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Christians are in full on meltdown over Islam.

“You are the best nation that ever existed among humanity. You command people to good and prohibit them from evil, and you believe in Allah. Had the People of the Book accepted the faith (Islam), it would certainly have been better for them. Some of them have faith, but most of them are evil doers.” (Qur’an 3:110)

Christians are in full on metldown over Islam.

On the one hand we keep hearing about this mass apostasy from Islam. They feel if they keep telling themselves that or keep saying it that it somehow becomes a reality.

These are the same Christians that tell your average every day American and Englishman that those 2% of Muslims in the U.S are somehow going to force Shariah law upon the 98% of the U.S.

Mind you that 23% of the United States 330 million population are evangelical Christians and they have yet to implement theonomy. Yet, somehow those 2% of Muslims are going to force shariah law upon the American population.

Even though the Christianity Today article mentions that Burkina Faso, a population with 65% of Muslims is not going to be implementing Shariah law.

https://www.christiandaily.com/news/burkina-faso-leader-ibrahim-traore-rejects-sharia-law

Here is a map of Burkina Faso. (Highlighted in Red).

So which is it honey child? Are Muslims all over the world leaving Islam in mass or are the 2% of Muslims in the United States and the 6% in the United Kingdom going to enforce Shariah law upon everyone?

Every small town in the United States has no less than 50 different Christian denominations all arguing over thier particular flavour of Christianity. Yet, somehow they (these Christians) think that Muslims are all united, on the same page, have the same goals and idealogical bent?

Just look at the Islamic Republican of Iran. Where they have totally crushed their entire Christian population!!

Or have they?

Below is the Saint Sarkis Cathedral of the Armenian Orthodox Church. Pictured below is a recent mass.

It’s not like one can’t just go over to: https://yourtourinfo.com/armenia/armenian-churches-worldwide/armenian-churches-in-iran/ and then click google maps and see the Church live in real time.

That is unless Trump and the U.S intelligence and Elon Musk are all lying to us about the status of these churches.

Here is the problem. While on the one hand the United States has Princeton, MIT, Harvard, Stanford and Yale. All of which have produced some brilliant ideas and brilliant minds it also has a population that believes NASA never went to the moon. A huge segment of the population really does believe that the Earth is flat. That there is an ice wall that prevents anyone from traveling beyond. That you can reach Africa from the Grand Canyon in Arizona. That the moon is hollow, or even possibly a sattelite ‘spying’ on us.

You would think that such views are held among the poorly educated. However, you may be quite suprised to find well educated and articulate U.S Americans holdings such views and things even more extreme.

This is what the Muslim is dealing with.

Muslims are just not assimiliating!

Caucasians of European descent can celebrate their heritage days. However, when Shi’i Muslims remember Karbala or African Americans want to celebrate Kwanza we start talking about assimilation.

So we can have St. Patrick’s Day (March 17th) and have massive parades in cities like New York and Boston. The Midwest can have their Octoberfest (September-October) which is rooted in Bavarian tradition. We can have Mardis Gras (Shrove Tuesday/Feb-Mar) which was brought by French settlers and celebrated in New Orleans, Louisiana and Mobile Alabama. We can have Colombus Day/Italian Heritage Day (October) which marks Italian-American culture and has parades in New York. We can have Lief Erikson Day (Ocotber 9th) which celebrates Noridic American heritage and European exploration of North America. You can attend the Polish Fest in Milwaukee) Wisconsin which is held annually in June at Henry Maier Festival Park and all of that is fine.

The people who talk about assimilation wear T-shirts of the American flag complete with hot dog juice and mustard stains and wear the American flag like a cape.

Imagine the cognitive dissonance of a Christian who post a picture of a woman in a bikini eating a hot dog (presumably pork) with the caption. “Islam hates this.”

Did Jesus love pork?

Did Jesus love scantly clad women?

Christian apologetic/polemic scene.

The Christian apolgetic/polemic scene is in absolute disarray. They have thrown everything they have had Islam and Muslims and nothing seems to stick.

Trying to prove that Christianity which came 700 years before Islam is historically more verifable then a religion (Islam) that came 700 years after it.

    This type of attack usually focuses on trying to show the disconnect between the Hebrew Scriptures, what Christians call the Old Testament and the narratives found in the Qur’an.

    The Assumption is that the Old Testament which was compiled and edited and redacted during the The Babylonian Exile (6th Century BCE) -600 years before the advent of Jesus, and gives us information about Moses who came approximately 1,300 years before Jesus is an accurate recollection and account of the past events.

    A very excellent book that debunks this notion with ease (and every Muslim of comparative religion should have) is Dr. Louay Fatoohi’s excellent book: The Prophet Joseph in the Qur’an, the Bible, and History available here: https://www.safispub.com/comparative-religion/the-prophet-joseph-in-the-quran-the-bible-and-history/

    The Old Testament also frequently gives information about events which it could not have been witness to, or in which there were no eye witnesses. Examples being the narrative about the garden of Eden. Hence, the information has to come from what is claimed to be revelation.

    In fact, reflect on the following information:

    The history of the Old Testament

    “The first five books of the Old Testament are the foundations of the Jewish faith and central to Christianity. It’s thought that the main author was Moses, a significant leader of the Jewish people who brought them out of slavery in Egypt. He wrote down the laws given to the Jewish people by God – including the Ten Commandments. A later book of the Old Testament, Joshua, refers to ‘the Book of the Law of Moses’. Other writings gathered together the oral stories passed down for centuries, which make up the first few chapters of the Bible.”

    “Some of the books of the Old Testament took many years to come together because they documented events over centuries.”

    Source: (https://www.christianity.org.uk/article/the-history-of-the-bible)

    This approach is most likely the brain child of Christian missionary Jay Smith.

    Jay Smith after getting routinely destroyed in his debates with Shabir Ally; where Christianity and Islam were compared/contrasted, Smith decided the best thing to do was to not bring Christianity up at all!

    Btw Jay Smith’s colleague is a guy named ‘Al Fadi’ who claimed he went to an Islamic University and he memorized “half the Qur’an” by age 12. The man is a total fraud. Just like Ergun Caner. A Christian apologist who was removed from Liberty University after the lies caught up to him. That man Ergun Caner unfortunately his own son committed suicide!

    You can read about Ergun Caner here:

    The greatest Christian belief. Namely the resurrection of Christ Jesus has no historical testimony and has anonymous witnesses.

    When you realize Christianity’s biggest sales pitch: ‘Assurance of Salvation‘ is not based upon reality with God but the apparent with men.

    Christianity’s biggest sales pitch is its most brazen lie. The idea of ‘Assurance of Salvation‘.

    Christian mission tactics are extremely deceptive.

    “What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in that I rejoice.” (Philippians 1:18)

    Paul rejoices that Christ is proclaimed, regardless of the method or motive. Paul gives no moral qualification. He does not condemn the bad motives. He simply rejoices in the outcome.

    In Somalia they were caught distributing books with the title ‘Al Kitab’ in Arabic and you opened it and it Al Fatiha in the first chapter followed by the rest as the Bible in Arabic!

    In West Africa Masjids there were missionaries who attended Masjids with the Muslims and prayed with them! When they would get people alone and isolate them and press them on certain text of the Qur’an. Examples: Jesus being born of the Virgin Mary, or Jesus making the birds out of clay. These are called ‘insider movements’.

    Secret Christians

    “C6 is the ‘secret’ or ‘underground’ group who still remain active in the life of the Muslim community. These people see themselves as Muslim followers of Isa; the local community sees them only as Muslim.
       It is in connection with the missiological/indigenous church practices derived from the C5/C6 end of the spectrum that the controversy gets heated! Are those individuals who make up such congregations truly converted, or are they in reality still Muslim?
       Now, we must be careful how from a safe, comfortable Western perspective we critique C5/C6 followers of Jesus. In many Islamic countries and communities, confessing faith in Jesus Christ as Lord, God, and Saviour can result in severe persecution — the loss of educational privileges, occupation, family and even life. We perhaps need also to keep in mind Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea!
       An even more extreme application of the C6 principle is known as the ‘Insider Movement’. The Insider Movement encourages Muslims who have ‘accepted’ Jesus to stay within their Muslim family and communities.”

    Source: https://www.evangelical-times.org/contextualisation/ <<< Christians are telling you this! We didn’t get this information from a Muslim source.

    You even have the ‘honey trap’ Christians active in Indonesia where they talk to women online and try to get compromosing photos of said individuals and then use manipulative tactics to get these women to convert to Christianity! Truly disgusting.

    Even you can frequently see Christian missionaries and apologist say ‘Praise Allah’ or ‘Al hamdulillah’ now of course they say such things sarcastically. However, the discerning Christian should ask themselves if Allah (swt) is really a demon as they claim why given praise to Allah sarcastically?

    No Muslim is going to say All praise be to Shiva or all praise be to Baal. Even sarcastically. These are serious matters that Christians take in jest.

    A famous Roman Catholic channel dropped a bombshell on his timeline. The greatest miracle of the Eastern Orthodox Church is a lie! Want to know what is exceedingly interesting about this? These same Eastern Orthodox Christians who usually come in packs anytime Eastern Othodox Christianity is challenged were quite as church mice on this particular post. The best any of them had to bring was ‘whatabouism’. But your Church (The Catholic Church) has this and this.

    After the clash of historical narratives arguments the second biggest canon the Christian missionaries feel they have in their arsenal is the so called, ‘Islamic Dilemma’.

    Even Christian missionary David Wood called it ‘the biggest apostasy maker‘. Now what is intersting by this statement is that David Wood did not call the so called, ‘Islamic Dilemma’ the biggest maker of Christians.

    This argument was designed by Christians to take the heat of the Bible and take the conversation away from the Bible.

    What is likely in this scenario is that you create an agnostic who has gone from a conservative world view to one that is very open to a very liberal world view.

    As regard, the David Wood apologist a Christian magazine had the following to report about him.

    Source: (https://premierchristian.news/us/news/article/christian-apologist-david-wood-confesses-sexual-activity-with-minors)

    The reason this information came out was not as David Wood claimed to ‘clear the air’ David Wood acted premeptively against another Christian Apologist, Hassamo ‘Sam Shamoun’ to prevent Sam from using the above information against him (David Wood).

    David Wood then release a photo of Hassamo ‘Sam Shamoun’s ex-wife with a black eye. Yet, another Christian apologist website called ‘Reasoned Answers’ released the following video:

    This video absolutely destroyed Shamoun’s credibility as he is caught in several contradictions.

    By the way, Sam Shamoun was (not sure if he still is) one of the premier writers for answeringislam.org < the website Christians use to debunk Islam.

    You have to wonder if Sam Shamoun’s ex-wife thought it was an ‘accident’ what motivated her to share a picture of herself with a black eye to David Wood?

    This prompted Sam Shamoun to retaliate against ‘Reasoned Answers’ -another Christian apologist website that focuses on attacking Islam. Sam Shamoun had discovered that ‘Reasoned Answers’ has a son who identifies as a transgender. A member of the LGBTQ community.

    He (Sam) also pointed out that the man behind ‘Reasoned Answers’ his own wife was involved in LGBTQ activity.

    Sam who goes by the moniker ‘Bruce Lee’ @BruceSaiFun posted the following. He posted pictures of ‘Reasoned Answers’ wife -where she posted a pic of herself with breast (covered by her hair). Why anyone would post such pictures on Facebook is anyone’s guess.

    Imagine! This ‘Reasoned Answers’ individual has a wife doing all this and he is calling Muslims to become Christians? No thank you.

    However, look at Sam’s language. This is what Christians are calling us to.

    This of course prompted ‘Reasoned Answers’ to release the following video:

    In the above video ‘Reasoned Answers’ explains he is not happy with his son’s choice to be a transexual.

    If you hear his explanation this is enough evidence for anyone in Muslim majority countries to NOT want their socities moddled after the the degenerate Christiain culture of the 21st century.

    The one verse in the New Testament that Christians hate more than Islam.

    “No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.” (1 John 3:9)

    https://biblehub.com/1_john/3-9.htm

    If you saw the way that Christians (Orthodox, Catholic, Protestants) try and run from this verse it would leave you shocked. The point of the verse is that man is in sin and is sinful. However, once you are born of God this means you are born of the Holy Spirit.

    This means that real true Christians cannot sin, not even once! But we all know how this ends up don’t we?

    Atheist should become Christians to stop the tide of Islam?!

    If you want anymore proof that Christianity is in full on meltdown mode watch this video insh’Allah.

    Ayaan Hirsi is basically pleading to Richard Dawkins (and all Atheist and Freethinkers) basically to become ‘cultural Christians’. This may mean to do a public announcement or baptism to outwardly appease Christians. The argument that Ayaan basically gives is that there is a spiritual vaccum in Western Nations. That Islam will fill that gap. So she is making her case to Dawkins for Christianity.

    What is interesting is why Ayaan thinks that Islam in particular will fill this vacuum. Not Buddhism, not New Age Spirituality, not Wicca, not Hinduism or anything else but Islam!

    Ayaan is actually not trying to persuade Atheist on rather or not Islam is true but rather or not Christianity is a political necessity as a ‘bulwark’ against Islam.

    That is exactly where we are. From Mark Zuckerbergs Facebook where one is hard pressed to log on and not get their timeline flooded with Anti-Islamic post; to Elon Musk, changing the algorithm on X to prevent engagement from Pro Palestine and Pro Islam post. Yet changing the algortihm to ramping up engagement on Anti-Islam post.

    Christians are in full on meltdown over Islam.

    They need not be. We the Muslims welcome them home. To their true home with us.

    May Allah guide the Christians out of the darkness that they are in into the light of Islam.

    May Allah guide the Ummah.

    May Allah forgive the Ummah.

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    The Old Testament’s Framework for Child Rape: A Property Crime Against the Father, Remedied by Bride-Price and Forced Child Marriage.

    “So marry them with the permission of their people ahlihinna (of their people/family)and give them their due compensation according to what is acceptable. They should be (muh’sanatin ghayra musafihatin) chaste not those who commit immorality, nor those who take lovers (akhdanin). (Qur’an 4:25)

    Perhaps the single biggest polemic or attack directed towards Islam has to do with the claim that the Blessed Prophet (saw) married his wife Aisha (ra) at a very young age. 

    For modern Christians, this represents the height of moral repugnance.  Even when it is pointed out to Christians that what makes a female a woman is puberty.  Even when it is pointed out that there is no definitive age given for marriage in the Bible, they still persist.

    But here comes the problem. The Bible that Christians have in their hands today portrays the Christian Jesus as giving a law in which a 6 or 9-year-old was raped (not given in marriage) but raped, her rapist would pay 50 shekels of silver to her father. The man can never divorce her.

    So, by this reasoning, if a person should never even consider Islam because of this, on what consistent basis should one become a Christian or remain a Christian given this shocking text?

    Are Christians out to create more atheists than believers?

    So let us look at the text in context. Let us look at the various ways Christian apologist try and soften the text.

    The law that the Christians Jesus gave.

    “If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.  If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.  Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her. If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.” (Deuteronomy 22:22-28)

    So let us analyze the text.

    Case 1. “If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.”

    Prima Qur’an comments: The plain reading here is that a man (married or unmarried) sleeps with a woman (married) and they are found they are both to be killed. The text indicates both parties consent.

    Case 2. “If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.” The text indicates both parties consent.

    Prima Qur’an comments: The plain reading here is that a man (married or unmarried) sleeps with a woman (not married but engaged) and they are found they are both to be killed.

    Case 3. “But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.  Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.”

    Prima Qur’an comments: The plain reading of the text is if the man rapes a woman in the countryside the man is to be killed and the woman is to be spared. The reasoning being is that it is presumed that even if she did cry out for help no one could help her. This text does not indicate that the parties consent.

    Case. 4 “If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.” This text does not indicate that the parties consent.

    Prima Qur’an comments: The plain reading of the text is that if a man rapes a virgin who is not engaged and they are discovered he must pay the father 50 shekels of silver. He cannot divorce the young woman.

    Analaytical breakdown of Deuteronomy 22:28-29.

    We can translate the text as:

    “If a man happens to meet a virgin (betulah) who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the ((na’arah) young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.”

    or

    “If a man finds a young woman (na’arah) who is a virgin (betulah), not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.”

    The definition of na’arah here is:

    a girl (from infancy to adolescence).

    Source: https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5291.htm

    What becomes immediately shocking is the law treats it as a property and marital crime against the father, not a violent assault on a child! In fact, the agency of the child is not considered at all.

    Few points of clarification.

    1. This text is not endorsing rape of children.
    2. The text is informing us of what happens if a child is raped.
    3. This text is not saying that he must marry that child.
    4. The female child has no agency in this at all.

    This is bloodcurdling evil. It represents a malevolence in its absolute, horrifying, and nightmarish form. Especially from the perspective of the female.

     On a plain reading, this law applies to any virgin female under her father’s authority who is not betrothed, regardless of age. The remedy is marriage to her rapist and no divorce.

    The Purpose of the Law: This law served two purposes:

    • Financial penalty to the father (who lost the bride-price a virgin daughter would command).
    • Social protection for the woman, who would otherwise be “damaged goods” and unmarriageable. Forcing the rapist to marry her and never divorce her provided her with lifelong financial and social security. (This is abhorrent to modern ethics, but it was intended as a protection for the woman in that ancient patriarchal context.)

    Notice the law treates this as a property and marital crime against the father and not a violent assault on a child!

    That’s it. No age. No consent requirement. No exception for young children. No minimum threshold.

    People (including scholars, pastors, and apologists) claim the Bible clearly excludes children from laws like Deuteronomy 22:28-29, they are adding to the text, not reading from it. The text says what it says. The rest is tradition, inference, or moral discomfort dressed up as exegesis.

    Jews and Christians panic. This is not rape at all! It’s a case of seduction!

    These are many different translations of the text into English.

    https://www.biblestudytools.com/deuteronomy/22-28-compare.html

    One thing that Jews and Christians will do is to say that the text is not talking about rape at all but seduction!

    There are many reasons why this does not hold water and they know they are being decietful.

    Notice the text says:

    “He must marry the (na’arah) young woman, for he has violated her.”

    “and she shall become his wife because he violated her”

    “Humbled” / “violated” — does the punishment fits the crime

    The word translated here as “violated” is also translated “afflicted” and “humbled”.

    If it’s consensual, why can he never divorce her because he “violated/humbled” her?

    If it’s consensual, there was no humbling or violation involved but she was an enthusiastic participant.

    How do the Jews and Christians reconcile their idea that Deuteronomy 22:28 is consensual sex when the man is told he can never divorce the woman because he has humbled her?

    Consensual sex doesn’t humble or disgrace a woman in that culture — marriage does not humble her. The humiliation is the forced nature of the act, the loss of her virginity by violence, the public shame. The permanent marriage without divorce is not a reward; it is a lifelong penalty to him (he cannot rid himself of her) and a provision for her (she would otherwise be unmarriageable and destitute). But that provision does not negate that the act was rape.

    Exodus 22:16 vs. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 — different verbs, different meanings

    Some Jews and Christians while trying to obfuscate the discussion quickly bring up Exodus 22:16.

    Look at what it says:

    “If a man seduces (patah) a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife. If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins.” (Exodus 22:16)

    “If a man finds a young woman (na’arah) who is a virgin (betulah), not betrothed, and seizes (taphas)her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he (anah)violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

    Terms.

    patah. Meaning: allure, deceive, enlarge, entice, flatter, persuade, silly one

    Source: (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6601.htm)

    anah. Meaning: To afflict, oppress, humble, answer, respond

    Source: (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6031.htm)

    taphas. Meaning: To seize, capture, grasp, take hold of

    Source: (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8610.htm)

    There’s a difference between a man who has sex with a woman and then marries her and a man who seizes a woman, has sex with her, and then marries her. In the first case, he can divorce her. In the second case, he cannot. It only makes sense if he has done some unusual harm to her.

    Notice in both cases the man still pays the fifty shekels of silver to the father. In the case that is consensual the marriage is at up to the father. The woman has no agency. In the case that it is non consensual the marriage must take place. The woman has no agency.

    Note that Exodus 22:16 uses language of seduction (patah — to entice, persuade), while Deuteronomy 22:28 uses taphas (seize, overpower, force) and anah (afflict, humble, violate).

    Examples of taphas.

    “She caught him by his cloak and said, ‘Come to bed with me!’ But he left his cloak in her hand and ran out of the house.” (Genesis 39:12)

    “Caught” = taphas (תָּפַשׂ) — Potiphar’s wife seizes/grabs hold of Joseph’s garment. The verb implies physical force or grasping, not a gentle or seductive touch.

    “He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.” (1 Samuel 15:8)

    “Took” = taphas (תָּפַשׂ) — Saul captures/seizes King Agag. This is the language of military capture and physical restraint.

    “Then Elijah commanded them, ‘Seize the prophets of Baal. Don’t let anyone get away!’ They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there.” (1 Kings 18:40)

    First “Seize” and second “seized” = taphas (תָּפַשׂ) — Elijah commands the people to physically capture/restrain the prophets of Baal. Again, forceful taking of persons.

    Example of anah.

    “But when she brought it to him to eat, he took hold of her and said, “Come to bed with me, my sister.” “No, my brother!” she said to him. “Don’t force me! (tə·‘an·nê·nî) This thing should not be done in Israel. Don’t do this wicked thing. What about me? Where could I get rid of my disgrace? And what about you? You would be like one of the wicked fools in Israel. Please speak to the king; he will not keep me from being married to you.” But he refused to listen to her, and since he was stronger than she, he (way·‘an·ne·hā) raped her.” (2 Samuel 13:11-14)

    Both of the words translated as: Don’t force me! and raped her are verb forms of the word anah.

    You know what context the word (anah) never appears in the Bible? Where a woman has consensual sex.

    Christian apologist dig deep to obfuscate the matter one last time.

    So one Christian wanted to show that anah only means humbled and not rape.

    So here the Bible god gives the people two choices. Submit to forced labour (which includes your men, women, and animals) or we fight kill the men and which result sin forced labour (minus the men).

    “When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace.  If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.  If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.” (Deuteronomy 20:10-15)

    So this Christian cited the following text:

    “When you go to war against your enemies and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails  and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife.  If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have (‘in·nî·ṯāh)dishonored her.” (Deuteronomy 21:10-14)

    Such Christians are truly dark individuals.

    So this Christian believes that once a man goes into a village, kills a woman’s entire family, takes her prisoner, brings her home, and “marries” her after she mourns her dead family (mother and father) for a mere month that this ‘marriage’ was consensual?

    One last plead by the Christian apologist. The phrase: ‘They are discovered’ and the ‘no cry for help.’

    • The phrase “they are discovered” (wə·nim·ṣā·’ū) does not imply consent. It implies the act became known—whether through pregnancy, witness, rumor, or later discovery. A raped girl might well be silent out of fear, shame, or trauma (as Tamar was—she “put ashes on her head” and went away desolate, but she did not immediately run to report it).

    Imagine a woman who walking on her way to work and she sees man holding a woman at knife point. She discovers them. Does that make the encounter mutual or consensual no it doesn’t.

    This causes us to go back and look at case 2 above.

    Case 2. “If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.”

    This law given to us by the Christian Jesus is very legally crude by modern standards. It also shows us to us that the Christian Jesus cannot be Almighty God becuase his logic is flawed. When the Christian Jesus teaches us: “cry = rape” / “no cry = consent” we must object on moral and logical grounds.

    Here the seeker of truth and the Christian who is distraught over these teaches of Christiain Jesus is comforted by the Muslim who says to these text given by the Christiain Jesus. “You are out of line sir!” and “It doesn’t work like that at all!”

    Any of these would explain why a raped girl — especially a child of 6 or 9 — might not cry out:

    • Gagged — physically unable to scream
    • Weapon held to throat — silent or die
    • Threats against her family — “I’ll kill your father if you scream”
    • Threats against her livelihood — “I’ll make sure you and your family starve”
    • Fear-induced paralysis — freeze response is documented, common, and not consent
    • Authority figure — if the man is her employer, a relative, or someone with power over her family
    • Shame or confusion — especially in a child who may not fully understand what is happening
    • Previous threats — “No one will believe you”

    A Muslim would never attribute such sick and deperaved reasoning to Jesus (upon whom be peace). Let alone attribute this to God Almighty!

    Context of (Deuteronomy 22:22-28) shows that verse 28-29 is non consensual.

    Notice that Deuteronomy 22:22-28 is split into two sections.

    Case 1 and Case 2 which indicate consent. and Case 3 and 4 which showcase cohercision.

    “But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.” The word translated ‘rapes her’ in verse 25 is the Hebrew word

    The word translated “rapes her” in verse 25 is the Hebrew (wə·he·ḥĕ·zîq).

    chazaq means:  To be strong, to strengthen, to harden, to prevail, to take hold of

    Source: (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/2388.htm)

    “If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered.”

    The word translated as “rapes her” in verse 28 is the Hebrew (ū·ṯə·p̄ā·śāh)

    taphas. Meaning: To seize, capture, grasp, take hold of

    Source: (https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8610.htm)

    So it is very clear that verse is speaking of cohercision as it comes under the section dealing with cohercision.

    Betrothed vs. unbetrothed — the father’s property distinction

    The only reason the rapist is punished is in the previous text is because she belongs to another man.

    In Deuteronomy 22:22-27, if a betrothed virgin is raped in the city and does not cry out, she is executed alongside the rapist (presumed consent). See Case 2 mentioned above.

    If a betrothed virgin is raped in the field, only the man dies (she is presumed innocent). See Case 3 mentioned above.

    The difference is property rights — a betrothed woman belongs to another man. An unbetrothed virgin belongs to her father. The rape of an unbetrothed virgin is a property crime against the father (hence the fine paid to him), not primarily a crime against the person of the girl.

    That is why:

    • A betrothed woman’s rape is adultery against the husband (death penalty)
    • An unbetrothed woman’s rape is theft from the father (50 shekels + marriage)

    The woman herself is not the primary rights-holder in either case.

    That is precisely why the law given to us by the Christian Jesus is abhorrent by modern standards: it treats the rape of a child or unmarried woman as a financial and marital offense against her male guardian, not as a violent crime against her. It’s this dehumanization of women by the Christian Jesus that has left many Christians devesated and soul searching.

    The Septuagint — biasamenos (by force)

    The Greek translation (LXX) uses βιασάμενος  biasamenos — from biazō, meaning “to use force, to compel, to rape.” There is no ambiguity. The translators of the Septuagint (Jewish scholars centuries before Christianity) understood the Hebrew to mean forcible rape.

    Source: (https://www.septuagint.bible/-/deuteronomion-kephalaio-22)

    Source: (https://biblehub.com/greek/971.htm)

    There is no Christian case to be made against the Blessed Prophet Muhammed (saw) based upon reports of him marrying Ayesha (ra). That is to say there is no consistent case. If one is to reject Islam because of the hadith reports that he married Ayesha (ra) at the age of 9, then the Christian is asking the Muslim to reject Christianity altogether.  There is no way the two models are morally equal.

    One is a claim not based upon the Qur’an but upon Islamic secondary sources that the Blessed Prophet Muhammed (saw) consensually married Ayesha (ra) at the age of 9. An source which is questioned by Islamic scholars.

    The other is a claim that the Christian Jesus gave us a law where a man who rapes a young female virgin at the age of 6 or 9 pays 50 shekels of silver to her father and then marries the young female virgin. This was done without her consent. Such a law is not found in the oral tradition but in the very heart of the sacred text of the Christians and Jews.

    No morally sound person could ever consider Christianity knowing that the Christian Jesus gave such scuzzy and crummy laws.

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