have a consistent method of interpretation the best place to start would be Tafsir al-Quran bi-l-Quran. (Interpreting the Qur’an by the Qur’an). That is to say to do a tight analysis of all text of a given word and it’s various forms and usage.

Ṣād-lām-bā’: ṣalb and ṣallab refer to a bone from the upper body to the waist [i.e., the backbone]

Let us look at all the instances of this noun form in the Qur’an.

The artist impression.

Often in many countries where a person is robbed the police will ask the victim to give a description of the assailant. The police will than have an artist give the best description or approximation of what that individual may look like.

Now we are going to do a little exercise. Imagine you are going to do an artist impression of the passages you read in the text. What would that artist impression look like?

“And also prohibited are the wives of your sons who are from your loins (aslabikum)(وَحَلَائِلُ أَبْنَائِكُمُ الَّذِينَ مِنْ أَصْلَابِكُمْ), And that you take in marriage two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.” (Qur’an 4:23)

The use of the noun form sulb is very interesting here. It indicates the loins. Which also gives a very strong proof that these people were indeed not ‘crucified‘ and that the text translated in 4:157 ‘they didn’t crucify him‘ is sorely mistaken.

Let’s use logic and deduction. Given that the noun form of صلب in the text above indicates the loins. Would it make more sense that:

A) ṣalabūhu used in Qur’an 4:157 is a punishment that relates to this region of the body?

or

B) a punishment that relates to the hands and feet being nailed on a patibulum?

Emerging from the lumbus (l-ṣul’bi) (يَخْرُجُ مِنْ بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَائِبِ) ” (Qur’an 86:7)

Again the noun form sulb being used to talk about the lubmus system and nothing to do with hands and or feet!

Perhaps Todd Lawson or those who advocate that Jesus died on an ecclesiastical cross could tell us which makes more sense the word صلب is used in connection to impailment or in connection to putting nails through a person’s hands and feet and suspending them on a patibulum?

In Oman the Arabic speaking people have various interesting phrases none of which has to do with hands or feet being pierced.

The previous two verses do not support the صلب being translated as cross or crucify.

“Correct your spine.” Is a a common phrase in Oman.

Let us look at all the instances of this verb form in the Qur’an.

HOW DOES ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE UNDERSTAND صلب IN THE FOLLOWING VERSE?

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or impaled(yuṣallabū) (أَنْ يُقَتَّلُوا أَوْ يُصَلَّبُوا أَوْ تُقَطَّعَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُمْ مِنْ خِلَافٍ) …cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.” (Qur’an 5:33)

Now this verse has not been said to be allegorical but clear. It relates to the punishment known as al-Hiraba (or armed robbery, highway robbery). The punishment is also used for “causing corruption in the land.” Now if you asked your average Muslim (even learned) when it says, “killed” what tool or instrument is used to kill?

Likewise when Muslim jurist saw the word “(yuṣallabū)” do you think they said, “Golly gee whiskers I wonder what this means?”

Are we really to believe that Muslim jurist that had ordered this Hadd punishment to be carried made crosses and double cross like structures when dealing with these criminals? Are we to believe that Muslims jurist ordered that the criminal carry a patibulum, suspended said person and put nails in their hands and feet?

In fact, name for us any school of jurisprudence: Maliki, Shafi’i, Hanbali, Zahiri, Hanafi, Zaydi, 12er Shi’i or Ibadi that does this?

Why was Todd Lawson so incredibly lazy in his research in this regards?

The fact that Islamic schools of jurisprudence across the Sunni, Ibadi and Shi’i tradition do not do this a deathblow to any notion that صلب means cross or crucify.

Contemporary example: May 30, 2009 (just 14 years ago)

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/05/30/saudi.arabia.execution/index.html

Notice:

“Even though the word “crucifixion” is used to describe the pubic display, the act has no connection to Christianity and the crucifixion of Jesus. The bodies are not displayed on crosses.

“Chirouf said those crucified are beheaded first and then their heads are sewn back on their bodies. Then, the corpse is mounted on a pole or a tree.”

Prima-Qur’an comments: The above is important because it shows clearly that there is obfuscation over the word “crucifixion”.

Keep in mind what you see here is the Shafi’i or the Hanbali school’s interpretation of Qur’an 5:33.

In fact a little inconvenient nugget in Todd Lawsons Book states:

“A cursory look at the history of crucifixion shows that the procedure was adopted for two distinct, if sometimes combined reasons: (1) as a means of execution; (2) to provide a forceful deterrent to future crime. In the second case, the criminal was killed by a separate means before their corpse was publicly displayed on a pike or cross. These grisly details are in line with the Shafi’i ruling for one convicted for highway robbery and murder, in which this second procedure was to be followed. The sequence of events, execution then crucifixion, may be reflected in the unchanging order of the two distinct ideals of killing and crucifixion in every tafsir consulted for this study. It is also possible that this reflects nothing more than the Qur’anic word order, in which case hyperbaton (taqdim) could be expected to have been invoked by Muslim rhetoricians; but which fact alone might lead the student of the history of religion to investigate seventh-century Arab methods of punishment.”

Source: (Todd Lawson The Crucifixion and the Qur’an page 31)

A few points to note here:

a) Todd admits the people were killed and then displayed on a pike or a “cross”. So this is certainly not a crucifixion-at least not as Christians would envision for Jesus.

b)Todd does not give us any proof that in Shafi’ jurisprudence people are displayed on the patibulum or on a cross.

c) Todd is content to allow the student to “investigate seventh-century Arab methods of punishment

One final point:

Often criminals lead a life of crime. Meaning they do lesser crimes that eventually lead to bigger crimes. So let us say there is a case in which a thief had been caught and according to the jurist their hand is cut off. The thief is caught again and a foot is cut off. Then said individual commits the crime of al-Hiraba. So than how do they (yuṣallabū) the individual?

PHAROAH EGYPT & صلب (SULB)

Now we will examine three text of the verb form that relate to the same incident.

“I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides; then I will surely impale(la-uṣallibannakum) (لَأُقَطِّعَنَّ أَيْدِيَكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ مِنْ خِلَافٍ ثُمَّ لَأُصَلِّبَنَّكُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ) you all.”(Qur’an 7:124)

It is obvious and plain as day that a person who has their hand cut off is not going to be “crucified” -especially not in the way the ecclesiastical sense that Christians imagine. If the hands were cut off then definitely it was not a T or ✞ shaped cross, it had to be impalement.

“[Pharaoh] said, “You believed Moses before I gave you permission. Indeed, he is your leader who has taught you magic, but you are going to know. I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will surely impale (wala-uṣallibannakum) (لَأُقَطِّعَنَّ أَيْدِيَكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ مِنْ خِلَافٍ وَلَأُصَلِّبَنَّكُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ) you all.” (Qur’an 26:49)

Again as above a person who has their hand cut off on opposite is certainly not ‘crucified‘ -especially not in the ecclesiastical sense that Christians would image. If the hands were cut off then definitely it was not a T or ✞ shaped cross, it had to be impalement.

“[Pharaoh] said, “You believed him before I gave you permission. Indeed, he is your leader who has taught you magic. So I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will impale you (wala-uṣallibannakum) (وَلَأُصَلِّبَنَّكُمْ فِي جُذُوعِ النَّخْلِ) IN/ON THE TRUNKS OF PALM TREES, and you will surely know which of us is more severe in [giving] punishment and more enduring.” (Qur’an 20:71)

Again, a person is who has their hand cut off is not going to be “crucified” -especially not in the ecclesiastical sense that Christians have imagined.

Very interesting in the above text that these people will be impaled IN the trunks of Palm Trees. If you look at the various translations of the Qur’an they translate the word fi’ as ‘on‘ which is a bit curious.

The translators: Muhammad Ahmed & Samira translate 20:71 as:

“He said: “You believed to him before that I permit for you, that he truly (is) your biggest/greatest (E) who taught/instructed you the magic/sorcery, so I will cut off/sever (E) your hands and your feet from opposites (sides), and I will crucify you (E) in the palm trees’ trunks/stems, and you will know (E) which of us (is) stronger (in) torture and more lasting .”

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/20/71/#:~:text=Verily%2C%20he%20is%20your%20master,at%20torment%20and%20more%20lasting.

So let us do back to our artist impression. We draw a picture or someone with their hands and feet cut off on opposite ends and impaled in the trunk of palm trees. How on earth anyone gets a patibulum with nails in the hands and feet from the above text is just pure desperation.

By the way (Qur’an 20:71) & (Qur’an 26:49) & (Qur’an 7:124) is a reference to the same incident. So what Qur’an 20:71 states is applicable to the other two text.

So when Pharaoh says: “And you will surely know which of us is more severe in [giving] punishment and more enduring,” you know that he had something truly diabolical in mind.

Look what the world History Encyclopedia says:

“Ancient Egypt utilized a process known as impaling. The body was literally impaled upon a pointed stake and death occurred quite rapidly as the major organs were pierced. The hieroglyph character for denoting this was a picture of it, with the phrase, “to give on the wood.” The practice is mentioned during the reigns of Sobekhotep II, Akenaten, Seti, and Ramesses IX. Merneptah (1213-1203 BCE) “caused people to be set upon a stake” south of Memphis.” Source: https://www.worldhistory.org/crucifixion/

The American schools of oriental research state:

The death penalty was carried out by impalement. The body was put on the pointed top of a wooden stake and the victim’s weight drew the body down the pole. We have no representations of this procedure, but there is a hieroglyph depicting a body atop a stake after the phrase “to give on the wood.” The execution seems to have been in public; one text even says besides a temple.” Source: The American schools of oriental research https://www.asor.org/anetoday/2016/01/crime-and-punishment-in-pharaonic-egypt/

So when we see this expression of Pharaoh in the Qur’an:

I will impale you (wala-uṣallibannakum) (وَلَأُصَلِّبَنَّكُمْ فِي جُذُوعِ النَّخْلِ) IN/ON THE TRUNKS OF PALM TREES.”

And we see the expressions: “To give on the wood

By the way (Qur’an 20:71) & (Qur’an 26:49) & (Qur’an 7:124) above cannot refer to a crucifixion or to a cross.

Why? Look at the picture below and you do the physics.

Every once in awhile a Christian gets the idea that he wants to experience the suffering that Jesus is alleged to have endured on the so called double-cross. So this person will lay down half naked on a beam of wood and gets someone to nail the palms of his hands (or the wrist) and his feet to the beam. When the beam of wood is stood up on its end, the persons’ body weight immediately tears his hands and the feet loose and they slide off the beam in degradation and humiliation.


This happened all to often, and people began to really wonder if the ecclesiastical images of Jesus inspired by painters, having him on the double cross were really true.


Thus, in all effort to make sense of the ecclesiastical images, made popular by paintings, the all too familiar “nailed to the double cross” method, along came the idea that the hands were not only nailed to the cross, but ropes were used to bind the forearms to the horizontal beam. This satisfied the world that such a method would prevent a body from falling off the cross and everyone breathed a sigh of relief.


This brings us to the next text:
“Oh two companions of prison, as for one of you, he will give drink to his master of wine; but as for the other, he will be impaled (fayuṣ’labu) (وَأَمَّا الْآخَرُ فَيُصْلَبُ فَتَأْكُلُ الطَّيْرُ مِنْ رَأْسِهِ), and the birds will eat from his head. The matter has been decreed about which you both inquire.” (Qur’an 12:41)
This is what the Torah says about the incident:

Source: https://www.sefaria.org/Genesis.40.19?lang=bi&aliyot=0

“When the chief baker saw that Joseph had given a favorable interpretation, he said to Joseph, “I too had a dream: On my head were three baskets of bread. In the top basket were all kinds of baked goods for Pharaoh, but the birds were eating them out of the basket on my head.” “This is what it means,” Joseph said. “The three baskets are three days. Within three days Pharaoh will lift off your head and impale your body on a pole. And the birds will eat away your flesh.”

(Genesis 40:16-19) New International Version

Compare/Contrast this with:

When the chief baker saw that the interpretation was good, he said unto Joseph, I also was in my dream, and, behold, I had three white baskets on my head: And in the uppermost basket there was of all manner of bake meats for Pharaoh; and the birds did eat them out of the basket upon my head. And Joseph answered and said, This is the interpretation thereof: The three baskets are three days: Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thy head from off thee, and shall hang thee on a tree; and the birds shall eat thy flesh from off thee.”

(Genesis 40:16-19) King James Version

Since this text is dealing with prophet Joseph (as) and he was under the Pharaoh of Egypt of his time and this is even prior to the time of Moses (as).

So based upon what we have seen concerning صلب as impailment in the above text (Qur’an 20:71) & (Qur’an 26:49) & (Qur’an 7:124) there is no good reason to believe that (Qur’an 12:41) is a reference to the patibulum, a cross or crucifixion.

So having gone through all the verses in the Qur’an that only leaves us with Qur’an 4:157.

What about Qur’an 4:157?

And for their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him nor did they impale (ṣalabūhu) him; (وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَٰكِنْ شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ)but it was made to appear to them so. Those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no certain knowledge of it, but only follow conjecture. For certainly, they did not kill him.” (Qur’an 4:157)

  1. Notice that the context Qur’an 4:157 is speaking about Jews. There is no mention of Romans in the text. You may start at Qur’an 4:154 for context.
  2. There is a double denial. They did not kill him nor did they (ṣalabūhu) him.
  3. Why the seemingly redundant text? Is it not sufficient to say “And they did not kill him?” Surely that covers everything?
  4. Why would Allah (swt) deny that Jews “Crucified” Jesus? Especially if Allah (swt) is aware of Jewish laws?
  5. Jews do not crucify anyone nor do they put people on crosses.
  6. Jews do however impale people. So translating (ṣalabūhu) as impale makes complete sense.
  7. The phrase “but it was made to appear to them” does not indicate that this was something Allah (swt) did.

Now what happens is for some reason Muslims look at Qur’an 4:157 and they see Romans! The whole context of the text is that Allah (swt) is talking about Jews.

If Allah (swt) wanted to say Romans he certainly he could have. Yet, Qur’an 4:157 mentions nothing about the Romans.

“The Romans have been defeated.” (Qur’an 30:20)

So where than do Muslims gets Romans or Crucifixion or Cross in Qur’an 4:157 ?? ?

Now if you want to wade knee deep in shoddy scholarship and try to reconcile Islam with received Christian ecclesiastical history and ignore the context of the Qur’an and interpret passages in a vacuum go for it. Like Todd Lawson, you can superimpose the Romans on the text. You can even imagine that Qur’an 4:157 is speaking about some historical event in relation to Christian Good Friday if you want. (Crucifixion) ?

Objection: But This means the Qur’an denies the Crucifixion and that is historical fact!

Response: The Qur’an is absolutely unaware of an event called “The Crucifixion” either in support of it or in negation.

Muslims do not need to fear Bart Erhman or anyone else who claims that this is a historical fact that Jesus of Nazareth died on a patibulum, cross like structure. We can deal with their claims as well. https://primaquran.com/2023/04/03/the-question-of-the-historical-crucifixion-and-the-martyrdom-of-jesus/

However, such a discussion is absolutely irrelevant to the text of the Qur’an.

Objection: But doesn’t’ the Arabic word salib mean cross? Don’t we see that in the Arabic language today?

Answer: First one would do well to bare in mind that ‘The Cross’ was not a de facto symbol of Christianity, really only becoming venerated in the 4th century C.E. Secondly, words acquire meaning or encapsulate new expressions that they did not originally intend or convey.

For example: I see hot molten rock spewing forth from the Earth in Hawaii. I turn to my friend and say, “Wow cool!” Now the word cool does not necessarily connoate the temperature of something.

The word fantastic etymologically has the same root as fantasy. Fantastic initially meant something conceivable by the imagination. Now the word fantastic basically means wonderful.

Conclusion:

There is simply not a shred of evidence that the Qur’an mentions a cross or anything at all about crucifixion. There is no mention about a patibulum or nails, nothing, nada, zilch, zip.

Henceforth from today, I will be translating the Qur’an 4:157 as saying, “They didn’t impale him” -keeping consistent with his various usages and forms throughout the Qur’an.

“And when they hear what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of what they have recognized of the truth. They say, “Our Lord, we have believed, so register us among the witnesses.” (Qur’an 5:83)

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15 responses to “Crucifixion or Impaled? Understanding Qur’an 4:157

  1. JazaKallah Khayran for the read!

    Even with all this i find it REALLY interesting that people like mustafa khattab, saheeh international and mufti taqi usmani, still translate 20:71 as “Crucifixion”, i find it bizzare that one gets crucified on “trunks of palm trees”, i guess they have to translate all the uses of salabu as “crucify” so as to keep consistent with 4:157… And Allah knows best.

    May Allah bless you.

    • May Allah bless us all. It is interesting and not only that their translation in fact ALL translations in English give leverage to the Christian perspective. Because it is a tacit admission that Jesus was crucified on a cross. The Qur’an comes to negate this.

    • Also keep in mind brother..

      Qur’an 5:33 on its own:

      إِنَّمَا جَزَاءُ الَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الأَرْضِ فَسَادًا أَنْ يُقَتَّلُوا أَوْ يُصَلَّبُوا أَوْ تُقَطَّعَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُمْ مِنْ خِلافٍ أَوْ يُنْفَوْا مِنَ الأَرْضِ ذَلِكَ لَهُمْ خِزْيٌ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَلَهُمْ فِي الآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ

      yuṣallabū- Do we as Muslims crucify people? Has the description of this punishment been written down in our books of legal code?

      Who ever put two cross beams together and displayed these people on a cross? I can’t discover a single instance of it.

      Wallahu ‘Alim wa bisawab

      • I don’t think you’ll ever find an instance of a crucifixion being an islamic punishment, they translated it to stay consistent with 4:157 but they don’t know the large amount of connotations that come with continuously translating salabu as “crucify”…

        May Allah guide us all.

  2. Mubariz

    Salam. My Question is that what is your take thn about How , when nd where does the Jesus AS died? Nd what happened to Mary ?

    • Salam! May Allah (swt) bless you on this Eid day! First of all I just want to say that your question is genius, simply because it is a two-part question that also ask about the fate of Mary (May Allah’s peace be upon her). This is an excellent question because you never really see Muslims concerned with the fate of Mary (as). This is because this does not effect our belief, our aqidah, creed, or our emaan (faith). If it was the case Allah (swt) would have mentioned this to us.

      This is the same with Christ Jesus. Now, we know there is no verse in the Qur’an that says, “No one killed Jesus ever.” Likewise there is absolutely NO specific verse in the Qur’an that mentioned the way that Jesus died.

      I mention in an article here a possible scenario on how Jesus may have died fighting with fellow righteous Jewish Muslims against the Roman imperium.

      What happened to Jesus and how did he die?

  3. ibn

    salam brother, how would you respond to those who say that palm trees are too great of girth to impale with?

    • salaam ,

      First let it be known that when it comes to Qur’an 4:157 a few things are clear.

      1) It is not addressing Romans and Romans are no where in the text.
      2) Allah (swt) is addressing claims made by certain group of Jews.
      That is not something that Dr. Ali Ataie. Dr. Khalil Andani, Dr. Louay Fatoohi, Dr. Shabir Ally, the Qadiani, Lahori, Ahmadi none of them can refute those points. That is crystal clear.

      Now, as mentioned in the article

      “By the way (Qur’an 20:71) & (Qur’an 26:49) & (Qur’an 7:124) is a reference to the same incident. So what Qur’an 20:71 states is applicable to the other two text.

      Now does Dr. Todd Lawson, Dr. Ali Ataie. Dr. Khalil Andani, Dr. Louay Fatoohi, Dr. Shabir Ally, the Qadiani, Lahori, Ahmadi or any of them believe that Jesus (as) had this feet and hands cut off on opposite ends?

      What is stated is the following:

      “impale you (wala-uṣallibannakum) (وَلَأُصَلِّبَنَّكُمْ فِي جُذُوعِ النَّخْلِ) IN/ON THE TRUNKS OF PALM TREES.”

      Allah (swt) is saying that Pharaoh said he would impale them on/in the trunk of palm trees.
      So to the detractors they can say what they want. But what is clear is that certainly was NOT a crucifixion as Dr. Todd Lawson, Dr. Ali Ataie. Dr. Khalil Andani, Dr. Louay Fatoohi, Dr. Shabir Ally, the Qadiani, Lahori, Ahmadi

      I hope that helps. Free Palestine and may Allah (swt) assist our brothers and sisters. Amin

  4. anonymous one

    salam brother, how would you respond to those who say that palm trees are too great of girth to impale with?

    • salam,

      Dear ibn or anonymous one in this particular post.

      salaam ,

      First let it be known that when it comes to Qur’an 4:157 a few things are clear.

      1) It is not addressing Romans and Romans are no where in the text.
      2) Allah (swt) is addressing claims made by certain group of Jews.
      That is not something that Dr. Ali Ataie. Dr. Khalil Andani, Dr. Louay Fatoohi, Dr. Shabir Ally, the Qadiani, Lahori, Ahmadi none of them can refute those points. That is crystal clear.

      Now, as mentioned in the article

      “By the way (Qur’an 20:71) & (Qur’an 26:49) & (Qur’an 7:124) is a reference to the same incident. So what Qur’an 20:71 states is applicable to the other two text.

      Now does Dr. Todd Lawson, Dr. Ali Ataie. Dr. Khalil Andani, Dr. Louay Fatoohi, Dr. Shabir Ally, the Qadiani, Lahori, Ahmadi or any of them believe that Jesus (as) had this feet and hands cut off on opposite ends?

      What is stated is the following:

      “impale you (wala-uṣallibannakum) (وَلَأُصَلِّبَنَّكُمْ فِي جُذُوعِ النَّخْلِ) IN/ON THE TRUNKS OF PALM TREES.”

      Allah (swt) is saying that Pharaoh said he would impale them on/in the trunk of palm trees.
      So to the detractors they can say what they want. But what is clear is that certainly was NOT a crucifixion as Dr. Todd Lawson, Dr. Ali Ataie. Dr. Khalil Andani, Dr. Louay Fatoohi, Dr. Shabir Ally, the Qadiani, Lahori, Ahmadi

      I hope that helps. Free Palestine and may Allah (swt) assist our brothers and sisters. Amin

  5. Marsha

    Would you be interested in having a discussion on the crucifixion sometime in the future? I’d like to pick your brain on the position of the Ibadi school

    • Hi Martha not sure what discussion would be had as the Qur’an neither affirms or denies an event that you call the ‘crucifixion’. If you would be interested in discussing Jewish methods of execution and Allah’s response to that as per Qur’an 4:157 that would be another matter altogether.

      I hope I do not come across as curt. It’s just the matter seems rather clear.

  6. Azhar

    If the Jews condemning him did not believe Isa to be the Messiah and Messenger from Allah then why do they address him as such?

    • Just like many people call other people by names and titles that they themselves do not believe in. It is mockery.

      Much like an atheist: “I am ready to believe God turn this tomato into an avocado!” They do not believe that God actually exist. It is mockery.

      “Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe.’ Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him.”
      (Mark 15:32)

      “And they kept coming up to him and saying, “Hail, king of the Jews! ” and were slapping his face.” (John 19:3)

      Like the above text. When people’s hearts are evil and corrupt nothing is beyond the pale.

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