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Do only Ibadis go to heaven?

“Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is guided” (Qur’an 16:125)

“Do they feel secure from Allah’s plan? None can feel secure from Allah’s plan except the people who are losers.” (Qur’an 7:99)

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Our colleague recalls the first time they encountered this sentiment from an individual from another school. “Look! This Ibadi scholar says that Non Ibadis are going to hell!” They claimed they had the Arabic text, the book, the quote of the author, the whole package.

It turns out that the statement was that Non Ibadis are guilty of kufr ni’ama (ungrateful of blessings). However, this same nomenclature is used by Ibadis, who commits major sins as well.


So we find these claims incredulous and extremely insincere. Contrary to popular belief, takfir is not a known way with us (those who follow the Ibadi school).

Anyone who says the shahadatayn is a Muslim by default. Just to be clear, this means the Ahmadis, Sunnis (including the Salafis, Sufis, Deobandis, Dhahiri, Maliki, Shafi’i, Hanbali and Hanafi schools), The Shi’i (including the Ismaili, Zaydi, Ithnā ʿAshariyyah). This is the default position with us. All of them are afforded what is afforded a Muslim brother or sister.

That is because it is common knowledge that when you meet any individual you deal with them on the basis of their dhahir (their apparent). People’s beliefs are not known unless they divulge them. When they do, one of their rights upon us is that we correct their errors.

It is important to know that we are not Ibadis who follow Islam. Rather, we are Muslims who follow the Ibadi school. If we put our sectarian label first, how can our commitment ever be to the truth?

In fact, in our experience, we have known of Ithnā ʿAshariyyah Shi’i, who left the beliefs of his sect behind but retrained the fiqh (jurisprudence of their prayer). Possibly he did not see the need to reinvent the wheel. The same can be said of a Nizari Ismaili who kept the label because he wanted the social contacts that came with the affiliation, but he no longer believed in their creed. Or the Sunni who doesn’t believe the Qur’an is uncreated or that he will see Allah in the hereafter.

So who knows best the inward state and condition of any individual at any given time?

So all we have are labels and dealing with the dhahir (the apparent).

Who is truer than Allah (swt) who says:

“You cannot guide whoever you please: it is God who guides whom He will. He best knows those who would accept guidance.” (Qur’an 28:56)

The simple fact that all schools of traditional Islam (even pseudo-Islamic groups) have exclusivist statements.

We have said it before, and we will say it again: Every Muslim is some other Muslims non-Muslim.

It was narrated from ‘Awf bin Malik that the Messenger of Allah(saw) said:

“The Jews split into seventy-one sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy in Hell. The Christians split into seventy-two sects, seventy-one of which will be in Hell and one in Paradise. I swear by the One Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, my nation will split into seventy-three sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy-two in Hell.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allah, who are they?” He said: “The main body.”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:3992)

In a recent irony, someone from another school brought up that view among some Ibadi scholars that followers of other schools are in kufr ni’ama (ungrateful of blessings). Then this same person claimed that his school was saved, and he quoted the hadith of the 73 groups.

Imagine the irony of the thinking involved here: “Did you know that your school has exclusivist views and, therefore, it is flawed. However, my school has exclusivist views and it is correct.”

Like, really, what was the thought process here? “Look! Your school has scholars who have this view and others who do not. Yet, come and join my school, where there is unanimity that everyone else but us goes to hell. That is because they are the people of innovation.”

We advised concerning dealing with people like him the following:

“Ask him about the 73 sects hadith, are we Ibadi that magical saved group or are we on Pan Am Flight 72 with an express ticket to hell?”

“If we are on Pan Am Flight 72, ask him how long we are in hell for? If he says, 17 minutes, 100 years, a billion, reply: “See you in heaven big guy!” If he says “forever”, then put your hand on your hip and say it in your best Southern Mississippi accent and say: “Darling, look at you over here kicking up a fuss!”

For those who do not understand our sense of humor, the question is very straightforward.

It is to ask this individual how they understand the ultimate destiny of the other 72 sects — aka Pan Am Flight 72? If the rest of us (Ibadi and others) go to hell, what is the duration?

a) If it is only for a little while, then as per instructions to reply to him: “See you in heaven big guy!”

b) If it is forever well, then our second reply is equally relevant: “Darling, look at you over here kicking up a fuss!” Meaning to say: Then why is it a big deal if we have exclusivist views which you, yourself and your school hold onto?

EXCLUSIVIST VIEWS ARE NOT SOMETHING NOVEL TO THE IBADI SCHOOL.

Recall what what we said above:

The simple fact is that all schools of traditional Islam (even pseudo-Islamic groups) have these types of exclusivist statements.

The Qadiani sect, which is considered pseudo-Islamic due to its belief in another Prophet after Muhammed (saw) has a similar position to some in the Ibadi school on the concept of kufr ni’ama (though they do not use this terminology). Their moto is : Love for All, Hate for None. However, all Muslims who do not accept their views are Kafir.

Source is from their website: (https://www.alislam.org/articles/are-non-ahmadis-muslim-or-non-muslim-ahmadiyya-muslim-perspective/)

12er Shi’i and a very moderate position towards other Muslim sects.

Source: (https://www.al-islam.org/ask/are-the-narrations-authentic-that-talk-of-the-creation-of-73-sects-in-islam-out-of-which-all-but-one-will-be-condemned-to-hellfire-if-so-in-which-place-are-the-shia-and-sunni-in-those-73-sects)

The above stance is very clear who those will be going to heaven. The title Muslim for other sects is futile when it comes to the day of judgment. This, however, is actually a very moderate position.

An example of more extreme 12er Shi’i views:

Source: (https://www.al-islam.org/hayat-al-qulub-vol3-allamah-muhammad-baqir-al-majlisi/part-4-it-mandatory-know-imam-time)

The above belief you will findamong 12er Shi’i and Imami Shi’i in general, that whoever does not recognize the Imam of the time dies the death of a kafir (unbeliever).

This would mean that different Imami Shi’i groups would takfir each other after splits or schisms.

A concerned member of the Ismaili sect sent us the following concerning the refutation of the Nizari Ismaili (he himself) being a Mustaali Ismaili. He wrote to us of his concern that Nizar, in their view, was a shyster and a fraud.

“Hey brother , I’ll send a reply to the first question later on. Concerning the Nizari-Mustaali split and how to know who is the actual Imam. The primary evidence for any Imam is the Nass from the previous Imam, we as Fatimid Ismailis can demonstrate that Imam Mustaali is the true Imam through the following points :

1-His Nass from his father Imam Mustansir as mentioned in our sources you can find it in Al-Sijillat Al-Mustansariya and Uyun Al-Akhbar. Our Nizari friends fail in providing Nizars Nass.

2- The big Dais of Imam Mustansir in Yemen one of them the Sayyida Arwa Alsulaihi who was the Imams Hujjah (a hujjah is someone very close to the Imam and knows his secrets in a nutshell) all recognized Mustaali as Imam even those in Egypt recognized his Imamate.

3- The family of the Fatimids also recognized Mutaalis Imamate including all his brothers and even Nizars close sister witnessed that Nizar was never an Imam.

4- Nizars fishy behavior makes it even more doubtful that his claims in Imamate were Genuine. e.g Al-Maqrizi mentions in his book that when Mustaali became Imam-Khalifa Nizar refused to accept his Imamate and claimed that he has a Nass from his father, he was given time to go and bring his alleged Nass to the Fatimid officials but instead he secretly escaped to Alexandria and caused a civil war.

“IF he was indeed an Imam and has a Nass why didn’t he show it to the Fatimids and their officials? That would be strong evidence for his case, instead he ran away not demonstrating any evidence for his claim. This behavior shows that his claims were not true and he just wanted the power and prestige of being a Caliph for his own good.

We wish the brother would do some introspection. Because, by his own admission, this statement itself is enough to show that not everyone who is a descendant of Ali is an upright individual. 

Among the Zaydi Shi’i we have, for example, the following:

Watch and listen to what he says, citing what came in the book “Al-Ahkam” by Yahya al-Rassi, who brought Zaydism to Yemen. “Islam is not complete except by the guardianship of Ali. The imamate of Ali is one of the pillars of Islam. No one escapes the punishment of the Merciful, nor is the name of faith fulfilled for him, until he believes in the guardianship of Ali with certainty of certainty.”

For us, we do not find this to be a creedal issue or even one of its branches. For Zaydi, this is obviously not the case.

Making Takfir upon other groups or sects is not a known way with us.

Ahl Sunnah Wal Jammah (The People of the Sunnah and the Group). The name itself implies that ‘They’ are the only people following the Sunnah: as if Shi’i or Ibadis do not eat with their right hands, wear beards etc.

Does Imam Malik get hard core on the Ibadis?

What does the text attributed to Imam Malik say?

  1. And DO NOT pray behind the Ibadis-Neither should their dead be prayed over nor should they’re deceased be followed to the burial. Nor, should their sick be visited.
    It is more beloved to me that one should leave the home/city/country where the Ibadis are.
  2. The Ibadis/ Hururis, and all people of desire: I believe they should repent; either they
    repent or they are to be killed.

What is important to note about the above image is that only the green part of the text is attributed to Imam Malik. All the red parts indicate that the rest of the page belongs to Ibn ‘Abd al-Hakam. So, even if not authentically attributed to Malik there were certainly people who held such views and wanted to attribute them to Malik.

The vast majority of their scholars uphold the validity of the hadith of the 73 groups (though they have dissenting views). Those that uphold that hadith believe that every other group (Ibadis, Shi’i, Mu’tazilah etc….are on that Pan Am Flight 72, meaning we are all bound for hellfire.

However, it doesn’t stop there.

And among them are major divisions.

Ahl Sunnah Wal Jammah (The People of the Sunnah and the Group)

Salafi/Athari — very often believe that followers of the other schools of aqidah (creed), Ashari/Maturidi, are going to hell and vice versa. (Though there are dissenting views).

There is the Deobandi and Barelvis split. With many among them considering the other to be outright kafir (and for them that means outside the fold of Islam).

If you think for one moment that those loveable hugable Sufis are all above the board when it comes to politics, mud slinging and even violence. Well, let us hold up a mirror and show you a person who has never been affiliated with a Sufi Tariqa.

Lots of rivalry and fighting (often leading to violence among them.

The “Battle of the Book Seven” (Internal Mevlevi Conflict)
A fascinating example of rivalry within a single order is the controversy over Rumi’s Mathnawī in the 17th century. This dispute shows how doctrinal interpretation could split a community and draw in outside authorities.

The Spark: The renowned Mevlevi shaykh Ismāʿīl Rusūkhī Anqarawī wrote a commentary on what he claimed was the “Book Seven” of Rumi’s Mathnawī. The problem was that the vast majority of Mevlevis believed Rumi’s masterpiece consisted of only six books and considered the seventh text apocryphal.

The Rivalry: This created a bitter internal rift within the Mevlevi order. Anqarawī and his followers were pitted against other Mevlevi shaykhs who saw his work as an illegitimate innovation.

Source: (https://themaydan.com/2020/03/rumis-book-seven-of-the-mathnawi-intra-sufi-debates-in-the-seventeenth-century-ottoman-empire/)

THE HADITH OF THE 73 SECTS ANALYZED & NEUTRALIZED BY THE IBADIS

From what we know (and we admit our collective ignorance of the other schools in this regard), from what we know is that we are the first among the schools of Islam to interpret the hadith of the 73 groups under a lens and either reject it, or interpret it in a more ecumenical fashion.

We are not aware of any school of Islam that has preceded us in this. If you, the reader, find information to the contrary, feel free to correct us.

The above book is: Kitab al Wada’ Al Mukhtasar Fi Usul Al -Fiqh Abu Zakariyah Yahya B. Abil Khayer Al Jannawiny. Commentary by: Shaykh Ibrahim At-Fayyish.

The comment is concerning Muslims being divided into 73 sects. All will be in loss, except one, and they will all claim that their group is the one that is correct.

In the comments under the line: He states: “It is better to bring the sayings or the view of Shamsu-Deen Abu Ya’aqub Yusuf B. Ibrahim al-Warijilani (May Allah have abundant mercy on him) (d. 570 ah)

Shaykh Shamsu-Deen says: “Whoever worshiped Allah, that which came to him from Islam and that one was ‘wara in his din (that means that person was pious). He was not eating haram. This person had ‘wara (self vigilance against the haram). This one does not say, ‘I am right, and he is wrong’ This one will escape and be on the path to safety. This applies to everyone who follows Allah (swt) and the Sunnah of his Prophet (saw) up to what has reached that individual from his madhab (his school) and this one has not said bad things by his tongue to the Muslims. That would be enough for him because this is what has reached him of his religion by his striving and sincere efforts and ability. The group that escapes is the one that follows the Prophet (saw) and his companions (the pious among them).”

When you look at the time in which the venerable Shaykh al-Warijilani (r) lived, his view would be quite progressive by today’s standards.

Next we have this intelligent insight into the hadith by the Ibadi master Shaykh Ali Yahya Muammar (r). This is a very short, concise and insightful read.

We are in agreement with the assessment of this master, Shaykh Ali Yahya Muammar (r)

““The hadith states that each of these sects will claim that it is saved. The claim of every sect that is alone is the saved one is only natural: only a madman would insist on following a sect that will perish. The members of each of the sects have tried hard to prove that they follow the truth and are on the right path, the one followed by the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace and his companions, and that all others have strayed from the way of God, in both doctrine and conduct.”

We would also like to bring your attention to the understanding of the hadith of the 73 groups by Shaykh Hatim Abdis-Salam (May continue to bless him).

The following video is titled: PARADISE IS FOR WHO? (Shaykh Dr. Majid Al Kindi. The general custodian of the Iftaa office in Oman. A very knowledgeable scholar with two PhDs.

The following is a translation of the respected Shaykh

تِلۡكَ ٱلۡجَنَّةُ ٱلَّتِى نُورِثُ مِنۡ عِبَادِنَا مَن كَانَ تَقِيًّا (Qur’an 19:63)

“That is Paradise, which We give as inheritance to those of Our servants who were fearing (of Allah).”

“And not for the one who was an ibadi, nor a hanafi, nor a shafi’, nor a maliki and not for other than them from every group, whether it being from a school of theology or a school of jurisprudence, (but) for the one who was God-fearing (God conscious).”

“That which we have affection for and desire, is that people leave all of these labels and commit to that which Allah the Almighty has labelled us when He said, 

وَجَٰهِدُواْ فِى ٱللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهَادِهِۦۚ هُوَ ٱجۡتَبَىٰكُمۡ وَمَا جَعَلَ عَلَيۡكُمۡ فِى ٱلدِّينِ مِنۡ حَرَجٍۚ مِّلَّةَ أَبِيكُمۡ إِبۡرَٰهِيمَۚ هُوَ سَمَّىٰكُمُ ٱلۡمُسۡلِمِينَ مِن قَبۡلُ وَفِى هَٰذَا لِيَكُونَ ٱلرَّسُولُ شَهِيدًا عَلَيۡكُمۡ وَتَكُونُواْ شُهَدَآءَ عَلَى ٱلنَّاسِۚ فَأَقِيمُواْ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَءَاتُواْ ٱلزَّكَوٰةَ وَٱعۡتَصِمُواْ بِٱللَّهِ هُوَ مَوۡلَىٰكُمْۖ فَنِعۡمَ ٱلۡمَوۡلَىٰ وَنِعۡمَ ٱلنَّصِيرُ (Qur’an 22:78)

“And strive for Allah with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. Allah named you “Muslims” before [in former scriptures] and in this [revelation] that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give zakah and hold fast to Allah . He is your protector; and excellent is the protector, and excellent is the helper.”

This is what we want.

And the Imam (May Allah have mercy on him), when he was asked about the school (ie. al-Ibadiyyah) and its naming, he (May Allah have mercy on him) replied by saying, “We don’t have any school except Islam.”

So, we don’t take the individual’s understanding as Islam or the Shariah of Allah. It is instead ideas that people have come with and call to.”

THERE ARE NO SECTS AT THE GATES OF HELL.

Even though Shaykh Dawud Al BuSinan (h) is of our school, he is giving us a clear and sobering reminder!

So where does your aqidah lead you to? Does it lead you to cause fasad; have pride, disobey Allah; sin more and fear him less? Make light of his promises and punishments and that of his blessed Prophets (upon them all be peace). Does it encourage you to do good and speak good. There is no gate in heaven called: “Ibadiyyah gate.” There is most likely someone who follows our school, and they are the worst sinner than any of the other groups and Allah (swt) knows best!

Shaykh Khalfan ibn Muhammad Al Esry (may Allah have Mercy on him), a prominent Omani scholar, and a member of the state council


SECTARIANISM IS CAUSING DIVISION: OUR MISSION A UNIFIED UMMAH — By Shaykh Khalfan ibn Muhammed Al Esry (May Allah have mercy on him) He is a prominent Omani scholar, and he was a former member of the Omani state council (before he passed away)

IF IBADIS ARE NOT GOING TO CHUCK EVERYONE IN HELL THAN WHY FOLLOW THE SCHOOL?

In an interesting and unfortunate turn of events that once happened in our English WhatsApp group, a brother objected: “Well, if we are not sure if they are all going to hell, then what is the point?” What he means is what is the point of propagating this school of thought?

We feel there is a huge misunderstanding here. How can we be deciders of who goes to heaven or hell when we are not certain about ourselves? How can we be deniers of who goes to paradise when we are not guarantors of paradise ourselves?

In fact, this very much sets us apart from those schools that believe they will all go to heaven (even after a brief sojourn in hell). We have no such position.

For many of us, we follow this school because it is the most sensible and honest about what happened in the past. We discuss it and move on. We are not fiaxted with the past.


We find this school most cohesive and cogent in its theological positions and that gives me peace of mind and peace of heart. We find this school to be a school frozen in time, as if we can see and live the very Islam of the companions. May Allah be pleased with them. We find this school holding fast to the Qur’an and being fervent in calling to the Sunnah of the Blessed Messenger (saw).

Though we have our hardline views, we are also welcoming and willing and ever ready to work with other schools of Islam. We marry Sunni and Shi’i. Our scholars read the works and writings of all other schools of Islam because we recognize and believe what Allah (swt) says:

“He gives wisdom to whom He chooses, and whoever is given wisdom is blessed abundantly. But only insightful people bear this in mind.” (Qur’an 2:269)

Knowledge is not an exclusive to the Ibadi school.


We are probably the only school in Islam in which our scholars have given legal verdicts given the permissibility to pray behind the Imams of other schools. Nor do we issue fatawa saying to kill other Muslims who have different aqidah.

WE HAVE NOT DONE A GOOD JOB OF CLARIFYING THESE POINTS TO PEOPLE OUTSIDE OUR SCHOOL

Observe:

So recently this website received the following comment:

So, we head on over to Shaykh Wikipedia and what do we see? We see impossible feats of mathematics!

Ibadism is currently the second-largest Muslim denomination in Oman with over a third of its population being adherents.”

Ibadis still form the majority of the contemporary Omani population and the royal family of Oman are Ibadi.”

Prima Qur’an has a question for Shaykh Wikipedia. How are we the second-largest denomination and yet still form the majority of the population? Your math is not mathing.

However, it looks like the real source of the misunderstanding with Shaykh Wikipedia was from Ms. Valerie Hoffmans book: Source: The Essentials of Ibadi Islam:-Valerie J. Hoffman.(pg. 30)

“Although one must treat non-Ibadi Muslims with the courtesy that all monotheists deserve, according to classical Ibadi doctrine, neither they nor sinning Ibadis will be allowed into paradise. They are doomed to hellfire.”-Valerie Hoffman

This is extremely reckless and can be the cause of real-life physical attack upon those in our community. For example, it has NEVER been the position of the Ibadi school that sinning Ibadi or sinning non-Ibadi Muslims are doomed to hellfire. The position has ALWAYS been that Ibadi’s who repent are subject to the mercy of Allah. Second, as regards non-Ibadi, at the very least a person needs to be: mukallāf—someone pubescent and sane. Next, the clear evidence has to be presented to the individual, and we take as evidence the following:

“So after the truth, what else can there be, save error? How then are you turned away?” –(Qur’an 10:32). That judgement can only be passed on non-Ibadi on the basis of masail al-din and not masail al-ra’y.

If she bothered to look into the position of the school in regard to the theological position as regards those who Islam may not have reached (isolated islands etc.) she would have appreciated it as much.

Again, personally, we find it a bit of a disrespect. Here you are being welcomed in a country by its people. They open up their libraries and manuscripts to you. The claim is that you are exposing the Western world to Ibadhism. Yet, you leave comments like the above which could have been clarified. It is certainly not helpful. In regard to one passing comment, it is actually dangerous in today’s hyper-sectarian world not to clarify the position of the school or at the very least pass over the matter.

One thing you will get from Prima Qur’an is full disclosure, transparency and the fact that we believe in laying the cards on the table.

THE “HARD LINE POSITION” AMONG IBADI SCHOLARS CONCERNING NON IBADI MUSLIMS.

So remember what we said about the term: “Ahl Sunnah Wal Jammah”. Well, in general we call ourselves as: Ahl al-Haqq wa-l istiqama (The People of Truth and Straightness). So the very name can imply that others are not people of truth or straightness. Just as the term Ahl Sunnah can imply that others are not following the Sunnah.


If you watch this video on YouTube, do take note of the comments below. The updated comments in the black text are provided by our sincere brother. The brother that is doing his level best to provide all of you with unfiltered information. May Allah (swt) reward him for his sincere efforts! We will provide those comments below:

This is an important video by the late Qadi, Shaykh Salim bin Khalfan al Rashidi(May Allah have mercy on him) where he talks about who will go to heaven and refutes the common notion put forth by people that Ibadis believe only they will go to heaven.(May Allah make this video open our hearts and ease us all and make us amongst the people of Jannah, Ameen. * I think that I need to make this clear to not misunderstand the qadi. Basically, for us Ibadis, all those who disagree with us on anything of aqeeda/belief/whatever you call it, is in Bara’ah. Because in Aqeeda there can only be one absolute truth, unlike fiqh issues where khilaf is possible. But does that mean we say they’ll go to hellfire? No (as they may have repented). Go to Jannah? No. Rather, their judgment is up to Allah (swt). And when someone says it’s not only Ibadis that’ll enter Jannah, then that’s true, as the name is not necessary rather the belief is.* This translation was done by the Ahlul Haqq wal Istiqamah English group, link to our discord is below.

Prima Qur’an comments: May Allah (swt) bless this brother.

So, basically, this is the so-called “hardline view.” We have already mentioned that every sect, or school in Islam has exclusivist views. This is nothing novel to the Ibadi school.

So this line of thinking is that Non-Ibadi Muslims are in a state of “Kufr Ni’ama” — recall the perspective of the Qadiani sect above. That they are still Muslims but because they have rejected the truth. Rejecting the truth = being in a state of sin.

  1. The evidence must be presented.

“So after the truth, what else can there be, save error? How then are you turned away?” –(Qur’an 10:32).

So we can see in the first verse the first condition. “How then are you turned away?”

The proof must come to them by proof it can be : from (messengers, scholars, TV, Internet), whichever way by invitation. Even reading this blog.


You have to present the evidence. You cannot be turned away from something not presented to you. We are 100% supportive of this position, not because this is due to our desires, it is because it is self-evident. If one sees the truths and strengths and evidence of this school, acknowledges it and turns away, they are without doubt in ‘kufr ni’ama’ and if they die in that state, then the apparent with us is that they will meet a terrible ending. As do all who reject the truth. However, in the end, ultimately, Allah is the judge.

“And those who argue about God after having answered His call, their argument has no basis whatsoever with their Lord. Anger enfolds them, and a severe punishment awaits them.” (Qur’an 42:16)

2. Being Baligh, Mukallak or Muhallaq!

“And as for the wall, it belonged to two orphan boys in the city, and under the wall was a treasure that belonged to them, and their father had been a righteous man. So your Lord willed that these children should come of age and retrieve their treasure, as a mercy from your Lord. I did not do it ˹all˺ on my own. This is the explanation of what you could not bear patiently.” (Qur’an 18:82)

Test the orphans until they reach a marriageable age. Then, if you feel they are capable of sound judgment, return their wealth to them.” (Qur’an 4:6)

It is clear that for one to be able to be entrusted to receive their property and or wealth, they must be both physically and mentally capable to care for it. If this is for the dunya — which is dust and perishing, how much more for the hereafter which is forever and enduring?

Baligh, Mukallak or Muhallaq, one who has reached puberty and mentally matured. That is when they come under Taklif responsibility. Considering that out of 1.8 billion Muslims with an explosion in youth population, how many countless millions who are not of the Ibadi school and at any given time and are not baligh, mukallak or muhallaq!

3. Masa’il Ad-Din & Masa’il Al-Ra’y What the differences must be concerning:

As mentioned above: “Because in Aqeeda there can only be one absolute truth, unlike fiqh issues where khilaf is possible.

Masa’il Ad-Din: Matters that are proven from the clear nass (text) on aqeeda — the Ahl Khilaf (People of the opposition, those who oppose our school) should not disagree with us on matters of aqeeda, or they would be in “Kufr Ni’ama.”

Masa’il Al-Ra’y: Matters that pertain to (usul al fiqh), if it is a clear text, then there is no room for ijtihad; however, if it is not a clear text, the ijtihad is in the text itself.

4. The different categories of Ahl Khilaf.

A) Muqallids: Understanding that the majority of the people of all schools (including the Ibadi school) are Muqallid—That means one who practices Taqlid. They follow qualified scholars according to their school without knowing the evidence (dalil, burhan, and hujat).

B) Scholars of the different schools.

Further divided into two:


B1) Scholars who have received the evidence, understood the evidence, acknowledge the evidence. Or they knowingly reject the evidence = “Kufr Ni’ama” (Judgement is based upon the dhahir in this case, we are correct) — We judge according to the apparent.

B2) Scholars that are not catching the evidence are not comprehending the evidence. (From the outward we perceive they are rejecting the truth) (Judgement is based upon the dhahir in this case, we are in error) — We judge according to the apparent.

5. A clear delivery of the truth.

“And obey Allah and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, then Our Messenger is responsible only for conveying the message clearly. (Quran 64:12)

The Blessed Messenger (saw) is said to have delivered the message clearly. So how about non-Messenger humans that use our own styles and methods to speak and demonstrate and use of reasoning which may or may not be flawed?

“˹Say to the believers, O Prophet,˺ “Whatever you may differ about, its judgment rests with Allah. That is Allah—my Lord. In Him I put my trust, and to Him I ˹always˺ turn.” (Qur’an 42:10)

5. Factor of Time. The time needed to comprehend and implement the truth of any particular subject.

For example, a new individual just embraces Islam. The upcoming time for prayer is coming. Is this person excused from the prayer? No they are not. However, they do not know the dalil, burhan, and hujat concerning the prayer. How much time is needed for someone to know the akham — meaning what is wajib (obligatory), mustahabb (recommended), muharram (outright forbidden), makruh (disliked), halal (permissible).


And this is only for prayer. How much more time is needed to establish certainty in other disciplines, like aqeeda.

TOP SCHOLARS OF THE IBADI SCHOOL HAVE SIGNED THE AMMAN MESSAGE.

Ibadi Muslims signed the Amman accords.

The Grand Mufti and Assistant Grand Mufti both signed.

Top scholars of our school have signed the Amman Message. Shaykh Ahmad bin Hamad Al -Khalili (h) the Mufti of the Sultanate of Oman.

Shaykh Dr. Kahlan bin Nahban Al-Kharusi (h) The Jurisprudential Advisor in the Office for the Issuance of Fatwas.

The Muslims can continue to compete and vie with one other for influence over the Ummah of Muhammed (saw).

So respectful engagement is absolutely key to having meaningful discussion. We have Husn al-Dhan, that Muslims from other sects are generally brought up with good parenting. This is the default thinking in regard to them. However, when a Muslim from another sect starts to hurl abuse and insults, we shut down. The dialogue stops immediately. Is this because we wish to retreat? No. Because at that moment the thinking among us is that your parents brought you up with good mannerisms. Mannerism that you are now ignoring. Which means you must not respect your parents. If you do not respect your parents, how can you respect us or even the conversation?

“So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.” (Qur’an 5:48)

However, it is also incumbent upon us to work together when ever and however we can for the betterment of the communities and countries that each of us live in. Social cohesion is a prerequisite to convey the truth. For, after all, who can convey the truth among the piercing sounds of gunfire and the terrified screams of little children?

“Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is guided.” (Qur’an 16:125)

You may also be interested in reading the following:

May Allah Guide the Ummah.

May Allah Forgive the Ummah.

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Christian Heaven and Islamic Heaven: Virgins, Violence and Coup D’état!

They shall have whatever they wish with their Lord.” (Qur’an 39:34)

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The Christian Heaven: Virgins, Violence, and Coup D’état!

Much seems to be made of the idea that the Qur’an mentions carnal pleasure in heaven, drinking of heavenly wine, and/or the eating of foods. Thus, the Qur’an is made out to be a depraved book that focuses on the lust and passions of men in particular.

This is unlike Christianity, where when we reach heaven we have an ‘eternal walk’ with the Lord. As Shabir Ally said in a debate with Jay Smith, “That’s going to be a long walk, Jay.”

First and foremost, it is absolutely imperative that anyone reading this should know that the Qur’an nowhere promises anyone 72 virgins in paradise! Nowhere!

This statement is in Hadith literature.

“It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham ‘Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa’id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet (saw) saying, ‘The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San’a.”

Even then it should be noted that the above hadith is considered to have weak chain.

It is attributed to the Messenger of Allah (saw) that he said:

“In Paradise, there is a pavilion made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners; and the believers will visit and enjoy their wives.”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4879)

So one hadith above mentions servants and houri (beings created for pleasure) and it is not mentioned if they are for those without spouses, those with spouses or not. The second hadith is addressing people who have wives. Now, if there was no decency involved, one would wonder the need to have distance? Again, the idea is that this is a reference to a man who has more than one wife and just as you would not make love to one wife in front of the other in this life (this is just etiquette and respect), you would not do as such in the next life.

“He it is Who has sent down the Book upon thee; therein are signs determined; they are the Mother of the Book, and others symbolic. As for those whose hearts are given to swerving, they follow that of it which is symbolic, seeking temptation and seeking its interpretation. And none know its interpretation save God and those firmly rooted in knowledgeThey say, “We believe in it; all is from our Lord.” And none remember, save those who possess intellect.” (Qur’an 3:7) 

“No soul knows what comfort is kept hidden for it as a recompense for that which they used to do.” (Qur’an 32:17)

Abu Hurairah reported that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said that Allah said:
I have prepared for My righteous servants what no eye has seen and no ear has heard, nor has it occurred to the human heart. Thus, recite if you wish, ‘And no soul knows what joy has been kept hidden for them.”’

Source: (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7498)

The above verse of the Qur’an coupled with the below hadith is often argued to say that the afterlife is allegorical. This is not true. The verse of the Qur’an coupled with the hadith says exactly what it says. That is that no soul knows what comfort is kept hidden from it. It does not mean we will not have that which we are familiar with or that we do not have a frame of reference for.

So now let’s get to two places in the Qur’an that the missionaries seem to be having a field day with.
Here is comparing three different translations of the Qur’an chapter 56, verses 35–37.

Now some Christian apologists, being embarrassed about details and language that the Holy Spirit supposedly inspired people to write in the Bible, are pulling out all the stops to make the verses above say ‘swelling breast’.

We think Christians like them are embarrassed that the Holy Spirit inspired someone to write the following in the Bible (according to their theology)…

“Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth when she was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.” (New International Version Ezekiel chapter 23 verse 20)

Ain’t nobody trying to hear that! We already got the picture that this woman was carried away.

The sad thing is that in the Bible you will never see a man match a woman in terms of lewdness or promiscuity.

Women are always used as symbols for evil, and that which is vile and filthy.

The Whore of Babylon” …for example…

“All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;….” (Isaiah 64:6)

Giving charity to the people of Haiti, or giving your organ to a dying child or spouse so that they may live, is simply described as a woman’s ‘filthy rag’ in Christianity. All good deeds on this Earth are compared to a woman’s menstrual cloth.

Every noble act ever committed by any human being anywhere is simply a ‘filthy rag’

Feeding a starting child. Giving comfort to an orphan. Providing a blanket for the homeless cold and feeble old man. All of it is likened to a woman’s menstrual cloth!

So no better image could be conjured up in the mind of the Holy Spirit than a woman having her monthly bleeding – bleeding we might add that was given to her as a punishment by God according to Christianity.

However, later we find out that God gets cheated on. That the ‘wife’ of God became like a prostitute.

“‘But you trusted in your beauty and capitalized on your fame by becoming a prostitute. You offered your sexual favors to every man who passed by so that your beauty became his. You took some of your clothing and made for yourself decorated high places; you engaged in prostitution on them.” (Ezekiel 16:15-16)

Prima Qur’an: We have always wondered why many Christian and Jewish men had a very unhealthy relationship and attitude towards women. When the Creator of Heaven and Earth gets cheated on, then who is the average man compared to God?

Even some Christian polemist who got cheated on may feel a kindred spirit with God.

So here are the verses that Christians think are embarassing for Muslims.

(Qur’an 56:35)

YUSUFALI: We have created of special creation.
PICKTHAL: Lo! We have created them a creation
SHAKIR: Surely We have made them to grow into a growth,

(Qur’an 56:36)

YUSUFALI: And made them virgin – pure, –
PICKTHAL: And made them virgins,
SHAKIR: Then We have made them virgins,

(Qur’an 56:37)


YUSUFALI: Beloved, equal in age,-
PICKTHAL: Lovers, friends,
SHAKIR: Loving, equals in age,

And let us look at the next set of verses in the Qur’an comparing three different translations. (Qur’an chapter 78 verses 31-33)

(Qur’an 78:31)

YUSUFALI: Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfillment of desires;
PICKTHAL: Lo! for the duteous is an achievement –
SHAKIR: Surely for those who guard is an achievement,

(Qur’an 78:32)

YUSUFALI: Gardens enclosed, and grapevines;
PICKTHAL: Gardens enclosed and vineyards,
SHAKIR: Gardens and vineyards,

(Qur’an 78:33)

YUSUFALI: And voluptuous women of equal age;
PICKTHAL: And voluptuous women of equal age;
SHAKIR: And voluptuous women of equal age;

You can see for yourself how various translators have rendered the text: https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/78/33/

In talking about the Qur’an mentioning of physical pleasure in heaven, a Lebanese Christian convert to Islam, Hajji Gibril Houdad, says the following,

“The perfection of Islam dictates that it have a motivation for every type of person including those that are not motivated except through sensory reward, which is the common lot whether Christians deny it or not and that the principle of Paradise as a reward for martyrs is also very much present in their doctrine. However, Paradise in Islam also describes a higher level called Ridwan i.e. the lavishing of Divine good pleasure, to which we pray that Allah guides us.”

What about Muslim women? What will they get in paradise?

“And whoever does righteous deeds, whether male or female, while being a believer – those will enter Paradise and will not be wronged, even as much as the speck on a date seed.”(Qur’an 4:124)

“Women shall derive benefit from what they acquired. Ask, therefore, Allah out of His bounty: behold, Allah has indeed full knowledge of everything.” (Qur’an 4:32)

One of the scholars said that the rewards of women in the Quran are implied (rather than specifically stated)because they are more bashful than a man. A man needs it to be spelled out to him and a woman can read between the lines.

Allah mentions some of the pleasures of Paradise. The translation of the verse is: “And round about them will (serve) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think of them as scattered pearls.” (Qur’an 76:19)

“These are creatures that are created for service. This is what they love to do. There is no exploitation or anything like that in the modern politically-correct world we live in. These people are created for this. This is their Ibadah (worship) to Allah. If you –the prophet SAAWS- saw them you would consider them scattered pearls and this is just indicating how beautiful they are” -Shaykh Hamza Yusuf.

“They shall have whatever they wish with their Lord.” (Qur’an 39:34)


So in Islam, we are not crude people. We are taught to be refined and to be cultured. Allah says that women will have what they wish from Allah. If a person wants to ask for details, this just shows the level of their own civility. We don’t speak about our mothers, sisters, and daughters in such an open way as many people do today. May Allah give them more shyness, modesty, and refinement! Amin!

You can read more about that here:

https://sheikhynotes.blogspot.com/2010/01/womens-reward-in-paradise-in-islam.html

So now we come to it… The Christian paradise…

In this article, we ask: Does the Christian Heaven have a place for women? We were hard-pressed to find any verse in the Bible that unequivocally stated this as such:

Women are little more than an afterthought in the Christian salvific scheme.

It also seems to me that the Christian paradise is not really something to look forward to but simply a refuge away from something.

Unlike the Qur’an, where Allah is inviting people to paradise, Christians never use descriptions of paradise or ‘long walks with God for all eternity’ as a means of bringing people close to God.

Christianity is more or less about being ‘saved’. Saved from what? Saved from eternal everlasting hellfire.

In Christianity, heaven is not something to be invited to, rather it is an escape from.

It’s as if someone is telling you that you have the choice between:

A) Go into a room and be burned alive forever and ever for all eternity.

Or

B) You can go into a room and eat potato soup for all eternity.

Only a glutton for punishment would choose option A.

Now the analogy of spending time with God to potato soup is most definitely lacking. Yet this is what Christianity does. For all its doctrine and evangelical teaching, none of it is about calling people to God. It’s all about fleeing from wrath!

Now, obviously the Qur’an teaches that hellfire is eternal. Those who dwell therein will dwell forever. Yet as Shaykh Gibril mentioned above, some people are motivated by reward/punishment and others may not be so.


Early Christianity and, indeed, western civilization seem to have some rather unhealthy feelings towards sex and sexuality in general.

So there you are, long walks with the heavenly father, the lion lays down with the sheep (how nice for the sheep) and so forth…

So there you have it….paradise ….heaven, a place of eternal peace, with everyone singing kumbaya……OR IS IT?

War and Coup D’état in heaven!


“And there was WAR IN HEAVEN. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.” (Revelation 12:7)

 Good grief!

Is heaven a place of war and violence? Let’s keep reading…

So much for Jesus’ argument that he wasn’t casting out devils by the power of Satan!

“So Jesus called them together and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, it cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, it cannot stand.” (Mark 3;23-25)

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12)


Well, apparently you don’t have to be saved after all! If you’re violent enough, you can simply take the kingdom of heaven by force!

What on Earth is going on?

“He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” (Luke 10:18)

The great dragon was hurled down–that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.” (Revelation 12:9)

Ahh yes, Sunday school days. As one of our colleagues recalls the story. There was an angel named Lucifer who apparently got jealous of God. Lucifer wanted to run things, and so he had a secret meeting with some angels, and together they tried to sack the boss!

Now the story itself is nowhere in the Bible. It’s not Biblical! We have no idea who cooked this up. Allah knows best. There are a lot of problems with this story. It makes you wonder where the idea to rebel against God came from? If everything was as pure as the driven snow.

It also makes a mockery of God, as if Allah wouldn’t know that the angels were plotting against him. Not only this, but this is NOT Islamic theology. We have NO concept of fallen angels.

“O believers! Protect yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is people and stones, overseen by formidable and severe angels, who never disobey whatever Allah orders—always doing as commanded.” (Qur’an 66:6)

“who do not speak until He has spoken, acting at His command.” (Qur’an 21:27)

As we asked before what is to stop the next disgruntled angel from wanting to sack the boss!

So we don’t know about you but as a believing man or woman, we would much prefer the heaven in which we are relaxing on a couch, with handsome servant boys (if we are a women) and beautiful young maidens (if we are men) than to be witness to the next Coup D’état!

Jesus, heaven, and virgins…

Let’s open our Bibles to Matthew chapter 25 verses 1-13


Matthew 25

“The Parable of the Ten Virgins”

1 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut. ???

11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

Now did you notice that it says, “The Parable”? It does not say that in the Greek Text. This is a heading that someone has put into the story. Anyhow, there are a number of things about this story that are odd. If Jesus is the bridegroom, then are these the brides,plural—polygamy?

“In the parable of the ten virgins (Matt 25:1-13), there is no mention of the bride simply because the virgins are the brides. In fact, copyists of New Testament manuscripts recognized the straightforward meaning and added “and bride” to a number of manuscripts at the end of Matthew 25:1. As mentioned above in the quote from Maimonides, Jewish law permitted marrying multiple wives at the same time and no doubt some Israelite kings built their polygamous households in this manner.” -Blaine Robinson

Source: (http://www.blainerobison.com/concerns/polygamy.htm)

Now it gets strange because, apparently, these virgins go with Jesus, “The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.”


Now, of course, there is no mention of sex, but there is a picture of virgins being married to Jesus. If people say that the brides refer to both men and women, you’re not helping your case. You are actually painting a picture which, indeed, would be even more bizarre.

So who are these virgins that go with Jesus?

144,000 Virgin Men Offered To Jesus In Heaven!!!!

Move over Islam and your paltry sum of “72 virgin women” you ain’t seen anything yet! Here comes’ Jesus with 144,000 virgin men!

“Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.” (Revelation 14:1)

*note* Jesus and the Father do not share the same name!

“No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins(parthenos). They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as first fruits to God and the Lamb.” (Revelation 14:3-5)

Now, if we allowed ourselves to enter into the minds of perverted polemicists like many of the Christians who assail Islam, we could allow our imaginations to just run wild with passages like the ones above. Like why are 144,000 virgin men likened to fruit?

Why is sex (as we mentioned above) seen as something dirty in Christian theology? Remember it says “who did not defile themselves with women” –This also means sex in marriage.

Why the emphasis upon virgin men?

Does the Bible ever give us a clue anywhere else as to the use of virgins?

“Now, therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.” (Numbers 31.17-18)


According to the Christians, “Jesus” orders the Israelites to keep alive the young virgin girls for themselves because they have special purposes (shrugs shoulders).

Take a look at the the weak hadith that mentions the 72 houri again.

“It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham ‘Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa’id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet (saw) saying, ‘The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San’a.”

The text does not say the houri are for pleasure. But if it is assumed to be the case, then…

“But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut. ???

Thus, it is hoped that Christians will take our understanding of the Qur’an based upon its chief principle of interpretation of chapter 3 verse 7 a little more seriously.

The Christian heaven: Wars, Sedition, Violence, and filled with 144,000 lucky virgin men!

The Islamic heaven: Eternal peace. The sovereignty of Allah reigns supreme, mind-blowing cosmic orgasmic sex with earthly beings and celestial beings on a level you could never have imagined! A place where delights await both men and women.

Choose wisely!

May Allah Guide the Ummah.

May Allah Forgive the Ummah.

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Adam In Paradise before coming to Earth or is the Paradise a garden on Earth?

And “O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat from wherever you will but do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 7:19)

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We need to first understand why these questions come about and the possible intentions behind them. Especially in light of very clear verses of the Qur’an.

كِتَٰبٌ أَنزَلۡنَٰهُ إِلَيۡكَ مُبَٰرَك لِّيَدَّبَّرُوٓاْ ءَايَٰتِهِۦ وَلِيَتَذَكَّرَ أُوْلُواْ ٱلۡأَلۡبَٰبِ

“(This is) a blessed Book which We have revealed to you, (O Muhammed), that they might reflect upon its verses and that those of understanding would be reminded.” (Qur’an 38:29)

The first thing to say is that all who sincerely ponder upon the Qur’an will be rewarded. It is a very great act of worship.

The second is to say that all of us approach the Qur’an with our presuppositons. A presupposition is an implicit, underlying assumption about the world that a speaker takes for granted as true for an utterance to make sense in context.

So, if someone approaches the Qur’an with the idea in mind that miracles do not take place or the current Ijmāʿin science is the end, all be all, they will interpret the Qur’an in accord with this presupposition.

Others may feel the need to interpret the Qur’an in such a way in light of what they see as verses that could not be reconciled otherwise.

The Qur’an is clear that both Adam and his wife were in paradise (Jannah). Yet, this word literally means ‘garden’.

“O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat there in abundance from wherever you will. But do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 2:35)

“So he brought about their fall through deception. And when they tasted of the tree, their nakedness was exposed to them, prompting them to cover themselves with leaves from Paradise. Then their Lord called out to them, “Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you that Satan is your sworn enemy?” (Qur’an 7:22)

“O children of Adam! Do not let Satan deceive you as he tempted your parents out of Paradise and caused their cover to be removed in order to expose their nakedness. Surely he and his soldiers watch you from where you cannot see them. We have made the devils allies of those who disbelieve.” (Qur’an 7:27)

And “O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat from wherever you will; but do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 7:19)

The first objection to Adam-alayi salam being created in the heavenly paradise rather than a garden on Earth.

The Satan’s Access Argument Examined.

So, whether this means the Paradise that the righteous go to when they die, or it means some place on the Earth that Adam (alayi salam) was expelled from, raises questions.

The first question it raises is as follows:

“Allah said, “Then get down from Paradise! It is not for you to be arrogant here. So get out! You are truly one of the disgraced.” (Qur’an 7:13) clearly states that Iblis was already in the same “Jannah” as Adam before his expulsion.


This verse makes it clear that Iblis was removed from Paradise. Yet, we have the following verse:

“But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that in which they had been. And We said, “Go down, as enemies to one another, and you will have upon the earth a place of settlement and provision for a time.” (Qur’an 2:36)

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“O children of Adam! Do not let Satan deceive you as he tempted your parents out of Paradise and caused their cover to be removed in order to expose their nakedness. Surely he and his soldiers watch you from where you cannot see them. We have made the devils allies of those who disbelieve.” (Qur’an 7:27)

So how does Iblis have access to paradise? (Either the place the righteous go to when they die or the place on Earth that Adam -alayi salam was expelled from)

One approach that is used is to suggest that the satan that tempted Adam -alayi salam was not necessarily Iblis, but rather another Jinn that decided to go down the path of rebellion and perversion.

“And thus did We make for every prophet an enemy, the Shaitans from among men and jinn, some of them suggesting to others varnished falsehood to deceive (them), and had your Lord pleased they would not have done it, therefore leave them and that which they forge And that the hearts of those who do not believe in the hereafter may incline to it and that they may be well pleased with it and that they may earn what they are going to earn (of evil).” (Qur’an 112:113)

“He said: Get out of this (state), despised, driven away; whoever of them will follow you, I will certainly fill hell with you all.” (Qur’an 7:18)

“But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that in which they had been. And We said, “Go down, as enemies to one another, and you will have upon the earth a place of settlement and provision for a time.” (Qur’an 2:36)

“We said, “Descend all of you! Then when guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows it, there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve.” (Qur’an 2:38)

So, as Iblis was an inhabitant of heaven before he became a shaitan, it is reasoned that the jinn that tempted Adam -alayi salam was an inhabitant of heaven before he became a shaitan.

Some will argue that this cannot be the case as Iblis is the shaitan identified in the following verse:

“O children of Adam! Do not let Satan deceive you as he tempted your parents out of Paradise and caused their cover to be removed in order to expose their nakedness. Surely he and his soldiers watch you from where you cannot see them. We have made the devils allies of those who disbelieve.” (Qur’an 7:27)

This may not mean Iblis directly but by way of proxy. “He and his soldiers.”

The two “Descents” Hubut (هبوط) approach.

Another way Muslim commentators have tried to approach this is to suggest we distinguish between two different “descents” or “expulsions”:

  • First Descent (Iblis): Iblis is expelled from the presence of divine mercy and from the company of the angels. However, he is not immediately removed from the physical location of the Garden. He lingers, seeking revenge.
  • Second Descent (Adam): After successfully tempting Adam, both Adam and Iblis are then commanded to descend to earth.

This view holds that Iblis’s expulsion in Qur’an 7:13 is primarily a spiritual and relational expulsion (loss of status), while his physical departure from the Garden happens simultaneously with Adam in Qur’an 2:36 and Qur’an 7:24.

The Two Descents approach creates a theologically unacceptable inconsistency:

  • Iblis: Commits direct, arrogant rebellion against Allah’s explicit command. Refuses to prostrate. Challenges Allah openly. His punishment? He is “expelled” but allowed to loiter around in the Garden long enough to tempt Adam -alayhi salam.
  • Adam: Makes a mistake. He forgets. He is weak. He is then deceived by the very being Allah allegedly allowed to remain. His punishment? Immediate removal. No lingering.

This portrayal makes Allah appear inconsistent. May Allah forgive us. The rebel gets deferment; the one who stumbles gets the hammer. This is not the Allah of the Quran, who is Al-‘Adl (The Just) and Al-Rahman (The Most Merciful).

Our objection is not just logical; it is theological dynamite. It exposes that the “two descents” harmonization, far from solving the problem, actually creates a worse one: a morally problematic portrait of divine justice.

كيف قام الشيطان بأغواء آدم عليه السلام؟أين كانت جنة آدم عليه السلام؟وهل يمكن أن يدخلها ابليس؟

This is the way that Shaykh Ahmed Al Khalili (H) has answered the above question:

The second objection to Adam-alayi salam being created in the heavenly paradise rather than a garden on Earth.

If Adam-alayhi salam is a special creation of paradise, then how did mud make its way into heaven?

˹Remember, O  Prophet˺ , when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to create a human being from sounding clay moulded from black mud.” (Qur’an 15:28)

This is a rather odd objection.

Why couldn’t Allah have created the dust and clay for Adam within Paradise itself? For a being who creates the entire universe from nothing (“Be, and it is”), Allah could have willed into existence a handful of dust within the celestial garden just as easily as He could have on earth.

The Qur’an has already established the following:

“O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat there in abundance from wherever you will. But do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 2:35)

“So he brought about their fall through deception. And when they tasted of the tree, their nakedness was exposed to them, prompting them to cover themselves with leaves from Paradise. Then their Lord called out to them, “Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you that Satan is your sworn enemy?” (Qur’an 7:22)

“The description of Paradise promised to the righteous is that in it are rivers of fresh water, rivers of milk that never changes in taste, rivers of wine delicious to drink, and rivers of pure honey. There they will ˹also˺ have all kinds of fruit, and forgiveness from their Lord. ˹Can they be˺ like those who will stay in the Fire forever, left to drink boiling water that will tear apart their insides?.” (Qur’an 47:15)

Can you imagine!? Rivers of milk. Rivers of wine! Rivers of pure honey! Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory eat your heart out!

“And We will provide them with whatever fruit or meat they desire.” (Qur’an 52:22)

“˹They will also be served˺ any fruit they choose and meat from any bird they desire.” (Qur’an 56:20-21)

Allah (swt) has described the jannah as the place where Adam-alayi salam was eating. Does this then follow that he needed to relieve himself? Allah (swt) has described the jannah as a place that has trees, and it has leaves that Adam -alayhi salam used to cover his nakedness.

Therefore, the presence of these materials does not, in itself, prove the location was earthly. The miracle of creation is not bound by our physical laws of geology.

Just as one can have a garden on earth they can have a garden in heaven. Just as we can have trees and rivers on earth we can them in heaven.

The third objection to Adam-alayi salam being created in the heavenly paradise rather than a garden on Earth.

“And when your Lord said to the angels, I am going to place in the earth a khalif, they said: Will You place in it such as shall make mischief in it and shed blood, and we celebrate Your praise and extol Your holiness? He said: Surely I know what you do not know.” (Qur’an 2:30)

It is argued that this verse somehow contradicts Allah’s initial purpose of sending a khalif to the Earth. The argument is that if Allah (swt) decided in the beginning to send Adam-alayhi salam to the Earth, then why does Allah (swt) need an excuse to send him down to earth as a punishment?

In other words, if Adam -alayi salam had not slipped, he would not have been sent to the Earth.

The first point is that nowhere does the Qur’an say that the khilafa is for one who does not sin. Nowhere does it state that to be an Imam for others you need to be free from sin.

We have established this in our article here:

The second point is that Allah (swt) knows all things including what would happen between Adam-alayhi salam and his nemesis. Also, Allah (swt) knew what the selection of adam-alayi salam would be. To argue against this is to argue against the Qur’an itself. To argue against what Allah (swt) said about himself here:

“He is the First and the Last, the Most High and Most Near, and He has knowledge of all things.” (Qur’an 57:3)

“How could He not know His Own creation? For He is the Most Subtle, All-Aware.” (Qur’an 67:14)

Questions that must be asked of those who believe the garden was a place on Earth.

  1. Where is the location of this place?
  2. Can humans re-enter this location? If not, why not?

Why does Allah (swt) need to inform Adam-alayi salam of the following:

But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that in which they had been. And We said, “Go down, as enemies to one another, and you will have upon the earth a place of settlement and provision for a time.” (Qur’an 2:36)

He said, ‘Descend, being enemies to one another. And on the earth, for you is a place of settlement and enjoyment for a time.’ He said, ‘Therein you will live, and therein you will die, and from it you will be brought forth.'” (Quran 7:24-25)


If the earth was their default location, why do they need to be informed of it?

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