“He only orders you to evil and immorality and to say about Allah what you do not know. And when it is said to them, “Follow what Allah has revealed,” they say, “Rather, we will follow that which we found our fathers doing.” Even though their fathers understood nothing, nor were they guided?” (Qur’an 2:169-170)
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When it comes to the issue of the Qur’an being created and the topic of the attributes of Allah (swt), we could put this into four views. This brief entry will show where these four denominations have overlapping agreement and/or disagreement.
A. There are four denominations in this subject.
- Ibadi.
- Muutazila.
- Ahl Sunnah.
- Jahmia.
Here are the points.
- Ibadi & Mutazila say: The attributes of Allah (swt) are nothing other than Allah (swt)
- Ahl Sunnah & Jahmia say: The attributes of Allah (swt) are other things with/than Allah (swt).
- Ahl Sunnah & Jahmia say: Qur’an is one of the attributes of Allah (swt).
- Ibadi & Mutzalia say: Qur’an is not an attribute of Allah (swt).
- Jahmia say: Attributes of Allah are created by Allah (swt).
- Ahl Sunnah say: All attributes of Allah aren’t created by Allah (swt).
We (The Ibadi) say there is evidence to prove that the Qur’an is created by Allah (swt).
For the Jahmia, the proof that the Qur’an is created by Allah (swt) is that the Qur’an is one of the attributes of Allah (swt). For them, all the attributes of Allah (swt) are created by Allah (swt).
Ibadi, Mutazalia & Ahl Sunnah all say anyone who believes that the attributes of Allah is created are kaafir. (disbelievers of shirk)
We, the Ibadi, say: The Qur’an is a word of Allah and created by Allah, but we don’t say the Qur’an is an attribute of Allah (swt).
“Our belief is upon Haqq and the belief of the Jahmia is upon kufr and batil.” -Shaykh Hamed Hafidh
We want to thank our teacher Shaykh Hamed Hafidh As Sawafi (hafidullah) for this explanation.
For further reading on this subject:
https://primaquran.com/2022/10/04/lets-attack-hamza-yusuf-in-ramadan-the-quran-is-created/
May Allah Guide the Ummah.
May Allah Forgive the Ummah.
Prima Quran 
what evidence would you use from the Quran or authentic Sunnah if someone were to ask for the evidence that whoever believes that the attributes of Allah are created
Thank you for your question ibnadam23. Perhaps you did not complete your thought?
“what evidence would you use from the Quran or authentic Sunnah if someone were to ask for the evidence that whoever believes that the attributes of Allah are created.”
It seems in complete. Perhaps you meant to ask:
“What evidence would you use from the Qur’an or authentic Sunnah if someone were to ask for the evidence that whoever believes that the attributes of Allah are created is a disbeliever?”
Would we be correct in our attempt at infering knowledge from incomplete data?
If the answer is no. Kindly give us your question.
If the answer is yes. If the answer is yes it would be very important to try and understand the position of the one you are engaging with.
1) What would they understand by an attribute?
2) If Allah’s attributes are created are they a set number?
3) If Allah’s attributes are created are they continuous or finite?
4) Does Allah need these attributes or are they in need of Allah?
Some times there is some preliminary homework that needs to be done. This way it helps those engaged in a discussion to understand one another.
Words alone without context are often a vacuum.
Example , the english word ‘hand’ . If we just responded to your question with the word ‘hand’ it may leave you bewildered. A sinlge word without context.
However, if one were to say, ‘hand me the apple’, in this context the word ‘hand’ plays the part of a verb as it describes an action—the act of giving or passing the apple.
yes i meant to ask the evidence he is a disbeliever, apologies for the error
Al hamdulillah, no worries. The evidence is the following: There is nothing like Him, for He is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing. (Qur’an 42:11) & Allah is Free of need, the Praiseworthy. (Qur’an 31:26)