They pleaded, “O Zul-Qarnain! Surely Gog and Magog are spreading corruption throughout the land. Should we pay you tribute, provided that you build a wall between us and them?” (Qur’an 18:94)
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He said, “This is a mercy from my Lord. And when the Promise of my Lord comes, He will crumble it to dust. And the Promise of my Lord is true.” (Qur’an 18:98)
“And We shall leave them, on that Day, to surge against one another like waves. And the trumpet shall be blown, and We shall gather them together.” (Qur’an 18:99)
First I will share a clip in which the Mufti of Oman, the Islamic Scholar, the Sword on the Neck of the Munafiq, His Imminence, Shaykh Ahmed Al Khalili (h) touches upon two topics:
The emergence of Gog and Magog and the so called second coming of Jesus (as). For those of you conversant in Arabic you may follow along. Otherwise a translation in English is provided below: insh’Allah.
First question about Juj & Majuj
Grand Mufti was asked there are some signs in the Qur’an about Juj & Majuj can you share with us your view on this issue? Have they already come or are they yet to come latter.
Grand Mufti replies: “This depends upon the research of the scholars. As there are many scholars who have agreed that they have already come forth. And this is not far away from the reality because it is possible that between their coming and the day of judgement there is much time in between these events.” “Time is different than how we measure the time. It is like the time on the day of judgement would be like 50,00 years of our time.”
Dr. Saif AlHadi had asked what is meant in the Qur’an:
“Until he reached ˹a pass˺ between two mountains. He found in front of them a people who could hardly understand ˹his˺ language.” (Qur’an 18:93) and than the following verse:
“They pleaded, “O Zul-Qarnain! Surely Gog and Magog are spreading corruption throughout the land. Should we pay you tribute, provided that you build a wall between us and them?” (Qur’an 18:94)
So the Dr is asking how do we join these verses? Because if you take a Qur’an only approach without interpretative measures it doesn’t make sense. At first they find a people who scarcely understand any word and than suddenly the next verse these people are able to communicate their issue with him?
So to this the Grand Mufti replies: There are two possibilities. 1) “That the majority of them do not understand anything but this would not mean all of them do not understand. So it is possible they have learned among them who understand but not the masses of them. “
2) “The other possibility is the use of another language common between the two.”
Now the question comes to the: The Coming of Jesus.
Grand Mufti replies: “There is a difference of opinion among the scholars. This revolves around the (Qur’an 3:55): I will give you death and I will raise you up to me and how one understands it. As well as: Rather, Allah raised him up to Himself. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. (Qur’an 4:158) as well as the various narrations on the matter. Yet these hadith for us are not tawatur. We also have to take into account that the Prophet is the last prophet and no prophet is coming after him. The Messenger of Allah and seal of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing. (Qur’an 33:40) So as we understand this Jesus (as) will not come. The narrations are not mutawatir and thus we cannot take on this matter.
Prima-Qur’an comments:
Thus, dear readers when one reads the Qur’an you can see that Juj (Gog) & Majuj (Magog)were real people, real nations or tribes that would accost and harass some people. Zul-Qarnain was asked to erect a barrier to keep those people out. They were not supra natural peoples.
wanufikha fi l-suri (AND) will be blown the Trumpet. As the Shaykh explained he is of the mind that this event (The coming of Gog and Magog) has already happened. Now in English it is easy to get caught up in the flow of the language. Yet, the WA (And) is not something that indicates immediately after. We saw this in my article here:
In the above article the respected Shaykh understood the WA(And) in Qur’an 3:55 as a vast period of time. Allowing him to believe that a lapse of time of more than 2000 years have passed.
The Shaykh also mentioned that it is possible we are in those end times now. However, we should understand that how Allah (swt) views and measures time is quite different than our vantage point.
“And they ask you to hasten on the punishment, and Allah will by no means fail in His promise, and surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you count.” (Qur’an 22:47)
Next another verse not brought up in the discussion above but the other place I am aware of in the Qur’an speaking of Gog and Magog is the following:
“Until ˹after˺ Gog and Magog have broken loose ˹from the barrier˺, swarming down from every hill, ushering in the True Promise. Then—behold!—the disbelievers will stare ˹in horror, crying,˺ “Oh, woe to us! We have truly been heedless of this. In fact, we have been wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 21:96-97)
The above verse simply reinforces the point made here:
“And We shall leave them, on that Day, to surge against one another like waves. And the trumpet shall be blown, and We shall gather them together.” (Qur’an 18:99)
Which again is not on the day of judgement but a time before it.
Conclusion: In the Ibadi school. Juj(Gog) and Majuj (Magog) have already come. Jesus (as) has died and he will not come back.
In the end we defer our matter to the masters of the Arabic language. May Allah (swt) guide us to what is beloved to Allah (swt).
If you would like perhaps you would be interested to read the following:
Prima Quran 
Salaam akhi,
You said: “Because if you take a Qur’an only approach without interpretative measures it doesn’t make sense.”
And yet, you relied on the Qur’an ALONE to defend your position and didn’t even quote a single hadeeth! There are numerous (non Mutawatir) reports about the so-called second coming of Jesus (a.s) and the Ahlul Sunnah will simply brush the Ibadi school off as being heretical!
Don’t get me wrong, if I was to follow any school of thought it would be the Ibadi school. But, I’m Quran-alone! Meaning, I take the SOUL authority, legislation, and guidance from the Book of Allah. Anything outside of the Qur’an (hadith, sunnah, madhhab, etc) are simply historical or news worthy information – nothing more!
Anyways, keep up the great work akhi and may Allah bless you.
Abdullah
Salaam to those upon right guidance.
“Because if you take a Qur’an only approach without INTERPRETATIVE measures it doesn’t make sense.”
No need to quote hadith but the statement still stands and nothing you said contradicts this. You would not come away with such an understanding without INTERPRETATIVE measures.
“I take the SOUL authority, legislation, and guidance from the Book of Allah.”
I think you mean SOLE. If only it was just that simple right?
As I have mentioned here: https://primaquran.com/answering-quran-only/ A whole list of articles in which this heretical movement that is Anti-Qur’an is refuted.
Look, Abdullah I think many of you are trying do not get me wrong. I think for the most part most of you have sincere intentions. I am also not sure which of the myriad sects of this heretical movement you belong to or if you are a solo act (I have encountered them as well).
Yet, the myriad of sects and splinter groups that have come from this approach is telling.
The fact that many of those who take such an approach are atrocious in their Arabic is telling.
When you have time you may wish to research about Montanism in early Christianity and the Charismatic movement.
After all who needs any divine authoritative scripture (an intermediary) when everyone can just communicate with God directly? Or so went the belief.
May Allah (swt) guide you in your journey and guide all to what is beloved to Allah (swt).
And the trumpet will be blown, whereupon whosoever is in the heavens and on the earth will swoon, save those whom God wills. Then it will be blown again, and, behold, they will be standing, beholding.
– Quran 39:68
I see you’ve touched briefly upon the trumpet but the issue with your claim is that when the Trumpet is blown, everyone will fall down taken to mean be knocked unconscious or die. Then the second Trump would bring them back.
So how could the first trumpet have happened? Because you’re claiming that Gog and Magog were released based off this statement.
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/39/68/default.htm
Your question was initially on Gog and Magog which was answered Al hamdulillah.
But some times I have to wonder what you are really on about or your intentions.
For example your last paragraph is puzzling.
“Because you’re claiming that Gog and Magog were released based off this statement.
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/39/68/default.htm”
Where did you glean that from the post?
Also, what actually is the point that you feel you are trying to make?
My sincere advise to you is to read the text carefully.
My intentions are for curiosity only. I don’t appreciate being castigated with such suspicions for absolutely no reason. If I didn’t respect or find your articles interesting, I wouldn’t waste my time reading them and commenting on them.
I’m kindly requesting if you can elaborate more on the first trumpet? What most Muslims understand is that when the first trumpet happens, everybody will be knocked unconscious or die then the second trumpet will gather them up for the day of judgement.
Regarding verse 39:68, when the trumpet is blown, all between the heavens and the Earth will fall dead (فَصَعِقَ) except those Allah wills to spare. In your article, you said the first trumpet was already blown, so did God only allow a few select of people to fall dead while sparing the rest of humanity to live then?
Jazaka Allahu Khairan
“My intentions are for curiosity only. I don’t appreciate being castigated with such suspicions for absolutely no reason. If I didn’t respect or find your articles interesting, I wouldn’t waste my time reading them and commenting on them.”
I said what I said about intentions because you make assertions about things that you think were said or stated by me that were not.
For example you do it again in this very comment.
“you said the first trumpet was already blown.”
No where in the article did I state this either. So it leaves me puzzled.
Also,
“If I didn’t respect or find your articles interesting, I wouldn’t waste my time reading them and commenting on them.”
I believe the response is investing your time not wasting your time. Wasting time is haram activity and something frivolous.
I do not engage in comments with people to irk them or upset them, in this case you. It is not my intention at all.
I am asking you again to carefully read the article.
The shyookh explained very well their understanding of the verses in questions.
“Because you’re claiming that Gog and Magog were released based off this statement.
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/39/68/default.htm”
Where did you glean that from the post?
You did not answer this.
Now you are making another claim with no evidence.
“In your article, you said the first trumpet was already blown.”
So because I respect my time I will not be engaging with you further.
Perhaps English may not be your first language and perhaps I am just misunderstanding you altogether.
However, it is twice now that you have made assertions about the entry without evidence.
May Allah (swt) guide us to what is beloved to Allah (swt).
You stated in your article:
“ Thus, dear readers when one reads the Qur’an you can see that Juj (Gog) & Majuj (Magog)were real people, real nations or tribes that would accost and harass some people. Zul-Qarnain was asked to erect a barrier to keep those people out. They were not supra natural peoples.
wanufikha fi l-suri (AND) will be blown the Trumpet. As the Shaykh explained he is of the mind that this event has already happened. Now in English it is easy to get caught up in the flow of the language. Yet, the WA (And) is not something that indicates immediately after. We saw this in my article here:”
Why does the Shaykh believe that this has already happened?
Quran 18:99 says that Gog and Magog and people will surge against one another until the trumpet is blown. As according to your statements above, you believe the first trumpet is already blown. But according to 39:68, the first time it is blown, everyone will die except who Allah spares.
If, as according to the shaykh you’ve referenced, the first trumpet has already been blown then were we or most of humanity spared from dying? I want to know how Ibadis reconcile this. And what will happen the second time the trumpet is blown for those that were spared?
Hope that clarifies my questions.
Jazaka Allahu Khairan
Jazak’Allahu khairan , May Allah (swt) bless you Jacob. Now I see my fault! I have not worded this correctly.
“wanufikha fi l-suri (AND) will be blown the Trumpet. As the Shaykh explained JHEIS OF THE MIND THA THIS EVENT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED Now in English it is easy to get caught up in the flow of the language. Yet, the WA (And) is not something that indicates immediately after. We saw this in my article here.”
The event that has being referenced here is the coming of Gog and Magog (already) not the blowing of any trumpet.
So to put it in sequence.
A (Coming of Gog and Magog) B (Blowing of First Trumpet) and C (Blowing of Second Trumpet).
Shaykh nor our school believe any trump has blown yet.
“On that Day, We will let them surge ˹like waves˺ over one another. Later, the Trumpet will be blown, and We will gather all ˹people˺ together.”
The On that Day (is a reference to the Gog and Magog)
Later, the Trumpet will be blown. As mentioned:
“Yet, the WA (And) is not something that indicates immediately after. We saw this in my article here:”
I think it is possible that some may think that gog and magog arrive during the blowing of the first trumpet or they may come away with the impression that the blowing of the trumpet comes immediately after the arrival of gog and magog.
Thus, the English translations can betray the Arabic and I do realize that the way I have worded can give people that impression.
I have to learn that what flows for me in English may not flow for another.
Jazak’Allahu khairan Jacob and forgive my misigivings.
1) Insh’Allah I will remind myself to clarify that in the article.
2) I will put a graph
A) Gog and Magog (which Shaykh and others believe have already come)
B) The Blowing of the first Trumpet (yet to happen)
C) The Blowing of the second Trumpet (yet to happen).
I hope that this clarifies. insh’Allah.
That clarifies my questions, Jazaka Allahu Khairan.
Jazaka Allahu Khairan for your patience with me..