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Dr. Mahmoud Ismail: The Khawarij – Victims of History. Ali initially agreed with the Khawarij.

“And do not conceal the testimony, for whoever conceals it, their hearts are indeed sinful. And Allah knows what you do.” (Qur’an 2:283)

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The following snippet is part of a much larger program with Dr. Mahmoud Ismail.

The episode is titled: The Kharijites, History’s Wronged

Again, as with others, it is unfortunate the nomenclature of the word ‘Kharijite’ or ‘Khawarij’. It is something we are unfortunately going to be accustomed to by historians and academics.

“They were the most loyal soldiers of Ali. Firstly, they were from the Qurra’, who read the Qur’an, recite it, and teach it. They taught in the Masjids of Basra and Kufah.”

“They were the most loyal to Ali and the bravest.”

“They rejected arbitration from the beginning, opposite to the Sunni narrations and some Shi’i ones, which say they forced Ali to accept arbitration. Then they turned around and forced him to reject it! This never happened! I have written about this with evidence. Text has been cited with high importance and relevance.”

Their banner was: “There is no rule except from Allah.”

“Everyone pledged to Ali except a man from the Levant called Muawiyah bin Abi Sufian-from the off-hand Muslims. You understand? The accusation of accepting arbitration they distanced themselves from the camp of Ali. They headed to a village called Harura.So they were called ‘Harauris’. These are those who rejected it(arbitration) from the beginning. So how can it be when the results of abritration came they reject it? Ali was with their opinion. The opinion of the Khawarij. Hence, when Ali sent Ibn Abbas to debate them he said be nice witih them, speak to them softly. Ali was with the opinion of Khawarij. However, he indeed was forced. Who forced him? Who forced him to accept arbitration? Al-Ash’ath Bin Qaid Al-Kindi.”

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In fact, they quote a Sunni historical source as a provocative claim about Abu Bakr (ra) in regards to the house of Fatima (ra). Yet these same Shi’a do not ponder the implications of someone so hated by Abu Bakr (ra) being among one the confidents of Imam Ali!

“Yes, I am not upset for anything in this world, except three things I have done and I wish I had not done them and three things I have not done and I wish I had done them and three things I wish I had asked the Prophet (saw). But what I wish I had not done, first is that I wish I had not invaded the house of Fatima even if they closed it to me for war, second is that I wish I had not burned Fuja’a Sullami and instead I either had killed or released him. The third is that I wish on the Day of Saqifa, I had left the caliphate on either of these two men ‘Umar or Abu ‘Ubayda that one of them would become the caliph and I would become his minister.

But the three things I did not do and wish I had: the first is that when Al-Ash’ath bin Qais was brought to me in captivity, I wish I had struck his neck, because I suspect he will enforce evil wherever he finds it; and the other one is that I wish when I sent Khalid Bin Waleed to the battle of the apostates I had remained at Zil Qissah so that I could help the army if they were defeated; and the third one, I wish that when I delegated Khalid to Sham I had sent Omar to Iraq so that I had opened my two hands in the cause of Allah.

Then he opened his hands and added:

I wish I had asked the Messenger of Allah (saw)that to whom the caliphate belonged, so that nobody would go to war on it; and I wish I had asked him did Ansar have any right in this matter; and I wish I had asked him if the the brother’s daughter and the father’s sister would inherit anything [from the deceased], because I’m not sure about it.

Source: (Târîkh Tabarî, v 3 p 429 ; Târîkh Ya’qûbî, v 2 p 137)

You really have to wonder how someone like Al-Ash’ath bin Qais, an apostate who came back to Islam and found such high favour, station and status in the ranks of Imam Ali.

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Who killed the companion Ammar ibn Yasir?

“But whoever kills a believer intentionally – his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allah has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment.” (Qur’an 4:93)

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Praise be to Allah (swt) for the noble and truthful companion Ikrima (ra). He is the one who informed us that Ali Ibn Abu Talib had errors in his ijtihad. That a senior member of the Ahl Bayt Ibn Abbas (ra) corrected Ali Ibn Abu Talib.

Ikrima (ra) informs us that Ali had errors in his ijtihad that would go against the Qur’an & Sunnah. That he would get corrected by a senior member of the Ahl Bayt.

Narrated `Ikrima:

“Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event reached Ibn Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6922)

This noble and truthful companion, Ikrima (ra), also informed us that Ammar bin Yasir (ra) would be killed by the rebel group.

Ikrima (ra) informs us that Ammar bin Yasir (ra) would be killed by the rebel group.

Narrated `Ikrima:

“That Ibn Abbas told him and `Ali bin `Abdullah to go to Abu Sa`id and listen to some of his narrations; So they both went (and saw) Abu Sa`id and his brother irrigating a garden belonging to them. When he saw them, he came up to them and sat down with his legs drawn up and wrapped in his garment and said, “(During the construction of the mosque of the Prophet) we carried the adobe of the mosque, one brick at a time while `Ammar used to carry two at a time. The Prophet (saw) passed by `Ammar and removed the dust off his head and said, “May Allah be merciful to `Ammar. He will be killed by a rebellious aggressive group. `Ammar will invite them to (obey) Allah and they will invite him to the (Hell) fire.”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2812)


Such a problem is the above sahih hadith that the Hanbali Ibn Taymiyyah al Harrani tried to come up with all kinds of crafty ways of dealing with the impact of the statement from the Blessed Messenger (saw).

Some have said that it is not authentic, and others have interpreted it. People have had different statements about the tradition of ‘Ammaar; of them are those who have criticized it.” He goes on: “But the people who have knowledge of this tradition have had three different statements. One group of them regards it to be inauthentic because to them, it has been narrated through a weak chain of transmitters!”

Source: (Ibn Taymiyyah Minhaju Al-Sunna Vol. 2, p. 204, 208-209 & 212)

So Ibn Tamiyyah has two claims.

  1. The tradition itself despite being in Bukhari is actually daif.
  2. It has a suitable interpretation.

The Imam of the Muslims, the People of The Truth and Steadfastness, Al-Imamu Al-Qannubi says: “We do not know whom Ibn Taymiyyah means by his claim “Some (have said that it is not authentic)….” There will come explanation that many have classified this tradition as authentic….”

Source: (Al-Qannubi Al-Tufan Al-Jarif Vol. 3, section two, p. 625)

But this interpretation has been objected to by even Ibn Taymiyyah himself!

Source: (Ibn Taymiyyah Minhaju Al-Sunna Vol. 2, p. 210-211)

But – all of a sudden – we, finally, find Ibn Taymiyyah himself turning around to clearly state that the said tradition is authentic. “The tradition is proved, and it is authentic, being from the Prophet (saw).”

Source: (Ibn Taymiyyah Minhaju Al-Sunna Vol. 2, p. 211)

Yet, surprisingly, he has misinterpreted it by saying: “His killers were those who held weapons and killed him.” Which he means to say not Mu’awiya!!! He says again: “The word “killer”, if loosely or absolutely used, means the one that has killed: not the one that has issued the order (of killing).”

This bizarre philosophy of Ibn Taymiyyah indicates that if he were to live in the present age, he would – of course – agree with the claim that presidents are not responsible for the crime of the illegal, haphazard bloodshed committed by their armies in different Muslim and non-Muslim countries, but rather their troops are the ones responsible for that! Indeed, while Ibn Taymiyyah defends Mu’awiya in that way, we find that Mu’awiya himself proves him wrong, as he says: “Ali had two right hands (two strong assistants and supporters), one of which I cut on the day of Siffin, meaning ‘Ammaar bin Yasir; and the other I cut today, meaning Al-ashtar”

Source: (Al-Tabari Al-Taarikh Vol. 3, p. 133. Ibn Al-Athir Al-Kamil Vol. 2, p. 705.)

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Not only this but here is a tradition that contradicts Ibn Taymiyyah’s bizarre idea. The tradition says:

Not only this, but here is a tradition that contradicts Ibn Taymiyyah’s bizarre idea. The tradition says:

“He who assists with a half-uttered word in the killing of a Muslim, will come on the day of judgment between his two eyes there has been written “He has despaired of the Mercy of Allah.”

Source: (Al-Rabi’u bin Habib Al-Jami’u Al-Sahih p. 368, tradition no. 960. Ibn Majah Al-Sunan p. 444, tradition no. 2620. )

How does it come, then, that Ibn Taymiyya excludes the one from whose order the killing is carried out from being responsible for it?!

Typically, many Sunnis have used these tactics to get around this hadith. Even some of the early proto-Umayyad-proto-Sunnis say that the ones who slew Ammar ibn Yasir were the ones who brought him to the battlefield, meaning Ali ibn Abu Talib himself!

However, pro-Alid groups have tried to cast aspersions on this narrator, Ikrima, as well! 

You can’t have your cake and eat it too! You can’t use ‘Ikrima as evidence against Muaviya and then say his evidence is not good when it comes to Ibn Abbas (ra) disagreeing with Ali burning people alive. 

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What really happened at the battle of Siffin? The Ibadi perspective.

“Moreover, if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah. And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.” (Qur’an 49:9)

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Setting the Historical Record Straight.

All praise be to Allah. Those who are not thankful to people are not thankful to Allah. I want to thank our teacher, Shaykh Hilal Al Wardi, a brilliant man who has been patient with us in answering our questions. I want to thank Tanweer Oqul -the servant of Allah.

The aim and objective of this article is to seek and to prove that those companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) who differed with Imam Ali’s decision for arbitration were on the right path.

This is a subject in which many Ibadi is well acquainted. In summer camps throughout Oman by the time many youths are in the 10th grade they can give you a recounting of the narrative, major figures in the battle of Siffin, as well as the Ibadi view.

That Imam Ali Ibnu Abu Talib was mistaken in seeking arbitration with Mu’awiya.

The first point to establish is that in hindsight all the sects among the Muslims agree that when Imam Ali was the commander of the faithful that his selection was legitimate.

1) The Sunni Muslims agree to this.
2) The Shi’i agree to this. Although, Shi’i believe it should have been earlier; however, they do not deny that his Imamate was legitimate.
3) The Ibadi Muslims agree to this.

In fact, the Ibadi are the first to accept without question the legitimacy of Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali.

The Shi’a believe that Ali was overlooked or outright usurped.
Imam Ali did not get rehabilitated into the Sunni paradigm until much later.

However, “Al Rashidun” or ‘rightly guided’ is a loaded Sunni theological terminology which seeks to indicate that the Caliphs or Imams of the early Muslims were beyond reproach.

ʿAdālat aṣ-Ṣaḥābah (عدالة الصحابة) is translated as uprightness of the companions. They may think this precludes them from major or minor sins. The Sunni scholars will often say that major sins were done before Islam. So the masses think that uprightness means free from sins.


This is mistaken.

However, the swerve comes when it comes to acts of injustice. They will add a caveat that it was not done intentionally. It is simply a matter of ijtihād. This, of course, is based upon aprior commitments to a particular doctrinal commitment.

That the collective impunity of the Companions was a later construct of the Sunni worldview is evident when one finds occasional minor Companions listed in early books of weak hadith transmitters.”
Source: (Hadith: Muhammed’s Legacy in the Medieval and Modern World’ by Dr Jonathan Brown page 88)


We can clearly see the emotionalism attached to the defense of the character of the companions by statements from Ibn Main.


“The shaykh of Imam Bukhari, Ibn Ma’in where he said about someone who critiqued a companion, calling the man ‘a sucker of his mother’s clitoris’.”

Source: (Hadith: Muhammed’s Legacy in the Medieval and Modern World’ by Dr Jonathan Brown page 87)


“There are even reports from the early historian al-Mada’ini that Mu’awiya encouraged systematic forging and circulation of hadiths affirming the virtues of the caliphs and companions at Ali’s expense.” (cited from Al-Mada’ini’s Kitab al-ahdath; Ahmad b Sa’d al-Din al-Miswari, Al Risala al-munqidha min al-ghiwaya fi turuq al riwaya, pp. 51-55)”
This citation is found in Dr Jonathan Browns book:
“Hadith Muhammad’s Legacy in the Medieval and Modern World page 70.”

This is also noted in one of the earlier books of Sunni creed: Al-Aqidah al-Tahawiyyah or the Creed of Imam al-Tahawiyyah. Under the section: الثَّنَاءُ عَلَى الصَّحَابَةِ (Praise for the Companions)

وَنُحِبُّ أَصْحَابَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَلَا نُفَرِّطُ فِي حُبِّ أَحَدٍ مِنْهُمْ وَلَا نَتَبَرَّأُ مِنْ أَحَدٍ مِنْهُمْ وَنُبْغِضُ مَنْ يُبْغِضُهُمْ وَبِغَيْرِ الْخَيْرِ يَذْكُرُهُمْ وَلَا نَذْكُرُهُمْ إِلَّا بِخَيْرٍ وَحُبُّهُمْ دِينٌ وَإِيمَانٌ وَإِحْسَانٌ وَبُغْضُهُمْ كُفْرٌ وَنِفَاقٌ وَطُغْيَانٌ

“We love the companions of the Messenger of Allah, (saw). We do not exaggerate in our love for any of them, nor do we disown any of them.”

Here there should be a subtext: “Except the Muhakkima in general and Ahl al-Nahrawan in particular.” Did Imam Al Tahawi distinguish between major /minor companions? He did not.

So, the position that the companions could do no wrong is a deeply rooted theological position among Sunni Muslims. Thus, any conversation on this subject must be done while bearing this in mind.

Suffice it to say that the verse we will come to examine further, pushes back against this idea.

Analyzing the text of Qur’an 49:9

“Moreover, if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah. And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.” (Qur’an 49:9)

The English translations do not convey very important yet subtle points.

First point to take note of. Before identifying which party is the aggressor, Allah says “from the believers” and not “two believing groups, commanding reconciliation because mistakes may occur.

As stated: ‘It is not for a believer to kill another believer except by mistake.’  (Qur’an 4:92)

Through reconciliation, the aggressor party becomes known and must repent to remain within the circle of faith. If they persist in their aggression, then fighting them becomes obligatory – this being one of Allah’s prescribed limits (hudud), like the punishments for theft, slander, adultery, brigandage, and alcohol consumption.

Note that Allah (swt) said that if two factions fight that we fight the one that oppresses the other. So, can it be said that the oppressor is just?

Whoever violates these divine limits must face the prescribed punishment, even if they possess true spiritual guardianship (wilayat al-haqiqah). This is why Ammar (Ra) fought against the Mother of the Believers (Aisha -May Allah be pleased with her) in the Battle of the Camel while still affirming her status.

“The Prophet (saw) said, “While I was sleeping, a group (of my followers were brought close to me), and when I recognized them, a man (an angel) came out from among (us) me and them, he said (to them), ‘Come along.’ I asked, ‘Where?’ He said, ‘To the (Hell) Fire, by Allah’ I asked, ‘what is wrong with them’ He said, ‘They turned apostate as renegades after you left.’ Then behold! (Another) group (of my followers) were brought close to me, and when I recognized them, a man (an angel) came out from (me and them) he said (to them); Come along.’ I asked, “Where?’ He said, ‘To the (Hell) Fire, by Allah.’ I asked, what is wrong with them?’ He said, ‘They turned apostate as renegades after you left. So, I did not see anyone of them.”
Source: (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6587)

I said to ‘Ammar: What is your opinion about that which you have done in case? Is it your personal opinion or something you got from Allah’s Messenger (saw)? ‘Ammar said: We have got nothing from Allah’s Messenger (saw) which people at large did not get, but Hudhaifa told me that Allah’s Apostle (saw) had especially told him amongst his Companion, that there would be twelve hypocrites out of whom eight would not get into Paradise, until a camel would be able to pass through the needle hole. The ulcer would be itself sufficient (to kill) eight. So far as four are concerned, I do not remember what Shu’ba said about them.

Source: (https://sunnah.com/muslim:2779a)

Narrated Abu Maryam Abdullah bin Ziyad Al-Aasadi:

“When Talha, Az-Buair and Aisha moved to Basra, Ali sent Ammar bin yasir and Hasan bin Ali who came to us at Kufa and ascended to the pulpit. Al Hasan bin Ali was at the top of the pulpit and Ammar was below Al Hasan. We all gathered before him. I heard Ammar saying, “Aisha has moved to Al Busra. By Allah! She is the wife of your Prophet in this world and in the Hereafter. But Allah has put you to test whether you obey Him (Allah) or her (Aisha).”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7100)

So even though Aisha (ra) is acknowledged by Ammar bin Yasir (ra) to be the ‘wife of the Prophet in this world and in the Hereafter‘, he was not about to leave the dhahir (the apparent) evidence.

Notice he says: “Allah has put you to test whether you obey him (Allah) or her (‘Aisha)“.

Just as Ammar bin Yasir (ra) was not about to leave the Amr (Authority and command of Allah) regardless of the station of Aisha (ra) likewise at Siffin those insightful companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) were not about to leave the Amr (Authority and command of Allah) regardless of the station of Imam Ali.

Both the Sunni and Imami Shi’a are theologically invested in the battle of Siffin.

Do note dear reader that this is not just a matter of competing narratives. The consistency or lack of consistency is what is being measured.

Those who call themselves ‘Ahl Sunnah Wal Jammah’ -will grant that all this fighting and killing that took place among the companions was simply a matter of ijtihad.

Nevertheless, we will find some people who are confused about the matters during that time, mistaking the people of Nahrawan and not describing them as being guided in their view and mujtahids!

However, they describe Mu’awiya and Imam Ali as diligent and mujtahid !!!

Yet, the inconsistency is laid bare when we see that they do not afford this to those companions of the Blessed Prophet (saw) that differed with the decision of Imam Ali at Siffin. Instead, some of these blessed companions such as, Owais Al-Qurni, Hurqus ibn Zuhair Al-Sa’di, Abdullah ibn Wahb Al-Rasibi Al-Azdi, Zaid bin Husayn Al-Taie, Shajrah bin Aufa Al Salmi, Shuraih bin Uufa al-Abasi, Thermala bin Bani Handala, Nafi Mawla Thermala, Umair bi Al-Harith, Abu Amr bin Al-Nafi’, Hakam bin Amr Al-Ansari, Al-Khairat bin Rashid Al-Sami (May Allah be pleased with them all) are reviled as the dogs of the hellfire! (see note A)

Ahadith are inserted in the mouth of the Blessed Prophet (saw) without shame, or fear of Allah (swt).

For Imami Shi’a even more is at stake. If you have a doctrine that the Imams are infallible in their guidance and ‘ijtihad and even one error in judgement can be attributed to them it is game over. That whole doctrine becomes absolutely crushed.

Fighting & Killing each other: Simply a matter of Ijtihad?

Think about this:
Talha and Zubair fought against Ali.
Mu’awiya and Amr Ibn Al-As fought against Ali.
All sides killed many Muslims at the battle of Jamal and Siffin.
All of them are just.
Killing each other is simply a matter of ‘ijtihad’?
Ijtihad-to the point that if they were in error they would still get rewarded?!?

The illogical and inconsistent methodology that results from such a view.


We, the Muslims, The People of the Truth and Steadfastness do not agree that every ‘ijtihad’ is correct or rewarded. A Judge, for example, when hearing a dispute between two parties will not rule that both parties are right and should be compensated for their role in the dispute. An even more absurd conclusion would be if the Judge, after ruling that one party was right in its claim and awarding it; then turned to the other side, pardoned them and then awarded them for their wrongdoing. Is this a rational concept? If a Judge would never behave in such an unjust way, do you honestly believe that the greatest Judge of all, Allah (swt) would order us to act in this way? If we take this to its logical conclusion, then no one is entitled to criticize or resolve any disputes!

Imagine if one were to say to those people who claim that Muslims cannot rebel against their leaders, “In my ijtihad the ruler is unjust, so I wish to rebel against him!”

They would argue that this goes against firmly established evidence. Thus, the ijtihad of any Muslims cannot go against what is firmly established.

“Al-Harith ibn ‘Amr reported: The Messenger of Allah (saw), sent Mu’adh to Yemen and he said, how will you judge?” Mu’adh said, “I will judge according to the Book of Allah.” The Prophet said, “What if it is not in the Book of Allah?” Mu’adh said, “Then, with the Sunnah of the messenger of Allah.” The Prophet said, “What if it is not in the Sunnah of the messenger of Allah?” Mu’adh said, “Then, I will strive to form an opinion.” The Prophet said, “All praise is due to Allah, who has made suitable the messenger of the messenger of Allah.”


Source: (https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:1327)

Who or what really are the Khawarij?

Let us first say that this idea that the companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) that differed with Imam Ali over the arbitration, that they are the so-called ‘Khawarij’ it is simply a flat lie. (see note B)

It is a derogatory term perpetuated by both the Shi’a and the Umayyad rulers, as well as their intellectual descendants until this very day.
Even among the people today who perceive themselves as intellectuals and well-read they persist with these statements without a shred of evidence to support them.
It is used to “other” one’s opponents and to demonize them.

Inconsistency in the application of the term Khawarij

We need to make sure we have fair and consistent methodology before applying labels to people.
A) Ask your people (those whom you the reader trust) to define the term Khawarij.
What is the Arabic etymological root of the word and what does it mean in the Arabic language. Once this is done, please proceed to point B.

The meaning of khuruj is to go out, or to exit from.

تأشيرة خروج
tashirat khuruj -visa, exist visa
تسجيل خروج
tasjil khuruj- log out.
خروج عن النص
khuruj ‘ayn alnas -exit text.


B) Now with that definition in mind, ask on what consistent basis is this not applied to Talha and Zubair? Why are Talha and Zubair not called Khawarij for opposing Imam Ali?


Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib was the rightful Amir of Muslims at that time, was he not?
C) Now with that definition in mind ask on what consistent basis is this not applied to Mu’awiya or Amr ibn Al-As?

Why are Mu’awiya and Amr ibn al As not called a Khawarij for opposing Imam Ali?
Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib was the rightful Amir of the Muslims at that time, was he not?

So, Mu’awiya and Amr ibn al As are the Khawarij.

They are the one’s who went out from the Ummah. The rest of the Ummah recognize the Imamate of Ali Ibn Abu Talib and gave bay’ah


This in and of itself shows the supreme bias and inconsistency when the narrative is being told through the historical lenses of sectarianism.

The Creation of false Narratives.

Praise be to Allah (swt) who has put the truth in the mouth of the people of the opposition. (Ahl Khilaf)

As we saw above:
“There are even reports from the early historian al-Mada’ini that Mu’awiya encouraged systematic forging and circulation of hadiths affirming the virtues of the caliphs and Companions at Ali’s expense.” (cited from Al-Mada’ini’s Kitab al-ahdath; Ahmad b Sa’d al-Din al-Miswari, Al Risala al-munqidha min al-ghiwaya fi turuq al riwaya, pp. 51-55)”

This citation is found in Dr Jonathan Browns book: Hadith Muhammad’s Legacy in the Medieval and Modern World page 70

Dr Musa Al-Musawi (The grandson of Ayatollah Abul Hassan Al Isfahani) says the following:
“Although we believe that most of the forged narratives from the Imams, were forged after al-ghiba al-kubra (the disappearance of Al-Mahdi Al Muntadhar) …..but any impartial researcher will necessarily conclude that even during the time of the Shiite Imams, many narratives were fabricated and ascribed to the Imams, in the like manner as they were fabricated and attributed to the Prophet.”

Source: (al-Shi’a wa-l-tashih: al-Sira’ bayn al-shi’a wa-l-tashayyu'(the struggle between Shia and Shiism p. 135)

“Certainly, the researcher into accounts that the Shiites collected in their books which they authored between the fourth and fifth centuries A.H., will reach the extremely saddening results. For the efforts that were made by some of the Shiite narrators to undermine Islam were equal to the heavens and the Earth in gravity. And I suppose that those Shiite narrators did not merely intend to implant the Shiite beliefs in the hearts (of their followers), but they did also intend to destroy Islam, and everything connected to it.”

Source: (al-Shi’a wa-l-tashih: al-Sira’ bayn al-shi’a wa-l-tashayyu'(the struggle between Shia and Shiism p. 15)

The honesty and integrity of the so-called Khawarij.

‘Among all people who follow their desire, there have been no men whose traditions are authentic as the Khawarij
Source: (Al-Dhahabi Mizanu Al-Itidal Vol. 4 p. 156 in the biography of Imran bin Hittan)

Ibn Hajar agrees with this.
Source: (Ibn Hajar Hadyu Al-Sari: Muqaddimatu Alaa Fat-hi Albari p.611.)

Imam Al Sayuti also has a similar stance.

Source: (Al-Suyuti: Tadribu Al-Rawi p.285)

Now, when we consider what these giants among Sunni Muslims have said is it not bizarre that the so-called “Khawarij” are people on the one hand who follow their desire and yet strictly only narrate authentic traditions disregarding fabricated hadith, unlike the Shi’i and Sunni?


Ponder that for a moment….


Again, we have:
Dr Mustafa Al-Siba’i founder of the Syrian branch of the Muslim brotherhood states:
I have never discovered any narrative that has been fabricated by the Khawarij; I have made extensive research in books specially authored on fabricated traditions and narratives, I have never found any man among the Khawarij who has been regarded to be among the liars and fabricators of false traditions.…………. And I have searched for evidence which could have supported the allegation of ascribing to the Khawarij the act of forging traditions, but I have found that the evidence is contrary to that.”

Source: (Dr Al-Siba’i Al-Sunna Wa Makanatuha Fii Al-Tashrii Al-Islami p.99.)

Dr Muhammad Ajjaj Al Khatib, says:
” We have not detected, from the references that are close to us, anything indicating that the Khawarij have ever forged traditions, or even that they have depended upon them (upon forged traditions) in supporting their position and proving their claim.”

Source: (Dr Muhammad Ajaj Al-Khatib Al-Sunna Qabla Al-Tadwin p.204 – 205)

Ikrimah (ra) was an Ibadi
Omar bin Qais al-Makki said, on the authority of Ata: Ikrimah was an Ibadhi. And Ibrahim bin Yaqoub al-Jawzjani said: I asked Ahmed bin Hanbal about Ikrimah, he said: “He was of the opinion of the Ibadis.”
Source: (Refinement of Perfection for Mazi – Imam Jamal Al-Din Abi Al-Hajjaj Yusuf Al-Mazi)

Keep in mind that the historical accounts of what happened are told through historians who are in no way, shape, or form impartial to the events that have happened. Sometimes when telling the narrative of the opposition you make their position and counterarguments seem ludicrous or not well-thought-out.


It is what we call a clear misrepresentation.

We have for example people ascribing to Imam Ali some of the most incredulous statements.
Here is an excerpt from Khaled Abou El Fadl who co-authored a book with Joshua Cohen. By Allah I have possibly never read a more insulting portrayal of Imam Ali’s intelligence than I have from this excerpt.

It is not even so much about what is said about the so called “Khawarij” it is the injustice done to Imam Ali here! To think that he would use such infantile “arguments” is just beyond incredulous!

We see a Shi’a reformist and polemicist use the same type of convoluted thinking here:

” And and obviously the judgement of why do you have a qadi in courts then? You know tell tell the government of Oman to fire all the qadis. Who are they? Why are they bringing human agents? You know they should just put a Qur’an on the seat of the qadi; and let the Qur’an give the judgement.” -Syed Ali Hur (See note C)

The Ahl Khilaf (People of the Opposition) have been notorious for the mischaracterization of their opponents. (See note D)

Here is another point. Imam Ali and Mu’awiya are human beings. They can make ijtihad, and their ijtihad can be wrong. Only the Imami Shi’a will find this proposition difficult to agree with.

For the Sunni reading this you need to ask on what consistent basis can those companions (Talha, Zubair, Mu’awiya, Amr Ibn Al-As) fight Imam Ali and be known as just and acting upon personal ijtihad. Yet the same gratuity is not extended to those companions (Owais Al-Qurni, Hurqus ibn Zuhair Al-Sa’di, Abdullah ibn Wahb Al-Rasibi Al-Azdi) who differed with Imam Ali over the arbitration?

Instead, those companions are reviled and castigated as the ‘dogs of hellfire’?! (See note E)

How can one be commander of the faithful if they are commanded by the disobedient?

For the Imami Shi’i reading this. Think about this for a moment. Imam Ali -whom according to you is divinely appointed Imam was duped and manipulated by his own followers. Think about that for a moment. Take all the time you need.


The narrative ranges from the idea that this was a decision that Imam Ali willfully took. Thus, a more empowering image of him.

Or a narrative that he was forced by his followers. Such an image of Imam Ali shows that he is not the commander of the faithful; for how is that an individual be the ‘commander of the faithful’ when you are commanded by the disobedient?!


“Say, “Nothing will ever befall us except what Allah has destined for us. He is our Protector.” So, in Allah let the believers put their trust.” (Qur’an 9:51)

Imam Ali’s letters to Mu’awiya and their implication in all of this.
(feel free to consult whatever sources you trust).

(In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious Most Merciful). From the servant of Allah, Ali, leader of the Muslims, to Mu’awiya bin Sakhr! Oh Mu’awiya! You know very well that the Shura (to hold a consultative council on who should be a leader) is the privilege of the Muhajirin and the Ansar alone. If they agree on a person and appoint him to be an Imam (leader), Allah is content with that. If anyone goes outside their agreement by criticizing or by heretical innovations, they will have to take him back to the (Right Path from which) he has gone out. If he refuses, they will have to kill him because of his act to follow the way different from that of the Muslims.

Source: (Ibn A’atham Al-Futuh Vol. 2, p. 374.)
Source: (Ibn Abdi Rabih AL-Iqdu Al-Farid Vol. 4, p, 309.)
Source: (Al-Musawi in his Al-Tashihu p. 20, has also quoted it from Nahju Al Balagha Vol. 3, p.7)

In some of the Shi’a books, there is an account narrated from Imam Ali that he said to his followers:
“If anyone wants to disunite you and one wants to take this matter (of Islamic leadership) without Shura (holding a consultative council on who should be a leader), kill him. Truly, Allah the Most Exalted has ordered so”.

Source: (Ahmad Al Katib, Tatawuru Al Fikri Al Siyasi Al Shi’i p. 444, quoting it from Al Sadduuq’s Uyunu Al Akhbari, Vol. 2, p. 62)

So, when Imam Ali says “Kill him. Truly, Allah the Most Exalted has ordered so.”

Where did Imam Ali get this order from?
Well, he got it from the following:
“Moreover, if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the command of Allah. And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.” (Qur’an 49:9)

This verse is what gave Imam Ali the right to wage a war against Mu’awiya and his Syrian troops. Allah (swt) delegated no one to rule and decide on this issue.


So, remember Imam Ali is now the commander of the faithful and according to a certain faction of Muslims (infallible in his decision-making).


He was swift to bring the sword against Talha and Zubair just as he was against Mu’awiya.
No one is disputing Ali’s actions up until this point.

A major point of consideration. Please reflect upon this dear truth seekers.

The legitimate ‘Amr of the Muslims is without question Imam Ali. Again, remember the opening to this article. The Sunni, Shi’a and Ibadi all agree on this point.


Imam Ali is writing many letters to Mu’awiya. He is telling Mu’awiya that to investigate the murder of Uthman that he (Mu’awiya) would need to recognize the legitimate ‘Amr of the Muslims.


Thus, it is without question that Mu’awiya is in rebellion against the ‘Amr of the Muslims. If Mu’awiya was avenging Uthman did he create an alliance with Amr ibn al-As, and start this rival political sphere, against Imam Ali? Notably, once Mu’awiya was the Caliph of the Ummayad imperium; so why not bring the killers to justice then? Furthermore, why go against the established practice of the companions (who used shura) to select a ruler and transfer the power of the state to your own son?


Alas, how do you recognize the outcome of an investigation of a government that you do not recognize the legitimacy of? If you want to bring the killers of Uthman to justice, we can identify the killers and we can talk about qisas, but we cannot begin this process until you give bay’ah.  You cannot demand the rights of a judicial process to a government that you do not recognize. If you do not recognize the rights of the government how can you accept the outcome of it’s judiciary process?

This process is not something new to the companions or even Imam Ali himself.

At the Battle of Jamal, the opponents of Imam Ali admitted they were wrong and gave bay’ah and they submitted to the authority. Imam Ali was demanding the same from Mu’awiya (except, no one is claiming Mu’awiya is wrong for seeking justice for Uthman). However, the point mentioned above still stands.

The only thing that needed to be decided at the battle of Siffin is rather or not Mu’awiya gives bay’ah and you do not need an arbitration for that!

There is nothing to arbitrate. Do you or do you recognize the legitimate Imam of the Muslims?! Until you give bay’ah we continue fighting and if you do give bay’ah the fight is over.

“Moreover, if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah. And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.” (Qur’an 49:9)

The true believers and supporters of Imam Ali were quite shocked by this. He is reneging on the whole point of fighting Mu’awiya to begin with.


Finally, it has to be asked. Why did Imam Ali make it a condition for Mu’awiya to recognize him before they could talk terms but suddenly it is not a condition for the arbitration?

What did all those people loyal to Imam Ali die for? They were killed, many of them maimed, losing their loved ones and suddenly it’s like “Yeah all that about submitting to my authority, never mind!”
What?!

This makes the whole reason for Imam Ali to fight Mu’awiya to seem incompressible. The reason he is fought is because he (Mu’awiya) is a rebel (baghi), and he has no rights to ask for anything until he gives bay’ah.

Not only this but it gets worse. If we are to believe that Imam Ali thought it was a ruse to begin with then it means he was not sincere in accepting the arbitration. Also, if he went into the arbitration with even the slightest feeling that if the outcome were not favourable to him, he would not accept it -it also means he would not be sincere. Arbitrators come to decisions we do not necessarily agree with. You cannot latter say the decision of the arbitrator is null and avoid because than you look fickle.

The charges against Mu’awiya are crystal clear.

  1. He never gave bay’ah to the Amir al-Mu’minin.
  2. He took up arms against a legitimate Muslim government.
  3. He caused the unnecessary death of hundreds if not thousands of believers.
  4. He never avenged the so called murder of Uthman; even when usurping power.
  5. Feigned a pretext of unity only when Byzaintines threatened his territory.
  6. Went against the ‘ijma of the companions of shura by electing his son to office.

Mu’awiya and many of his people did not accept Islam until the conquest of Mecca and it was clear that Islam would be the clear victor. And likewise among the camp of Mu’awiya is the one expelled by the Messenger of Allah (saw) himself! That one is Hakam ibn al-‘As!

The one whom the blessed Messenger (saw) made the following du’a about him.

“I was playing with children that Allah’s Messenger (saw) happened to pass by (us). I hid myself behind the door. He (the Prophet) came and patted my shoulders and said: Go and call Mu’awiya. I returned and said: He is busy in taking food. He again asked me to go and call Mu’awiya to him. I went (and came back) and said that he was busy in taking food, whereupon he said: May Allah not fill his belly! Ibn Muthanna, said: I asked Umm Umayya what he meant by the word Hatani. He said: It means “he patted my shoulders.”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/muslim:2604a)

Busy with the food when called by the Messenger of Allah (saw)!

The historical sources have Mu’awiya himself saying: “Ali had two right hands (two strong assistants and supporters), one of which I cut on the day of Siffin, (meaning ‘Ammar bin Yasir); and the other I cut today, (meaning Al-Ashtar).”

Source: (Al-Tabari Al-Taarikh Vol. 3, p. 133. Ibn Al-Athir Al-Kamil Vol. 2, p. 705.)

“Let us raise the copies of the Holy Qur’an” on the spearheads as a sign of wishing to cease the war “So that we may stop ‘Ali’s forces and weaken their strength.”
Source: (l-Ya’aqubi Tarikh al-Yaqubi Vol. 2, p. 188.)

All of these evidences were strongly present among the loyal believers of the people of Nahrawan. And all the events that followed this confirmed the sincerity and strength of the view of the people of Nahrawan

There is no doubt that sincere believers see the light of Allah!!

The allegations against the companions (Ahl Narhawan) of the Prophet (saw) that differed with Imam Ali’s decision for arbitration.

1) They are condemned for suggesting the idea of arbitration -They were Pro Arbitration
2) They are condemned for not agreeing to the idea of arbitration) -They were Anti Arbitration
3) They seceded from the authority of Imam Ali

Note even some have been so vile as to say that those companions (Ahl Narhawan) who forced Imam Ali into arbitration even made threats to kill Hassan and Hussein!

We are going to put that to bed right here and now!

The first point.

I want you the reader to think about your love for Imam Ali. How much do you love him? Think about that intensity and that passion.
What does it say about the so-called Shi’a of Imam Ali or the supporters of Imam Ali that if someone was to suggest such a thing about Hassan and Hussein -that they (the supporters of Imam Ali) would not remove the heads of such vile creatures at once! How is that you the reader would have more animosity towards those who would propose such a vile action while those who were present were unmoved?

This and of itself is cause for reflection.

The second point.


We have the following from Imam Ali that says one of the reasons he did not want to press the attack was the fear of losing Hassan and Hussein to the forces of Mu’awiya

“Then he (Imam Ali) went to a close area, he met Abdullah Bin Wadimah Al Ansari, He got closer to him and asked him: What did you hear people saying about our matter (the arbitration)? He replied: Some like it, some hate it. The people as Allah said: (They are still in difference), He said: what does the people of opinion say? He said: They said that Ali had a great united front and he scattered them, and a strong fort so he destroyed it. So when will he build again what he destroyed, and when would he unite what he scattered? Only if he moved on with those who obeyed him when some disobeyed, and fought until he wins or dies, that is determination! Ali said: I destroyed it or they did? Did I divide it or did they divide it? And for when they said if only he moved on with those who obeyed him when some disobeyed, and fought until he wins or dies! (Imam Ali replies) “By Allah this opinion wasn’t hidden from me, even though I am generous with myself from this life and deal well with death I strived to attack the people, but I saw these two – referring to Hassan and Hussein – Then I saw these two have gone in front of me -Abdullah Bin Jafar and Muhammed Bin Ali- So I knew that if those two die the offspring of Muhammed would be cut off, so I disliked this, and I feared that those two would die. I knew if it wasn’t for my position they wouldn’t have gone to the front. By Allah if I met them after this day I would meet them and they are not with me in an army nor in a house.

Source: (Waqat Siffin -Nasr bin Muzahim Al Munqari pgs 529-530)

Prima Qur’an comments:

You read for yourself. That is not an Ibadi or Sunni source. That one is from Shi’a sources.

Notice that the true loyalist of Imam Ali wanted to press the attack. Even with the traitors in their midst. Imam Ali acknowledges this when he states: “By Allah this opinion wasn’t hidden from me.” However, it was Imam Ali himself who did not like the idea of pressing the attack because he feared that Hassan and Hussein would be killed in the battle , thus the descendants of the Blessed Prophet (saw) would come to an end.

This is contrary to those who claim that those in his own army threatened the lives of Hassan and Hussein unless he (Imam Ali) sued for arbitration.

The irony of this is that it was not pressing the attack that ended up being the cause of death and ruin for the descends of the Blessed Prophet (saw). Imam Ali knew in his heart that this arbitration is wrong. However; his decision for arbitration brought about that which he feared any how. That is the treachery that befell Hassan and Hussein. Hassan via poisoning and the tragedy of Karbala is well known.

Say, “Nothing will ever befall us except what Allah has destined for us. He is our Protector.” So in Allah let the believers put their trust.” (Qur’an 9:51)

Now which is it?
1) Imam Ali did not want to press the attack with Mu’awiya for fear that Mu’awiya and his forces will kill them.
2) Imam Ali was forced into arbitration by his own people under threat that they would kill Hassan and Hussein?

The third point.

For Instance, the account that quotes the companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) that went to Nahrawan as saying to Imam Ali about his acceptance of the true and later the arbitration: “That was a sin of which you have to repent.”

Source: (Al-Tabari, Al-Tarikh Vol. 6. P.18.)

Ali according to this account replied: “That was not a sin at all!”

Source: (Al Tabari Al-Tarikh Vol. 6. P.18.)

Accordingly, Imam Ali is reminding the companions of the Blessed Prophet (saw) of Al Nahrawan that it was they who insisted upon the idea of accepting the reconciliation. Surprisingly, in this narrative, when Imam Ali was asked to repent of his act of yielding to the Syrians’ demand for stopping the war and making peace he replied: “That was not a sin at all.”?

Now the obvious question that arises here is: If that was not a sin worthy of repentance, then why blame them for insisting on the arbitration if indeed it was the correct thing to do. If it was indeed they who responded favourably to it?

Also, if the act of arbitration was something good then it means that the companions of the Blessed Prophet (saw) in Nahrawan wanted the good thing and Imam Ali did not!

More contradictions than you can shake a stick at.

Another major contradiction in the Tabarian account is that

After the discussion between Imam Ali and the companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) at Nahrawan that: “All returned to join Ali”

Source: (Al-Tabari Al-Taarikh Vol. 6 p.13 Ibn Al-Athir, Al-Kamil Vol.2 -.679)

Prima Qur’an comments: Yet surprisingly in these accounts the purpose of Imam Ali to go to the companions of the Blessed Prophet (saw) in Nahrawan was to do with the alleged murder of Abdullahi bin Khabab.  Yet, in the same accounts Imam Ali does not even mention him he simply asks those people to rejoin in!

It also needs to be pointed out that in our school (The Ibadi School) we recognize four stages of the Imam. Different categories of the Imams. (See note F)

Manifestation (zuhur)
Defense (difa)
Sacrifice of one’s life (shira)
The Stage of Secrecy (kitman)

It needs to be pointed out that even after Imam Ali faltered at Siffin, the Muhakima (Companions of the Prophet in Nahrawan) kept asking Imam Ali to repent and they would rejoin him!

That is not hatred for a person. That is saying you faltered, acknowledged it and we will rejoin your campaign. As long as you (Imam Ali) accept it (arbitration) as false and it is the wrong decision and repent and we will rejoin you.


Imam Ali refused to do so.

Imam of defense (difa) is a temp Imam (interim Imam) which is what Imam Wahb Ar Rasibi (ra) was when appointed as the Imam for the battle of Al Nahrawan. Had they succeeded in the battle than a council (shura) would be formed to decide on the commander of the faithful (The Manifest Imam) -which Imam Ali previously was.

The fourth point.

من كتاب شرح نهج البلاغة :

“فأتى الأشعث عليا (ع)، فقال: يا أمير المؤمنين، أن الناس قد تحدثوا أنك رأيت الحكومة ضلالا والإقامة عليها كفرا، فقام على (ع) يخطب، فقال:

👈من زعم أنى رجعت عن الحكومة فقد كذب، ومن رآها ضلالا فقد ضل👉، فخرجت حينئذ الخوارج من المسجد فحكمت”.

Al-Ash’ath ibn Qays said: O Amir al-Mu’minin, The people said that you saw the arbitration as misguidance, and establishing upon it is disbelief. So Ali stood up and addressed this: “Whoever claims that I reconsider arbitration has lied, and whoever sees it (arbitration) as a misguidance then he is misguided.” So the Khawarij exited the Masjid and they accepted arbitration.”

Source: (Nahjul Balagha pg. 401)

A variation of the above narrative is found In the book: Ali: The Elixir of Love -Jalal Moughania

The abridged version (No doubt for the purpose of story telling) has as follows:

“The band of the Khawarij lowered their arms and followed Ali. Six thousand men entered into his fold and returned with him to Kufa. When they settled in Kufa, they began spreading a rumor that Ali has retracted his position on the arbitration and saw it as a deviant thing.

“The Commander of the Faithful is waiting for the treasury to be filled and for the resources to be reinforced, and then he will launch his campaign against Syria,” they said.

When Ali got wind of this, he spoke to the people in the mosque of Kufa and set the record straight. “Whoever claimed that I have retracted from the arbitration has lied, and whoever saw it as a deviance, then he is more deviant.” The Khawarij left the mosque, shouting “The verdict is for Allah alone.”

Source: (Ali: The Elixir of Love -Jalal Moughania pgs. 161-162)

Prima Qur’an comments: Not sure the source material that Jalal Moughania has relied upon for his narrative. However, the source for the above information is clear. How can it be said that companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) at Nahrawan forced Imam Ali into arbitration when it is clear as daylight that they were against it and saw it as deviance. Contrary to that, Imam Ali is reported to have said that ‘those who saw it as misguidance/deviance are the ones upon misguidance/deviance.’

The fifth point.

“The liar is he who alleges that I have withdrawn myself from the arbitration. Let me tell you; whoever regards the arbitration to be straying from the right path, it is who has gone astray.”

Source: (Al Mubarrid, Al Kamil Vol 2. pg 605)

The sixth point

The Qurraa repeatedly went to ‘Ali to beseech him not to agree with what Mu’awiya demanded, but ‘Ali gave a deaf ear to their advice. Finally, seeing that ‘Ali was reluctant to agree with them, the four thousand Qurraa (the learned ones) decided to abandon him and set out for a village of Al-Harauraa near Al-Kufa in Iraq where they appointed their new Imam with the object of – in the common Islamic phrase – enjoining what is just and forbidding what is evil. Their decision to disconnect themselves from the central leadership came as a result of ‘Ali’s position towards this crisis; for they found that what he did was contrary to the clear verse of the Qur’an.

Source: (Al-Tabari Al-Taarikh Vol. 6, p. 12.)

The seventh point.

Al-Khawarij came and we, at that time, referred to them as Al-Qurraa .When they came they were placing their swords on their shoulders. They said (to ‘Ali): ‘Oh Amir al-Mu’minin, what are we waiting for about these people who are on the hill; why not go to them with our swords until Allah passes His judgment between us and them?

Sources: (Ibn Abi Shaiba Al-Musannaf Vol. 8, p. 736, narrative no. 34. Ahmad Al-Musnad Vol. 5, p. 484, hadith no. 16071. Abu Ya’ala Al-Musnad Vol. p. 365. Al-Sabi’i has also quoted it from Al-Minqari’s book entitled Siffin p. 497.)

The eighth point.

The Shi’a and the Sunni both have in their historical records that Ibn Abbas (ra) was sent to debate with those companions that were at Narhawan. The reason he was sent to debate was to convince them that arbitration was the correct thing to do. If they were already pro arbitration why try to convince the convinced? Why preach to the converted?

Arguments used by Ibn Abbas (ra) and their refutation by the companions of the Blessed Prophet (saw) that resided in Nahrawan.

Now dear readers if you go to websites that mention the exchange between Ibn Abbas (ra) and the companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) at Nahrawan you are not given their rebuttal. Imagine if a debate happened between Christians and Muslims and the Christians edited the debate and/or only showed their side of the debate without showing the Muslim response to the Christians arguments. Would we deem this just?


So let us look at the evidence that was brought forward by Ibn Abbas (ra) to convince the companions of Nahrawan about arbitration.
The following are proof text put forward by Ibn Abbas (ra) to justify Ali’s arbitration with Mu’awiya

Argument #1


“O you who believe! Kill not game while in the sacred precincts or in pilgrim garb. If any of you does so intentionally, the compensation is an offering, brought to the Ka’ba, of a domestic animal equivalent to the one he killed, AS ADJUDGED BY TWO JUST MEN AMONG YOU; or by way of atonement, the feeding of the indigent; or its equivalent in fasts: that he may taste of the penalty of his deed. Allah forgives what is past: for repetition, Allah will exact from him the penalty. For Allah is Exalted, and Lord of Retribution.” (Qur’an 5:95)

As adjudged by two just men among you’. Keep this in mind as well. This is a key part of the text.

The companions of the Blessed Prophet (saw) replied:

“Are you comparing the law relating to the killing of game animal on the sacred land or the law that is intended to resolve the misunderstandings that occur between a man and his wife, with the law that is intended to govern the matters of greater magnitude such as the act of shedding of Muslims’ blood?”
Source: (Al-Tabari, Al-Taarikh Vol. 6, p. 13.)

So, through qiyas (analogy), it is logical to reason that in the above verse during the pilgrimage that someone kills a game animal they are ordered to compensate the following judgement by two just men than it stands to reason the shedding of Muslims blood has a better claim to be dealt with diplomatically.
In response to what Ibn Abbas (ra) had presented, the companions of the Blessed Prophet (saw) argued that there is a significant difference between the verses Ibn Abbas (ra) refereed to and the verse which is used to justify Ali’s war against Mu’awiya.

In the verses Ibn Abbas (ra) referred to, Allah did not mention any ruling, nor did He make any decision between contending parties, instead, He assigned the task of arbitrating to men. On that point, there is no issue with Ibn Abbas (ra) and his thought process here.

However, in the verse which gave Ali the right to fight the war against Mu’awiya, Allah (swt) Himself has mentioned step by step the measures that should be taken and decided on. What should be done at each step?

Thus, Allah (swt) lays down the ruling in this case. The verse states:
“Moreover, if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah. And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.” (Qur’an 49:9)

Also, another point concerning the text that Ibn Abbas brought forth.
Naturally, people would ask “Are you saying Amru bin Al-As is a man of justice when it was, he who spilled our blood yesterday? If you believe that he is just then we (including you -Ibn Abbas and Ali) are not just because we all fought the war against Mu’awiya and Amru bin Al-As who are just!”
So, the unfilled questions from Ibn Abbas (ra) were.
A) Were there two arbitrators or one?
B) Were they just or unjust?

To the Shi’i reading this (Zaydi and Imami) I implore you to tell us. Who are the just ones in the camp of Mu’awiya? Can one who takes up arms against Ali be considered just? If you say yes then let that stand on the record.

How could a person think they are just and sincere in what they are doing?
That is why it is important to differentiate between ilmu al-dhahir (the knowledge of the seen) and ilmu al-ghaib (the knowledge of the unseen).

The former is where we, the human beings, are required to base our judgment on, whereas the latter is exclusively attributed to Allah. On this basis, if a man committed any wrong but his intention was good, then we – the people, having merely the knowledge which never goes beyond the limits of the visible world, are ordered to judge based upon the apparent.
In fact, in a sublime oral tradition attributed to the Blessed Messenger (saw) we read:
Allah’s Messenger (saw) said, “I have not been ordered by Allah to search the hearts of the people or cut open their bellies.”
Source: (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4351)

Those Sahabah, those Companions who differed with Imam Ali whom they saw clearly going against the book of Allah (swt) they were upon what Umar (ra) was upon.


They were upon what Umar (ra) was upon in the following sense:
They were following what Umar bin Al-Khattab said:
I heard ‘Umar bin Al- Khattab reported saying: “In the lifetime of Messenger of Allah (saw) some people were called to account through Revelation. Now Revelation has discontinued, and we shall judge you by your apparent acts. Whoever displays to us good, we shall grant him peace and security, and treat him as a near one. We have nothing to do with his insight. Allah will call him to account for that. But whoever shows evil to us, we shall not grant him security, nor shall we believe him, even if he professed that his intention is good.”
Source: (Riyad as-Salihin 395 Bukhari, Hadith 395)

So, what Umar ibn Al-Khattab was saying was that in the time of the Blessed Messenger (saw) people were called to account via revelation, the Qur’an and/or guidance directly from the Blessed Messenger (saw). Now with the revelation discontinued, and having the Qur’an and the Sunnah, we shall judge you by your apparent acts!

Ibn Abbas (ra) was quoted by Ahmad Ibn A’tham as saying:
“O, men! Amru bin Al’As was not an arbiter, why then oppose us because of him? He was but an arbiter representing Mu’awiya.”
Source: (Ibn A’tham, Al Futuh Vol. 4, p. 94.)

Is it imaginable that Ibn Abbas (ra) wanted to substantiate his position with a verse which strongly opposed him?
Naturally, our brothers from among the ‘Ahl Sunnah’ or the ‘Shi’i’ are either not informed about this side of the story or simply the learned among them withhold information. Allah (swt) sees and knows all.


Argument #2
Let us look at the other verse that is said that Ibn Abbas (ra) brought as proof.
“If you fear a breach between couples, send an arbiter from his people and an arbiter from her people. If the couple desire to put things right, Allah will bring about a reconciliation between them. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.” (Qur’an 4:35)

This verse orders us to reconcile between a man and his wife in case of misunderstanding or breach. But the steps that ought to be taken when resolving such domestic disputes have not been mentioned. The arbiters are generally required to do their best, in being fair and just, to reach a peaceful, acceptable resolution for the concerned parties.

When you compare the two mentioned verses you will notice that they are intended for different purposes.
In the verse which gave Ali the right to wage war against Mu’awiya, Allah (swt) delegated no one to rule and decide on the issue. But He rather ordered the believers to abide by what He had ruled.

On the other hand, what Ibn Abbas (ra) armed himself with, was the verse that Allah (swt) granted deciding on a role to two fair and just arbiters. That is a clear and a huge difference between the two verses. So, we can say with confidence that Ibn Abbas’s analogy of linking this verse with the conflict of war between Ali and Mu’awiya is debatable.


It does not seem suitable for a person of his stature and understanding. Now as mentioned above Ibn Abbas (ra) after hearing all of this knew very well that the arguments produced by the companions of the Blessed Prophet (saw) that were in Nahrawan were airtight!

One thing that neither those who call themselves ‘Ahl Sunnah’ or ‘Shi’a’ can do is to cover up the cooling of relations between Ibn Abbas (ra) and Imam Ali.


Ibn Abbas (ra) was with Imam Ali in his campaigns with those companions who opposed Ali at Battle of the Camel and those companions who opposed Ali at Siffin. However, he was nowhere to be found in Imam Ali’s campaign against the companions at Nahrawan.

This same Ibn Abbas (ra) who said after his debate with the sahaba of Al Nahrawan the following:
“(The People of Nahrawan) have been on the Right Path

Source: (Al-Shammakhi, Al-Siyar Vol. 1 p, 72,)

Another account says concerning Ibn Abbas (ra) and his debate with the companions of the Blessed Prophet (saw) that were in Nahrwan that he (Ibn Abbas) “Could not crush their proofs.

Source: (Abu Qahtaan, Al-Siyar p. 107)

Another narration says he (Ibn Abbas) went back from this exchange with them: “Without being able to do anything.”

Source: (Al-Tabari, Al-Taarikh Vol 6, p 18, Al-Barrad Al-Jawaahir p. 122)

“He could not prove anything to them! “

Source: (Ibn Abi Shaibah, Al-Musannaf Vol. 15, p. 312)

“The Nahrawanees established their proofs to him (Ibn Abbas).”

Source: (Al-Ya’qubi, Al-Taarikh Vol. 2 p. 191)

Look at what Ibn Abbas (ra) says here:

“I swear by Allah, it is better for me that I meet Allah with all that are beneath the Earth, starting with its gold and silver, and all that its surface is full of than meeting Him with my hands having split the blood of this umma (Islamic Nation) so that I may attain a kingship or leadership.” -Ibn Abbas

OUCH!
Source: (Al-Baladhuri, Al Ansab Vol 2, p 398. Ibn Abd Rabbi, Al- ‘Iqdu Al-Farid Vol. 4, p. 326. Al Futuh by Ibn A’atham Vol. 4, p.75)

“If my act of taking money was wrong, that could be easier to me than taking part in shedding the blood of a believer.” -Ibn Abbas.

OUCH AGAIN!
Source: (Al-Qalhati, Al-Kashf Vol 2, p 251. Ibn Abdi Rabih, Al-Iqdu Al-Farid Vol. 4, p. 331.)

It is very clear from the that Ibn Abbas (ra) had developed a disapproving attitude towards the war fought against the companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) in Al Nahrawan. A complete change of heart from the previous conflicts.


It is clear, in this war with the companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) at Al Nahrawan, Ibn Abbas (ra) found fault with Imam Ali and condemned him for his unjustifiably wrong act of fighting those fellow companions. Those companions who fought and bled for him. Those true companions that would have fought shoulder to shoulder with Imam Ali against that rebel, Mu’awiya until the bitter end.
After he was sent debate with them Ibn Abbas (ra) realized where the truth laid. He accepted that he (Ibn Abbas) was wrong and the companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) in Al Nahrawan were right.


Certainly, there is a lesson to be learnt in this experience that the accurate criteria with which to draw a distinction between right and wrong is not a coin-flip, but rather the Qur’an and authentic Prophetic traditions. After all, Imam Ali made his hasty decision in the heat of the moment and possibly did not consider the full ramifications of his decision.


When those companions of the Blessed Prophet (saw) who left Imam Ali’s camp answered Ibn Abbas (ra) and is objections clearly and decisively there was nowhere to go but the truth.

Having been fully convinced by the position of the companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) at Al Nahrawan and the evidence that they had for their succession from Imam Ali’s leadership, Ibn Abbas also detached himself from Imam Ali and set out for Mecca.
Source: (Al-Tabari, Al-Taarikh Vol 6, p. 20)

Even though one of the reasons why Ibn Abbas (ra) left Ali and set out to Mecca was from their differences in the bait al-mal (House of Treasury/House of Properties), from which Ibn Abbas (ra) took what he regarded to be his lawful portion of the money, their differences were compounded by the fact that they were on opposing sides of the issue concerning the companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) at Al Nahrawan.


Recall the statement:
“If my act of taking money was wrong, that could be easier to me than taking part in shedding the blood of a believer.”-Ibn Abbas.

In this statement Ibn Abbas (ra) is basically saying: If I disagreed with you on the issue of bait al-mal, then I am strongly opposing you on the issue of the People of Nahrawan. This was about the point in time where Ibn Abbas (ra) detached himself from Imam Ali’s leadership.

May Allah (swt) open the eyes of the truth seekers!

That in and of itself should be sufficient.

The removal of the title of Amir al-Mu’minin from the arbitration document.

This in and of itself for us shows the insincerity of Mu’awiya, the rebel.

Now, you will read in the sources of the Ahl Khilaf (people of opposition)-those opposed to us that Ibn Abbas (ra) said the following:

“As for ‘Ali removing the title of ‘Leader of Believers’, then I will give you something that will please you; verily, the Messenger of Allah (saw) contracted an agreement with the disbelievers of Quraysh on the Day of Hudaybiyyah, and the Prophet said to ‘Ali:

اكتب هذا ما قضى عليه محمد رسول الله

Write (O ‘Ali). “This is what Muhammed, the Messenger of Allah, agrees with.”

They, the polytheists, said, ‘If we knew you to be the Messenger of Allah, we would not have fought you and stopped you from going to the Ka’bah. Write Muhammed ibn ‘Abdullah.’

The Messenger of Allah said:

والله اني لرسول الله حقا وان كذبتموني اكتب يا علي محمد بن عبد الله

By Allah, indeed I am the messenger of Allah(swt) even if you belie me. Erase it ‘Ali, and write, “This is what Muhammed ibn ‘Abdullah agrees upon.”

I swear by Allah that the Messenger of Allah is better than ‘Ali and even he erased his own name and erasing his name does not erase his prophet-hood. Have we finished with this point, and have you retracted?”

Response from the companions of the Prophet (saw) to Ibn Abbas (ra) on removing the title of Amir al-Mu’minin

What is the response of the companions of the Blessed Prophet (saw) that differed with Ali over the arbitration? What is their response to Ibn Abbas (ra)?

Let us assume that someone of such great statue and wisdom as Ibn Abbas (ra) would use such an obviously fallacious line of reasoning. Let us show why this line of thinking (if it did come from him) is faulty.

1) The Prophet (saw) is fighting the Mushrik and they do not believe that the Prophet (saw) is the Messenger of Allah. 

If one wants to make this analogous to the situation with Imam Ali, it means for certain that Mu’awiya certainly did not recognize that Imam Ali is the Amr of Allah. It is an obligation upon Mu’awiya to recognizes the legitimate Imam of the Muslims. 

It is unnecessary to remove the name to seek justice for the so-called murderers of Uthman.  In fact, removing the name undermines the very government authority that would administer such justice.

2) “By Allah, indeed I am the messenger of Allah(swt) even if you belie me.” The Prophet (saw)has divine authority. He is the Messenger of Allah (swt) rather one recognizes this or not. The same is not the case with Imam Ali, removing that title put him on an equal footing with Mu’awiya.

Whereas removing the title ‘Messenger of Allah’ did not put Suhail on the status of a Prophet.

3) Imam Ali did not get any revelation from Allah (swt) that by removing the title “Amir al-Mu’minin” that it would guarantee him a victory, as was the case for the Blessed Prophet (saw).

4) What is the result of this arbitration? Because the Blessed Prophet (saw) received revelation the result is victory for the believers. Whereas the arbitration the result was a victor for the rebellious group.  Imam Ali had his Imamate stripped from him. Hassan and Hussein were killed.

It is an absolute disaster on all accounts.

So, either:

Ibn Abbas (ra) did not make such a preposterous case.

Or

2) He did make such a case but realized the counter arguments were airtight!

Examining the conflicting claims that the companions of the Blessed Prophet (saw) that differed with Imam Ali were in favour of it and forced Imam Ali into it.


Al hamdulillah! We are thankful that the Muslim ummah today is a thinking ummah. They are not people who you can spoon feed information, and they just swallow it.


Does it make sense that both the Sunni and Shi’a sources tell us that Imam Ali sent Ibn Abbas (ra) to the people (Ahl Narhawan) to use persuasive arguments to give them evidence from the Qur’an that arbitration was the correct thing to do?! (See note G)

1) Now, the story of Ibn Abbas (ra) debating the companions that went to Narhawan is a concocted fiction.
Or,
2) The idea that the Ahl Narhawan are pro arbitration is a flat lie!

You can’t have it both ways.
Why would you need to send someone to convince people of the correctness of an action if they were for it to begin with?
Things that make you go hmm.

Thank Allah (swt) that the you the reader are not a gullible individual. Allah (swt) has given you the ability to think and process information.

So either the story of Ibn Abbas (ra) debating the companions that went to Narhawan is true, (which proves beyond doubt that they were against arbitration)

Or, Someone concocted this whole story which brings us to the question of motive.

Why would someone contrive this story?

Which faction does it benefit?

Proof that people at the time did not consider Ali to be the divinely appointed Imam.

Mu’awiya replied: “And I, on my part, invite your fellow (‘Ali) to surrender to me those who killed ‘Uthman so that I may kill them, then he steps down so that the Shura may be held anew.”

Source: (Al-Baladhariy Al-Ansab Vol. 3, p. 84.)

In fact, the words of Mu’awiya are enough to prove that Caliph/Imam is appointed through a Shura and that there is no text neither in the Qur’-an’an nor in the Prophetic traditions that ‘Ali or any other person would succeed the Blessed Prophet (saw). Otherwise Imam Ali himself and his followers would respond to Mu’awiya that Caliph/Imam is not appointed through a Shura, for Allah and His Messenger have already appointed him.

Does it make sense that neither Ibn Abbas (ra) nor Imam Ali appealed to supposed verses from the Qur’an or traditions of the Blessed Prophet (saw) that mandated that Imam Ali was some how divinely appointed or even explicitly appointed after the Blessed Prophet (saw)?

Before his death Ammar Bin Yasir (ra) castigates Imam Ali & The Prophecy that Ammar Bin Yasir will be killed by the rebels.

Before his death Ammar Bin Yasir (ra) castigates Imam Ali

When Ali showed that he did that, Ammar Bin Yasir stood and said: O Amir al-Mu’minin! ibn Sufyan brought it out white to you(the arbitration papers). Whoever condones it dies, and whoever denies it reigns. So, what is with you O Abu Hassan! You made us doubt our religion! Regressed us back after the killing of 100s and thousands from them and from us? Shouldn’t this have happened before the sword? Before Talhah, Zubair and Aisha they invited you to this very thing and you rejected it! You claimed you have more right, and that those opposed us are misguided and their blood is halal as well as informing us that Allah has ruled in this situation. So if those people are Mushriks disbelievers, then we shouldn’t take the sword away from them their necks until they return to the command of Allah. And if they were people of Fitnah then we shouldn’t take the sword away from their necks until there is no Fitnah and the religion is for Allah. “Fight them until there is no more fitnah (subversion) and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. ” (Qur’an 2:193) By Allah they didn’t submit, nor given the Jiziyah nor have they returned to the command of Allah, nor did the fitna get extinguished. Ali said: By Allah I am averse to this matter.

The murder of Ammar bin Yasir (ra)

He said: So when Ali replied to Ammar that he is opposed to the issue, and that it’s not from his opinion. Ammar called, “Oh people is there anyone going to the paradise!?” “Oh people is there anyone going to the paradise!?” Five hundred people answered the call of Ammar and they went with and rushed into the flanks of Mu’awiya’s forces. Among them were Abu Al Haitham and Khuzaimah Bin Thabit(the one with two testimonies). So Ammar called for water. A servant came to him with (leban) milk. When he saw it he said “Allahu Akbar!” I heard The Messenger of Allah (saw) say: “The last provision for you is milk!” Then Ammar said: “Today I meet the loved ones, Muhammed and his party, then Ammar and his companions went forth into battle. During the fray two people met him and killed him. They went forth to Mu’awiya with his head each saying”” I killed him” -(Ammar bin Yasir).

Amr Bin Al As said to them: “By Allah you are just arguing for hell fire I heard The Messenger of Allah say: Ammar will be killed by the transgressing group!” Mu’awiya replied to Amr: “May Allah make you ugly as an old man!” “You are still sticking with what you said, that we killed him?” “Rather the ones that killed him are the ones who brought him here!”. Then Mu’awiya looked at the people of Sham and said: “Are we the transgressing group?” “The one that seeks revenge for Uthman?” When Ammar got killed the people were uneasy. Some of the people of banners abandon their positions. The people of Sham ran, and that was late in the evening. Some of the people dispersed away from Ali as well. Uday Bin Hatim said: “By Allah O Amir al-Mu’minin, this incident didn’t leave a deen for us or them, So fight until Allah opens for us now victory. Fight while we still have the numbers!” Ali inquired: “Ammar Bin Yasir was killed?” Uday Bin Hatim replied: “Yes.” Ali began to cry and said: “May Allah have mercy on you O Ammar!” “Bliss is obligated for him.” “How much do you want Ammar to live when he approached 90 years of age.”

Source: (Al-Imamah Wal Siyasah pg. 145 by ibn Qutayba al-Dīnawarī )

Prima Qur’an comments: When I read this I get chills. You can see the blood of Ammar Bin Yasir (ra) crying out for justice. In other words, Ammar is pleading with Imam Ali, “Do not let this all be in vein!” The spilling of the blood of the believers is not a light matter at all. “Why are you causing these doubts among us and why is your policy now different than it was when you faced Talha, Zubair and Aisha(ra)?”

The defiant plunge into battle by an aging Ammar bin Yasir (ra) and his companions. The way that Mu’awiya, the rebel tried to twist the prophecy of the Blessed Prophet (saw).

Also notice that the above text mentions: Khuzaimah Bin Thabit (ra) the one with the two testimonies. The one whom when Abu Bakr (ra) compiling the mushaf had the following verses with him.

“There certainly has come to you a messenger from among yourselves. He is concerned by your suffering, anxious for your well-being, and gracious and merciful to the believers. But if they turn away, then say, “Allah is sufficient for me. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him. In Him I put my trust. And He is the Lord of the Mighty Throne.” (Qur’an 9:128-129)

Indeed, how very sad when we think about what befell those early companions.

The Prophecy that Ammar bin Yasir (ra) will be killed by the rebellious group.

Abu Sa`id Khudri reported:

One who is better than I informed me, that Allah’s Messenger (saw) said to `Ammar as he was digging the ditch (on the occasion of the Battle of the Ditch) wiping over his head: O son of Summayya, you will be involved in trouble and a group of the rebels would kill you.

Source: (https://sunnah.com/muslim:2915a)

Narrated `Ikrima:

that Ibn `Abbas told him and `Ali bin `Abdullah to go to Abu Sa`id and listen to some of his narrations; So they both went (and saw) Abu Sa`id and his brother irrigating a garden belonging to them. When he saw them, he came up to them and sat down with his legs drawn up and wrapped in his garment and said, “(During the construction of the mosque of the Prophet) we carried the adobe of the mosque, one brick at a time while `Ammar used to carry two at a time. The Prophet (saw) passed by `Ammar and removed the dust off his head and said, “May Allah be merciful to `Ammar. He will be killed by a rebellious aggressive group. `Ammar will invite them to (obey) Allah and they will invite him to the (Hell) fire.”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2812)

“Fight the transgressing group (tabghi) until they are willing to submit to the rule of Allah.” (Qur’an 49:9)

Ammar will invite them to (obey) Allah.”

Whoever condones it dies, and whoever denies it reigns. So, what is with you O Abu Hassan! (Imam Ali) You made us doubt our religion!

The Treachery of Al-Ash’ath bin Qais & His Betrayal of Imam Ali

The Call for Arbitration.

After the night of clamour, the two armies found themselves in such a state that they could not withstand any more fighting. Al Ash’ath bin Qais, the leader of Kindah, addressed his companions after the night of clamour and said:

“O Muslims, you have seen what happened yesterday and how many of the Arabs were killed. By Allah, I have reached old age as Allah willed, and I have never seen anything like this. Let those who are present tell those who were absent. If we resume fighting tomorrow, that will be the end of the Arabs, and there will be no one left to protect what is sacred. By Allah, I am not saying this for fear of fighting, but I am an old man, and I fear that there will be no one to protect the women and children if we all die tomorrow. O Allah, You know that my intention is to do what is best for my people and my co-religionists, and I have not fallen short.”

Source: (Waq’at Siffin Nasr bin Muzahim Munqari p. 479)

The loyalist of Imam Ali wanted to press the attack but Al-Ash’ath Bin Qais hatched his plans.

Uday Bin Hatem came and said: “O Amir al-Mu’minin If the people of falsehood do not stand by the people of truth, then no group from us would be harmed without a group of them getting harmed equally, and all are hurt, but we are better lasting compared to them.” The people became impatient and nothing comes after impatience except what you like, so hasten to the people. Al-Ashtar An-Nakhmi said: “O Amir al-Mu’minin, Mu’awiya doesn’t have a successor from his men, while you by the grace of Allah have a successor, If he had men like you he wouldn’t have your patience nor vision, so hit the iron with iron, and seek help from Allah the praised!”

Then Amr Bin Al-Hamq stood and said: “O Amir al-Mu’minin, By Allah we wouldn’t answer you, nor would we support your extravagance in falsehood, we won’t answer anyone but Allah, and we seek nothing but truth, and if someone other than you invited us to what you are inviting us to, the sea would become tough from it, and talking about it would have been elongated, and truth has reached its dead end, and we do not share the same opinion.”

Al-Ash’ath Bin Qais stood in anger saying: “O Amir al-Mu’minin, we are today to you as we were yesterday, the end of our matter is not like its beginning, and there is no one from the people that has more sympathy to the people of Iraq from us, nor more acute to the people of the Levant from us, so answer the people by the book of Allah, for you are more deserving of it from them, and the people liked staying and hated fighting.”

Ali said: “This is something to be considered.”

Source: (Waqat Siffin -Nasr bin Muzahim Al Munqari pg. 482)

Prima Qur’an comments: It is clear that many people wanted Imam Ali to press the attack. Those are the people of the right side. However, who is the one who is demanding that Imam Ali answer the army of Mu’awiya call for arbitration. He even twist with his tongue ‘for you are more deserving of it from them.’ He is none other than Al-Ash’ath Bin Qais!

And what is the response of the commander of the faithful? “This is something to be considered!”

In other words the advise of Al-Ash’ath Bin Qais is the one who’s advice will be considered! Not the companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) who later left the army and went to Nahrawan! They are not being consulted!

Al-Ash’ath bin Qais advocates for a Yemeni.

Nasr, from Amr Bin Shamr, from Jaber, that Abu Jafer Muhammed Bin Ali related to us that when the people wanted Ali to put two arbitrators, Ali said: “Mu’awiya wouldn’t put in this someone that he trusts more than Amr Bin Al-As, and nobody can defeat a Qurashi except for someone like him. So I recommend Abdullah Bin Abbas to cast him on them. For Amr doesn’t tie a knot except that Abdullah can untie it, and Amr doesn’t untie a knot except that Abdullah ties it, and Amr doesn’t decide something except that Abdullah nullifies it, and Amr doesn’t cancel something except that Abdullah affirms it.”

Al-Ash’ath bin Qais said: No! By Allah no two Mudaries arbitrate until the hour is established, rather make him a man from Yemen as they chose a man from Mudar, Ali said: I fear that your Yemeni gets tricked; as Amr has nothing to do with Allah if he had desire in something, Al-Ash’ath bin Qais said: “By Allah, them arbitrating with what we dislike while one of them is Yemeni is better for us than us liking some of their arbitration while they are Mudaries.” ( Al-Shabi mentioned something similar.)

Source: (Waqat Siffin -Nasr bin Muzahim Al Munqari pg. 500)

Prima Qur’an comments:

“We want one from Yemen!” So who is the one to put Abu Musa al-Ash’ari forward?
This Abu Musa al-Ash’ari is not strong in supporting Imam Ali like those companions who
warned and warned against this treachery of arbitration altogether. He, Abu Musa al-Ash’ari is not loving Imam Ali like Amr ibn Al-As is loving Mu’awiya ibn Sufyan. So this is one big failures of Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib.

When he listened to Al-Ash’ath bin Qais. Anyone can see at this point the leadership of Imam Ali is broken. As was said before how can you be the commander of the faithful when you are
commanded by the disobedient?

Abu Musa Al-Ash’ari is chosen to represent Imam Ali.

He said: Al-Ahnaf Bin Qais At-Tamimi came and said: “O Amir al-Mu’minin, you threw in a shrewd man, the one who fought Allah and his Messenger at the start of Islam, and I tested this man -meaning Abu Musa Al-Ash’ari, And I knew his good and bad, so I found him weak with the blade, close in depth. But no one is good for those people except someone who gets close to them until he reaches their hands, and no one gets far from them until he becomes like a star to them. So if you want to make me an arbitrator then make me, and if you refuse to do so then make me a second or third one, as there is no knot except that I loosen it, And he wont untie a knot except that I re-knot it and knot one that is more intense than it.” So he (Al-Ahnaf Bin Qais At-Tamimi) presented this to the people and they refused, they said: “He can’t be anyone but Abu Musa Al-Ash’ari.”

Source: (Waqat Siffin -Nasr bin Muzahim Al Munqari pg. 501)

Prima Qur’an comments: The loyalist and people who are strong with Imam Ali like Al Ahnaf Bin Qais At-Timimi (ra) would advice very strongly against Abu Musa Al-Ash’ari. It was known among the loyalist that Abu Musa Al-Ash’ari is very weak.

Shi’a are aware of the treachery of Al-Ash’ath bin Qais.


In fact, something that the Shi’a often quote but seem not to reflect upon the implications of
is the following:

In fact, they quote a Sunni historical source as a provocative claim about Abu Bakr (ra) in regards to the house of Fatima (ra). Yet these same Shi’a do not ponder the implications of someone so hated by Abu Bakr (ra) being among one the confidents of Imam Ali!

“Yes, I am not upset for anything in this world, except three things I have done and I wish I had not done them and three things I have not done and I wish I had done them and three things I wish I had asked the Prophet (saw). But what I wish I had not done, first is that I wish I had not invaded the house of Fatima even if they closed it to me for war, second is that I wish I had not burned Fuja’a Sullami and instead I either had killed or released him. The third is that I wish on the Day of Saqifa, I had left the caliphate on either of these two men ‘Umar or Abu ‘Ubayda that one of them would become the caliph and I would become his minister.

But the three things I did not do and wish I had: the first is that when Al-Ash’ath bin Qais was brought to me in captivity, I wish I had struck his neck, because I suspect he will enforce evil wherever he finds it; and the other one is that I wish when I sent Khalid Bin Waleed to the battle of the apostates I had remained at Zil Qissah so that I could help the army if they were defeated; and the third one, I wish that when I delegated Khalid to Sham I had sent Omar to Iraq so that I had opened my two hands in the cause of Allah.

Then he opened his hands and added:

I wish I had asked the Messenger of Allah (saw)that to whom the caliphate belonged, so that nobody would go to war on it; and I wish I had asked him did Ansar have any right in this matter; and I wish I had asked him if the the brother’s daughter and the father’s sister would inherit anything [from the deceased], because I’m not sure about it.

Source: (Târîkh Tabarî, v 3 p 429 ; Târîkh Ya’qûbî, v 2 p 137)

Many became renegades during the rule of Abu Bakr As-Siddiq (ra) then they returned to Islam, however Abu Bakr(ra) regretted -after a while- not killing Al-Ash’ath bin Qais and said: (If only when I brought Al-Ash’ath bin Qais that I strike his neck, as I imagine that he doesn’t find an evil or fitna except that he jumps to support it and helped it.).

Possibly what provoked Al-Ash’ath bin Qais against Imam Ali is that Imam Ali isolated Al-Ash’ath bin Qais from Azarbijan, after Uthman gave him governance in it.

And from what Imam Ali said to him in the message to isolate him: (However what decieved you is Allah dictating to you, so you are still eating from his sustainance, enjoying his blessings and your goodness goes during your lifetime, so come and carry what is before you from treasures and do not make for yourself a path)

And this is what pushed Al-Ash’ath bin Qais to message Mu’awiya as narrated, (And by that Al-Ash’ath bin Qais starts his life with Imam Ali on an unfriendly footing to start with. Certainly not a loyal one. So, Al-Ash’ath bin Qais, h!e was looking for his calamities, and looking for opportunities to take revenge and he did)

And after Siffin, we see for Al-Ash’ath bin Qais an effective role and a noticeable presence, in that:

1- His persistence to stop the battle.

2- His persistence to choosing Abu Musa

3- Presenting the arbitration paper on the tribes to Imam Ali’s army

4- Persisting on Imam Ali to withdraw from his promise to the people of Harawra’ to not proceed with Abu Musa to Azruh.

Source: (Al-Khawarij Wal Haqiqatul Gha’ibah -(The Khawarij and the lost truth) by Shaykh Naser As-Sabe’i Chapter one: (The manifestation of Khawarij and outlining their most important opinions and groups page 175)

Prima Qur’an comments:

I feel there is a blindness in the hearts of those who have an emotional attachment to Imam Ali.

There are two points of consideration here. If you were looking at this from the perspective of being hypervigilant and alert there are two problems with Al-Ash’ath bin Qais that Imam Ali erred in choosing this man as a flag bearer for his army.

  1. Imam Ali stripped Al-Ash’ath bin Qais from his post in Azerbaijan. People are human and most humans do not like being stripped from any position of power. You don’t think in your heart Al-Ash’ath bin Qais feels any kind of way about this? It is like Imam Ali stripped him of his post in Azerbaijan so he turn he strips Imam Ali from the Imamate!
  2. Al-Ash’ath bin Qais was one of those people who became apostate from Islam in the time of Abu Bakr (ra) and than came back to Islam. I know that we should be willing to forgive people for past indiscretions. Yet, entrusting someone who has shown past instability as a flag bearer of Islam may have been misplaced.

Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib and Mu’awiya ibn Sufyan have hundreds and thousands of Muslims killed over a mystery?

The Million dollar question for the sincere truth seekers.

So on the one hand we have Shi’a & Sunni who claim that Imam Ali & Mu’awiya wanted to settle the matter by the Qur’an & Sunnah. However, they are not prepared to flesh out for us exactly what that entails.

On the other hand you have the sahaba (May Allah be pleased with them all) the Muhakkima with penetrating insights who already saws the signals (as the teacher mentioned in his reply) . They know the verdict of Allah (swt) in Qur’an (Qur’an 49:9) and were not interested in playing anymore games of cat and mouse.

Dear Ummah, May Allah (swt) open your eyes wide to what has happened.

You mean to tell us that Mu’awiya and Imam Ali went to war over a matter that is unclear? Imam Ali rallied people to fight fellow Muslims over matters that are unclear, and still needed to be discussed and deliberated upon? Mu’awiya did the same? Human life is so cheap?

The idea that the arbitration was to make matters clear that were not clear before is an absolute joke! The blood of the believers is something trivial? It is an insult to the intelligence of thinking people.

The point of this article is to set the historical narrative straight. Our school is one of cooperation with the believers. Our school is one of unification against the adversaries of Islam. The author (Prima-Qur’an), myself wrote this to you while keeping in mind the command of Allah (swt).

“And do not mix truth with an error or knowingly hide the truth.” (Qur’an 2:42)

May Allah guide the Ummah. May Allah forgive the Ummah.

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Response to Ali Hur Kamoonpuri attempt to refute Ibadi’s on Siffin.

“Moreover, if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah. And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.” (Qur’an 49:9)

“Moreover, it is not for a believing man and it is not for a believing woman when Allah has decided and His Messenger a matter that (there) should be for them (any) choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger certainly, he (has) strayed (into) error clear.” (Qur’an 33:36)

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Our colleague narrates an encounter between a former student of Dr. Syed Ali Hur Kamoonpuri and the claims made by her teacher.

This post is in regard to some messages that a woman named Roxanna sent to me via our conversations/exchanges through WhatsApp. I believe it all started when she shared a post of mine from Prima-Quran. That post was the following:

https://primaquran.com/2022/10/17/ismaili-shia-and-circular-reasoning/

My sincere feedback to Roxanna was that any time when we are in any chat group that has its own agenda or focus, it would not be prudent for us to go into that group with any attempt to derail it.

So for those from the Ibadi school reading this. If there are Facebook groups, WhatsApp, Telegram, or Discord servers created specifically for Sufism, or Shi’i or the Sunni, please do not go into those groups and try and derail the focus of those groups. Let them be.

Thus, as she tells us, this got this Syed Ali Hur Kamoonpuri quite worked up. Which is understandable. Reformist or not, he is still a Shi’i and Ali is central to their identity. Apparently she was threatened with going to hellfire for even entertaining the thought that Ali could be on the wrong side of history when it comes to the decisions at Siffin.

So, apparently, this Syed Ali Hur Kampoonpuri was going to do a YouTube series refuting the Ibadi (nothing better to do). Yet, all the while claiming he wanted an Ibadi to appear as a “guest”. So you have to wonder how sincere that is. In fact, she herself mentioned that she was to play some part in the refutation of the school.

Then, this Syed Ali Hur Kampoonpuri claimed that he “debated Ibadi scholars”. This naturally caused a raised eyebrow from myself So I asked her to ask him who are these “Ibadi scholars” he “debated with.”

The question was deflected, which seemed quite predictable. Wanting to invite a scholar onto your program with the pretense of having a dialogue when you actually want a debate is rather insincere. You don’t have the intention of inviting an “Ibadi guest” on a program while having the intention of doing a refutation series. That doesn’t come across as sincere as all.

So she replies:

“This was the response I got when I asked which Ibadi scholars he had discussions with” — Roxanna

“Walaykum Salaam. They were mostly from Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Zanzibar when I used to live there. And some who visited India. But I don’t know if they would be pleased at my sharing their names, given how secretive and low-key they prefer to remain.” -Syed Ali Hur Kamoonpuri

They were mostly from Dar es Salaam (would indicate 1 scholar), Tanzania and Zanzibar (would indicate at least 1 scholar) and “some who visited India” that some would indicate more than one.

So, that is a total of 4 Ibadi scholars, at the very least he has claimed to have debated.

In our eyes, this causes Mr. Syed Ali Hur Kampoonpuri’s credibility to be questioned. It is very challenging to take someone seriously when they make claims like this and when asked to substantiate such claims, they are not forthcoming. It is most unfortunate.

The sister, who was welcomed by the group, acknowledged how kind and welcoming everyone was. It was not long until she asked for others to be invited to the WhatsApp group. Now, keep in mind that the group is created for people convinced of the Ibadi school and asking questions with regard to guidance for their life.

So, she invited about 4 others to the group. It was not long until the questions turned to Siffin and that pretty much dominated the conversation as far as her own interest.

All I know is that I connected her with many people in the Ibadi community. She left the WhatsApp group one day, dropped contact. The last I heard was a person in the group messaged me one day saying: “Your sister dropped her scarf.” Such an odd message to receive with no context. That person then sent me a link of her in some YouTube program she does without the headscarf.

That is really not my business. She is on her own journey, as are we all. May Allah guide her and guide us.

Do note that Roxanna has changed the information from him (Syed Ali), claiming he had ‘debated’ with such people, him (Syed Ali) simply having ‘discussions’ with such people. This also raised an eyebrow. 

Yet you can see by her emoji, it is one that conveys mild irritation. We had asked Shaykh Juma Al Mazruii if he had ever heard of this Shaykh, and he said no. Shaykh Hilal al Wardi and Shaykh Hafidh Hamed Al Sawafi had not heard of him either. No one had heard of this guy.

You see, the Ibadi community is quite small. It would not be very hard at all to ascertain the truth of his statements. For example, his statement, “When I used to live there,” We could get from him the years he says he lived there and from there simply ask in our very tight-knit and very small community, have you ever heard of this guy?

This is a huge stumbling block for our side to have anything to do with him. Also, to be transparent it also caused doubt in us towards those who would associate with such a duplicitous individual. I am certain he has not debated Ibadi scholars because the arguments that he brings up are so ignorant, and devoid of any basic knowledge of our fiqh in regard to matters of arbitration.

We let the reader make their own informed decisions. 


So, if there is an attempt from his circle or him to engage one of our teachers in the future, he would need to first clear this up. 

So who is Syed Ali Hur Kamoonpuri? To be fair, we had not heard of him until she brought up his name. A Google search revealed that his father was one Dr. Syed Mujtaba Hasan Kampoonpuri, who served as the Dean Faculty of 12er Shia Theology at Aligarh Muslim University.

Also, to send some traffic his way, this is his YouTube channel for those interested: https://www.youtube.com/@Al-Islaah

He has some worthwhile content that those who are searching these matters may find useful.

We understand he is trying to reform 12er Shi’ism. In this regard, may Allah (swt) grant him success. Any attempts to build bridges among the Muslim community may Allah (swt) grant him success. However, when it comes to his “knowledge” of the Ibadi school, it is a naked display of ignorance, mischaracterizations and straw man “arguments.”

These are his two voice clips sent to sister Roxanna. You listen and be the judge. We have our own response to these. Apparently sister Roxanna was harangued by them over it. May Allah help us.

This is quite literally a transcription of the above voice notes. One may feel free to give it a listen and follow along. Below is a response to his (Syed Ali) claims. 

“Ali had already answered these doubts. He said, “Who told you we made human beings arbitrators? We made the Qur’an the arbitrator. The job of the human beings is simply to deliver the verdict of the Qur’an. You understand? The arbitrator is the Qur’an. And that no one in the Ummah can deny. Even the Qur’an itself says that Allah is supposed to be the hakam right? Allah is supposed to be the arbitrator. But how does Allah be…how does Allah act as the arbitrator? He’s not gonna, he’s not an old man in the sky as the as some of those who believe in Israliyaat (narrations from the children of Israel) would perceive him. Or as the Anthropomorphist would perceive him. That he will that he’s an old man in the sky authbillah (seek refuge with Allah) and that he will descend, you know he will send down on a ladder and he will descend and he will come and issue the verdict. When the Qur’an promotes takheem (arbitration) of Allah. When ever you have a dispute or iktilaaf (difference) the hukm (judgment) will come from Allah. Hukm will not come from Allah in the sense that you look towards the sky and Allah will write the verdict on the sky. He has already, he has already revealed the book. The book contains the judgement. But the book does not have a mouth, with which it can pronounce the judgement. So the mouth Allah has given to the human being. Human agents. O.K? They will bring out the judgement of the Qur’an. And and obviously the judgement of why do you have a qadi in courts then? You know tell tell the government of Oman to fire all the qadis. Who are they? Why are they bringing human agents? You know they should just put a Qur’an on the seat of the qadi; and let the Qur’an give the judgement. So this is Imam Ali’s problem with the Khawarij. He is telling them you are foolish. This is not how it works. You can’t ahh directly ask the Qur’an to issue the judgement. You need to appoint human beings the hakam (judge)O.K.? And those hakam (judges) will extract the verdict from the Qur’an. And than they will say, Why did you appoint Abu Musa Al Ashari say by the way he’s he was not my choice. Why do you allow them to appoint Amr Ibn Al ‘As say Baba this is not my choice. They have their own ah army, they have their own separate government. Uh we cannot impose, we cannot dictate who they will choose. You understand? We cannot impose our choice on them. If we could impose our choice on them at this stage than why are we having the battle between them? The, the reason why we are having the we were having the battle with them is because our authority on them had not yet been established. They have not accepted our authorities. So how can we start appointing people on their side when they don’t even accept they have not even submitted to our authority? But yes they are prepared to submit to the authority of the Qur’an. And they are saying that they are ready and willing to appoint someone from their side who will uh at least as far as they are alleging will sincerely try to extract the verdict, verdict of the Qur’an. So yeah we have to go with that! We can’t determine. We can’t impose our choice Imam Ali was not allowed by the Khawarij in his army to choose his own arbitrator also. He wanted to choose Ibn Abbas or Malik al Ashtar or someone of that sort. But no they imposed Abu Musa Al Ashari because they wanted someone who is anti-war, not pro-war. And let us not forget that it was the Khawarij who applied all the pressure, or the major part of the pressure in getting Imam Ali to uhh to enforcing him to accept takhim (arbitration). And uhh they they at that it seems they were completely you know enamored with this they were they were hypot-they were sorry they were hypnotized by this um by this um by this call to come to the judgement of the Qur’an. They were like how can we fight when people are inviting us towards the Qur’an? Now as far as the verse of surah Al Hujrat (chapter 49) is concerned uhhh Imam Ali did not violate it. Allah says, The obligation to fight the rebellious party only is binding okay soo far as the party is not willing to submit to the Amr (command) of Allah. But as long as as soon as the rebellious party says, even if they don’t accept your authority, and your caliphate, and the ij, bayah (oath) and mashura (collective decision) of the muhajirin (those who migrated) and ansar (those who helped) all of that no problem. As soon as the rebellious party says look we are ready to surrender to the Qur’an. Ah what is the Qur’an. The Qur’an is the amr (command) of Allah is it not? Ahhh so at that point if you want you can invoke this part of the verse and say that look Allah say, until it returns to the Amr (command) of Allah. By raising the Mushahif (Qur’an on parchments) on the spears they are at least zahiran (outwardly apparent) even if if they are batinan (hidden) and munafiq (hypocrites) there you know not serious they are not sincere whatever you say about their batin (what is hidden). But Zahiran (outwardly apparent) so long as the rebellious party is offering to submit to the judgement of the Qur’an. Then you cannot say that Quranically we are still obligated to continue fighting them. No. At that point the Qur’anic obligation is lifted and now it becomes a matter of the what is the requirement of the political and military wisdom. So now poli, the rules of politics and military wisdom dictate that you should try to ascertain are these people really sincere or not. Now, We have already, Imam Ali had already seen these people are not sincere because the beginning of the battle we did call them towards the Qur’an. They didn’t accept it than. Now that they are losing the battle all of a sudden they now want the Qur’an to be the judge? So on that basis politically Imam Ali even after the arbitration continued to maintain he said yes politically what you people forced me to do was not the best. Uhmm it was not the best approach you should have listened to me I was telling you even though the Qur’anic obligation at that point now starts to rest on on a, you see the the critical point the Khawarij did not understand. o.k Which is that Allah’s commands in the Qur’an are absolute, they have to be followed under all circumstances right? But, sometimes they are predicated upon uh worldly, politically and military ijtihad (striving to derive rulings from the sources). So, For example, Allah (swt) says in the Qur’an that we have to fast. O.K we have to fast. And the Sunnah has already made it clear that as soon as you see the moon start fasting shahru Ramadan (month of Ramadan) right? But seeing the moon on shahrul Ramadan this is a human worldly astronomical matter. It is not an absolute uhh divine yani(you know) Allah does not inform us when the moon has been sighted. This is something we human beings have to apply our ijtihad to find out ehh uh has the moon been sighted or not. Here there can be mistakes. So if lets say a human being by mistake has a hallucination or some illusion and he ends up seeing the moon or lets say because of some defect in his eyes he is not able to see the moon and no one is able to see the moon and they don’t fast the next day when in reality the moon had appeared in the ilm (knowledge) of Allah the moon had appeared, Allah doesn’t have a case against such people. You can’t say but I sa my command was to start fasting as soon as you see the moon. The problem is we didn’t see the moon even if it may have been there so yes the requirement of worldly wisdom should have been that we should have put enough arrangements in place to ensure that you know that the moon is sighted. But we failed in that. So similarly Imam Ali is saying that look Allah’s obligation to fight against the forces of Sham (Syria) was only binding so long as they were completely stubborn and they were not re, Muaviya this is how he came to Siffin. He said I don’t have anything for you except the sword. Imam Ali tried to negotiate with him. He wrote letters to him. All of that! Everything failed. That’s why the battle happened as a last resort. When his side attacked the side of Imam Ali and committed aggression against him. So he fought them in defense. So this is what the fight was about. Now when Allah says, You keep on fighting them until they return to the Amr of Allah. Now this until they return to the Amr of Allah this is going to be determined by how do you determine when a party has returned to the Amr of Allah? This will be determined by worldly factors. Which are not God is not going to send you wahy telling o.k now they have returned or ok no no no they have not actually they are not sincere keep fighting. No these are human ijtihadi matters. Now the army of Imam Ali not Imam Ali himself Imam Ali’s ijtihad was correct wal hamdulillah (praise be to Allah)from the beginning he, Ibn Abbas, Malik Al Ashtar they all saw through this and they said yeah but look the correct worldly and military ijtihad requires us to continue this fight. Because we have enough against these people to prove to Allah that they are not sincere. We can see that. But the rest of the army uhhmm and especially these um foolish khawarij were not able to see through that. They were deceived. And in some of the reports indicate that its not just that they were deceived its it’s that the
battle had really broken them. They just wanted an end by any means. Some of them were like that. Their were people in the army of Imam Ali that were completely the battle had been so fierce and it was so much bloodshed they were psychologically effected by it, and they were just looking for any excuse to stop the battle. And these are the first people to have jumped on this thing that no no no let’s stop the fighting. Let’s stop the fight. They were desperate. So this desperation caused them to make this faulty ijtihad and Imam Ali said o.k if they had gone against the Qur’an with this ijtihad Imam Ali would have said you know what let us die. It is better to die than to go against the Qur’an. But because their faulty worldly ijtihad was only a worldly political mistake and military mistake that they were making Imam Ali tried to warn them against it but he did not stick to his gun. He did not impose it on them very ferociously. In the end you see him saying that o.k I can clearly see you people have lost the will to fight and it does not befit me as your leader to force you in a direction that you are not pleased with. You people don’t’ wanna fight o.k What you are proposing because it does not go against the Qur’an and established sunnah accepting arbitration a call to make the Qur’an the judge between two parties is never against the Qur’an and Sunnah. In fact it is 100% in line with the Qur’an and Sunnah. The only issue is that the worldly aspect of it. The worldly aspect is you have to you have to determine rather the other party is really sincere or not. You people are just taking their word for it. Which is not uuh a good thing to do from a worldly political military perspective. But it’s uh ah yani if this is what you have determined. Than yeah it’s fine. Doesn’t go against the Qur’an or Sunnah. Da da they are outwardly calling us towards the Qur’an yeah? So fine uh the Allah (swt) in the Qur’an promotes this idea that the Qur’an and his his
revelations should be made the judge in all disputes. and the appointment of two human beings from both sides this mirror’s uuuhh Qur’anic uh prescription such as in the case of husband and wife Allah says, “send an arbitrator from his people and an arbitrator from her people” and the husband does not get to decide who the wife will choose as her hakam. The woman should have the right to bring her arbitrator, whoever she chooses from her family and whoever her family is agreed upon and happy with and the husband uuhh should have the right to bring whoever he is pleased with from his side. Right?
Th zz You can’t impose you know this foolish argument that Imam, why did Imam Ali let them choose a wicked man like Amr ibn Al As yeah you can’t dictate terms to the the other army. If the Khawarij were really interested in not having Amr Ibn Al As as the hakam they should have continued fighting
as Imam Ali instructed them to do at first. But they disobeyed him. And their disobedience of him there was uhh it was worldly foolishness. Ummm and that is why Imam Ali maintained until the end
he said you people did something foolish and now your trying to pin the blame for your foolishness on me because you’ve now seen with your own eyes the results of your foolishness so in any case Imam Ali appointed these two arbit he he agreed he acquiesced in the appointment of these two arbitrators
he put strict conditions that they will make the Qur’an and the Qur’an alone the hakam and in areas where the Qur’an is silent the Sunnah of the Messenger (saw) and then latter on as you see what happened in takhim u-ma? Imam Ali says, they went astray these two arbitrators. They broke the terms and agreements the the the terms of the agreement. They followed their whim desires and so it was very clearly mentioned in the contract and in the pact that if you know if they go against the requirements of the Qur’an aaa and the Sunnah then their decree is not binding. And therefore when they deposed Imam Ali it was an illegal verdict and when the verdict is illegal you go back to the default which is as mentioned in the contract the original state of war and the original state of war was based on what status quo on the status quo that the Muhajirun and Ansar. The vast majority of them ah have given bayah to Imam Ali he is the rightful legitimate caliph and Muawiyah has to submit to that bayah if he doesn’t he’s a baghy (rebel) and a rebel against the Muslims and the Muslims have the right to impose their authority on him and this is exactly what Imam Ali went back to to doing. Preparing the next campaign against Muaviyah.” — Syed Ali Hur

Prima Qur’an response:

Syed Ali Hur often seems incoherent.


    Part of pur frustration with Syed Ali is that there are so many cut-off sentences and his thoughts seem to be jumbled on this. He will begin a sentence and just when you think he is about to make a point or an assertion, he quickly changes course to something else. Then he becomes very polemical and this is a far cry from academic discourse. He seems to like the word ‘foolish’ quite a bit.

    Syed Ali Hur does not understand Ibadi jurisprudence.

    It is clear to us that Syed Ali Hur neither understands the Ibadi school nor our jurisprudence. This is clear when he makes this gargantuan error concerning our school. To be fair, this tired polemic does not originate with him. It has been said by those before him. It not only insults our school, it insults Ali ibn Abu Talib as well as the reader’s intelligence.

    “Whenever you have a dispute or iktilaaf (difference), the hukm (judgment) will come from Allah. Hukm will not come from Allah in the sense that you look towards the sky and Allah will write the verdict on the sky. He has already, he has already revealed the book. The book contains the judgement. But the book does not have a mouth with which it can pronounce the judgement. ” — Syed Ali Hur

    ” And and obviously the judgement of why do you have a qadi in courts then? You know tell tell the government of Oman to fire all the qadis. Who are they? Why are they bringing human agents? You know they should just put a Qur’an on the seat of the qadi; and let the Qur’an give the judgement. ” — Syed Ali Hur

    Listening to Syed Alli make these types of statements was just wild. Are we really to believe that Ali ibn Abu Talib used these types of bizarre arguments?  


    In fact, it is very reminiscent of the straw man “arguments” and bizarre statements and actions that Sunnis attribute to their imams when attempting to refute the points of others.

    Please see:

    “You see the the critical point the Khawarij did not understand. o.k Which is that Allah’s commands in the Qur’an are absolute, they have to be followed under all circumstances right? But, sometimes they are predicated upon uh worldly, politically and military ijtihad.” –Syed Ali Hur

    Notice the word sometimes. That is exactly the point! Allah (swt) says,

    “Moreover, it is not for a believing man, and it is not for a believing woman when Allah has decided and His Messenger a matter that (there) should be for them (any) choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger certainly, he (has) strayed (into) clear error.” (Qur’an 33:36)

    When Allah (swt) has decided upon a matter, it is not for human beings to have any choice on something decided upon by Allah (swt). This text is nass—it is clear: a known, clear legal injunction, or a divine decree.

    However, in matters of ijtihad, he needs to bring evidence to show the Ibadi school has disagreed with this, which he has not. 

    Syed Ali Hur contradicts himself.

    “This is not how it works. You can’t ahh directly ask the Qur’an to issue the judgement.” Syed Ali Hur

    Prima Qur’an response:

    Syed Ali Hur contradicted himself. He says: ‘sometimes‘.

    However, this new statement that you cannot go directly to the Qur’an is falsehood.

    Allah creates circumstances favorable to Muaviya and against Ali?

    “They were deceived. And in some of the reports indicate that its not just that they were deceived its it’s that the battle had really broken them. They just wanted an end by any means. Some of them were like that. Their were people in the army of Imam Ali that were completely the battle had been so fierce and it was so much bloodshed they were psychologically effected by it, and they were just looking for any excuse to stop the battle. And these are the first people to have jumped on this thing that no no no let’s stop the fighting. Let’s stop the fight. They were desperate.-Syed Ali Hur

    Prima Qur’an comments: Is it not interesting that, if we are to believe what Syed Ali tells us, that this just so happens to coincide with Muaviyah’s army putting the Mushaf of the Qur’an on spears and swords just when the battle was not going well for Muaviyah’s side?

    You can deduce from this the following:

    a) Allah (swt) himself wanted both parties to talk by creating this fatigue and exasperation. Thus, Ali’s alleged decision to “keep fighting” was wrong. Muslims do not believe in coincidence.

    The people who were for arbitration wanted a good thing and Ali did not want the good thing!

    “If they had gone against the Qur’an with this ijtihad Imam Ali would have said you know what let us die. It is better to die than to go against the Qur’an. But because their faulty worldly ijtihad was only a worldly political mistake and military mistake that they were making Imam Ali tried to warn them against it but he did not stick to his gun. He did not impose it on them very ferociously. In the end you see him saying that o.k I can clearly see you people have lost the will to fight and it does not befit me as your leader to force you in a direction that you are not pleased with. You people don’t’ wanna fight o.k What you are proposing because it does not go against the Qur’an and established sunnah accepting arbitration a call to make the Qur’an the judge between two parties is never against the Qur’an and Sunnah. In fact it is 100% in line with the Qur’an and Sunnah. ” -Syed Ali Hur

    As soon as the rebellious party says look we are ready to surrender to the Qur’an. Ah what is the Qur’an. The Qur’an is the amr (command) of Allah is it not? Ahhh so at that point if you want you can invoke this part of the verse and say that look Allah say, until it returns to the Amr (command) of Allah. By raising the Mushahif (Qur’an on parchments) on the spears they are at least zahiran (outwardly apparent) even if if they are batinan (hidden) and munafiq (hypocrites) there you know not serious they are not sincere whatever you say about their batin (what is hidden). But Zahiran (outwardly apparent) so long as the rebellious party is offering to submit to the judgement of the Qur’an. Then you cannot say that Quranically we are still obligated to continue fighting them. No. At that point the Qur’anic obligation is lifted and now it becomes a matter of the what is the requirement of the political and military wisdom.” -Syed Ali Hur

    Prima Qur’an comments:

    a) So supposedly, these people are “making faulty ijtihad”

    b) Then he (Syed Ali) turns around and says, “Accepting arbitration a call to make the Qur’an the judge between two parties is never against the Qur’an and Sunnah. In fact, it is 100% in line with the Qur’an and Sunnah.

    c) This is because “ But Zahiran (outwardly apparent) so long as the rebellious party is offering to submit to the judgement of the Qur’an.”

    Ali is portrayed as half hearted reed blown by the winds and not the Imam and resolute believer who trust and reliance is solely upon Allah (swt). He shirks from personal responsibility for his actions.

    “Now, We have already, Imam Ali had already seen these people are not sincere because the beginning of the battle we did call them towards the Qur’an. They didn’t accept it than. Now that they are losing the battle all of a sudden they now want the Qur’an to be the judge? So on that basis politically Imam Ali even after the arbitration continued to maintain he said yes politically what you people forced me to do was not the best.”-Syed Ali Hur

    “If they had gone against the Qur’an with this ijtihad Imam Ali would have said you know what let us die. It is better to die than to go against the Qur’an.”-Syed Ali Hur

    “So in any case Imam Ali appointed these two arbit he he agreed he acquiesced in the appointment of these two arbitrators he put strict conditions that they will make the Qur’an and the Qur’an alone the hakam and in areas where the Qur’an is silent the Sunnah of the Messenger.” -Syed Ali Hur

    Prima Qur’an comments:

    a) So, on the one hand: “You people forced me to do

    b) On the other hand: “You know what let us die. It is better to die than to go against the Qur’an.”

    c) And on the other hand: “he agreed he acquiesced in the appointment of these two arbitrators.”

    How come Ali wasn’t aware of these verses of the Qur’an?

    “How often has a small host overcome a great host by Allah’s leave! For Allah is with those who are patient in adversity.” (Qur’an 2:249)

    “When people said to them: ‘Behold, a host has gathered around you and you should fear them’, it only increased their faith and they answered: ‘Allah is Sufficient for us; and what an excellent Guardian He is!”(Qur’an 3:173)

    Now again, we are only going by the narrative that Syed Ali Hur has given us. We do not know if these are his surmising’s based upon an oral narrative or actual historical data.

    Syed Ali Hur claims without evidence that the so called “Khawarij” selected Abu Musa Al-Ashari? What is the reference for this?

    “But no they imposed Abu Musa Al Ashari because they wanted someone who is anti-war, not pro-war. And let us not forget that it was the Khawarij who applied all the pressure, or the major part of the pressure in getting Imam Ali to uhh to enforcing him to accept takhim (arbitration).” -Syed Ali Hur

    Prima Qur’an comments:

    Is Ali so weak that not only is he supposedly forced into arbitration, and now he cannot even accept his own arbitrator? Which brings us to his example of the separation of man and wife which falls back on him in a bad way.

    This also blows open wide any false notion of Ali or his army believing he had any type ofʿIṣmah or that he was Maʿṣūm. The actions of his army be the admission of Syed Ali Hur is proof in the pudding.

    Syed Ali Hur’s lack of understanding of the Arabic language and verse 4:35 of the Qur’an.

    “The appointment of two human beings from both sides this mirror’s uuuhh Qur’anic uh prescription such as in the case of husband and wife Allah says, “send an arbitrator from his people and an arbitrator from her people” and the husband does not get to decide who the wife will choose as her hakam. The woman should have the right to bring her arbitrator, whoever she chooses from her family and whoever her family is agreed upon and happy with and the husband uuhh should have the right to bring whoever he is pleased with from his side. Right?”-Syed Ali Hur

    Prima Qur’an comments:

    a) Wrong! This actually shows poor grammar in the understanding of this ayat. The Arabic text is fa-ib’ʿathū (they choose), meaning the family of the respective party choose the arbiter. Not the wife chooses or the husband chooses. Their families choose. So, even if the allegation of the so-called ‘Khawarij’ chose Abu Musa Al Ashari by the understanding of the verse, it would be correct. Which, by the way, Syed Ali Hur did not give evidence that they chose him!

    b) For the example of the husband and wife, Allah (swt) says, fa-ib’athu (appoint arbiters).

    “If two parties among the believers start to fight against each other, restore peace among them. If one party rebels against the other, fight against the rebellious one until he surrenders to the command of Allah. When he does so, restore peace among them with justice and equality; Allah loves those who maintain justice. ” (Qur’an 49:9)

    It is in the imperative form faqatilu! That is the AMR, the command of Allah (swt). There should be no talk of a document. There should be talk of bayah!

    Ali was the one in his letters who told Muaviyah that they could investigate the murder of Uthman, yet Muaviyah would need to recognize the legitimate government of the Muslims. Now Ali is laying all this aside for discussion?  Give the bayah or perish!


    “Th zz You can’t impose you know this foolish argument that Imam, why did Imam Ali let them choose a wicked man like Amr ibn Al As yeah you can’t dictate terms to the the other army. “-Syed Ali Hur

    Prima Qur’an comments:

    Thankfully, Syed Ali Hur went to verse Qur’an 4:35 of a dispute between a man and a woman. He did not go to the verse of Qur’an 5:95. Because the argument that the sahabah of the Blessed Messenger (saw) who were at Narhawan had against Ibn Abbas was the following:

    “O you who believe! Kill not game while in the sacred precincts or in pilgrim garb. If any of you do so intentionally, the compensation is an offering, brought to the Ka’ba, of a domestic animal equivalent to the one he killed, AS ADJUDGED BY TWO JUST MEN AMONG YOU; or by way of atonement, the feeding of the indigent; or its equivalent in fasts: that he may taste of the penalty of his deed. Allah forgives what is past: for repetition, Allah will exact from him the penalty. For Allah is Exalted, and Lord of Retribution.” (Qur’an 5:95)

    As adjudged by two just men among you’.  Keep this in mind as well. This is a key part of the text.

    The sahabah of Nahrawaan replied to Ibn Abbas :

    “Are you comparing the law relating to the killing of game animals on the sacred land or the law that is intended to resolve the misunderstandings that occur between a man and his wife, with the law that is intended to govern matters of greater magnitude, such as the act of shedding of Muslims’ blood?”

    Source: (Al-Tabari, Al-Taarikh Vol. 6, p. 13.)

    Also, another point concerning the text that Ibn Abbas brought forth.

    Naturally, people would ask, “Are you saying Amru bin Al-As is a man of justice when it was he who spilled our blood yesterday? If you believe that he is just, then we (including you — Ibn Abbas and Ali) are not just because we all fought the war against Mu’awiya and Amru bin Al-As!”

    So the unfilled questions were.

    1. A)Were there two arbitrators or one?
    2. B) Were they just or unjust?

    Now could a person think they are just and sincere in what they are doing?

    Syed Ali Hur does not have a cohesive narrative concerning the so called kharijites and rather or not they are pro/anti-arbitration.

    So, on the one hand: “You people forced me to do” — Syed Ali Hur

    “And let us not forget that it was the Khawarij who applied all the pressure, or the major part of the pressure in getting Imam Ali to uhh to enforcing him to accept takhim (arbitration).”-Syed Ali Hur

    However, he (Syed Ali) then turns around and says:

    “The, the reason why we are having the we were having the battle with them is because our authority on them had not yet been established. They have not accepted our authorities. So how can we start appointing people on their side when they don’t even accept they have not even submitted to our authority? But yes they are prepared to submit to the authority of the Qur’an. “Syed Ali Hur

    His contradiction is obvious for all to see. If the so-called Kharijites were forcing Ali into arbitration, then why does he have to explain to them that these people do not accept our authority we cannot impose it on them? Seems like you are preaching to the choir. Especially if they were for it!

    “Imam Ali maintained until the end. He said you people did something foolish and now your trying to pin the blame for your foolishness on me because you’ve now seen with your own eyes the results of your foolishness.”-Syed Ali Hur

    Also, if these people forced Ali into arbitration and they “with their own eyes the results“, then why go their separate ways after? This is not adding up at all.

    Especially, in light of the following:

    “Now we have already, Imam Ali had already seen these people are not sincere because the beginning of the battle we did call them towards the Qur’an. They didn’t accept it then. Now that they are losing the battle all of a sudden, they now want the Qur’an to be the judge? So, on that basis, politically Imam Ali, even after the arbitration, continued to maintain he said yes, politically, what you people forced me to do was not the best.”—Syed Ali Hur

    Why are people who are fighting, spilling blood, fighting for you at the battle of the Camel? Why are they now leaving? They could have said, yes Ali, in hindsight was correct and we were wrong.

    It is quite clear that the people who left Ali’s camp wanted to do so because Ali went for arbitration. The companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) who left Siffin for Narhawan are famous for their cry:

    “La Hukma Illa Lillah” (There is no rule but that of Allah)

    In the end, with regard to arbitration, what is the result of it? What is the fruit? Did it return to the AMR of Allah (swt) ? No! It did not!

    What is that the Shi’i believe was so insufficient about his letters to Muaviyah that he needed to give in to this arbitration? What is it that is not so clear in the Qur’an about what this “amr of Allah” is that we need to make a document, and have court recess and go our own ways?

    And the key thing that Shi’i keep running from again and again and again is this one simple, straightforward question. “If the Qur’an is the arbiter, what is the verse or verses that make Ali in the right in his dispute with Muaviyah?”

    The command of Allah (swt) is not clear?

    Yes indeed it is!

    In the example of the husband and wife, Allah (swt) says, fa-ib’athu (appoint arbiters)

    “If two parties among the believers start to fight against each other, restore peace among them. If one party rebels against the other, fight against the rebellious one until he surrenders to the command of Allah. When he does so, restore peace among them with justice and equality; Allah loves those who maintain justice. ” (Qur’an 49:9)

    It is in the imperative form faqatilu! That is the AMR, the command of Allah (swt)

    Unless the Shi’i now want to say that Ali did not know what the amr of Allah (swt) was then let that stand on the record.

    Unless the Shi’i want to say that Ali has no Qur’an-based text to support him, then let that also stand on the record.

    How does what return to the Amr of Allah (swt)?

    Very simple and easy to answer.

    Avoid what Allah (swt) asked you to avoid and by doing what Allah (swt) has ordered you to do. Example: You are not making your prayer, then start praying. This is not rocket science.

    Whenever the Shi’i are cornered in an argument and have nothing more to offer. They will always return to the incident of Ghadir Khum. It is what they believe is their instant win card!

    We have explained the incident of Ghadir Khum here:

    Also, do correct your Shi’i friends. There is no such thing as ‘THE’ hadith of Ghadir Khum. However, there is THE incident of Ghadir Khum and various versions of that incident, which means hadiths (plural). Some of these variants have accretions and variations.

    Remember that our position is Prima-Quran.

    Some groups try to elevate the hadith over the Qur’an. Whereas for us, we do not elevate the hadith above the Qur’an. Nor can hadith clash with the Qur’an.

    The verse in question describes the two opposing groups as believers.

    Logic dictates that Ali could be in either group A or group B.

    Let us say that Ali is in group B, the group that is being oppressed.
    How can it be reasoned that the people in group A are being labeled as enemies of Allah, yet still be called believers by Allah (swt) himself?

    “Allah is the Friend (Waliyy)of those who believe He brings them out of darkness into light. And those who disbelieve their friends are the devils who take them out of light into darkness. They are the companions of the Fire; therein they abide.” (Qur’an 2:257)

    Surely Allah (swt) the All-Knowing is aware that Ali could be in category A or B.

    You must hate those whom you apply the judgement of Allah (swt) to? No, not necessarily.

    Based upon mantiq (logic) and the fact that this particular statement of the narration would clash with the qati’i (decisive) nature of Qur’an, such that a particular understanding of being infallible or not accountable becomes null and void.

    Secondly. There is a story which you can read here full of grandiose verbiage that many are familiar with. Ali fights a man and the man spits in Ali’s face. Ali is said to have sheathed his sword. You can read that here: https://www.dar-al-masnavi.org/n-I-3721.html

    The point is that just because you oppose someone does not necessarily entail hatred.

    An example is this:

    Narrated `Aisha:

    Usama approached the Prophet (saw) on behalf of a woman (who had committed theft).
    The Prophet (saw) said, “The people before you were destroyed because they used to inflict the legal punishments on the poor and forgive the rich. By Him in Whose Hand my soul is! If Fatima (the daughter of the Prophet (saw) did that (i.e. stole), I would cut off her hand.”

    Source: (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6787)

    So let us imagine a scenario where Fatima did steal, and she did get caught. Would one necessarily have to have hatred in his/her heart towards Fatima when executing the punishment?


    That means that every judge or Qadi would need to hate the person they pass sentence on?


    Would that mean that Ali, as an Amir, any time he inflicted a punishment upon anyone who transgressed, meant he would need hatred in his heart as a prerequisite?

    If this is how people reason, reason is in a state of decline.Allah (swt) says,

    “Never will your family bloodlines/ties or your children be of any use to you on the day of Resurrection. He will separate you and judge between you. For Allah is All-Seeing what you do.” (Qur’an 60:3)

    Adam made a mistake.

    “Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went Astray. Then his Lord chose him, and turned to him with forgiveness, and gave him guidance.” (Quran 20:121-122)

    David made a mistake.

    “And David perceived that we had tried him by this parable, and he asked pardon of his Lord: and he fell down and bowed himself, and repented.” (Qur’an 38:25).

    Saying that Ali is infallible in his decisions puts him above the Prophets. It also makes the following verse not applicable to him.

    “Then did they feel secure from the plan of Allah ? But no one feels secure from the plan of Allah except the losing people.” (Qur’an 7:99)

    Are we to say that Ali was from the losing people because he felt secure from the plan of Allah (swt)? Certainly not!

    Ibadis are not the people known for hating and hatred, contrary to what you have heard.

    Read, for example, the poem concerning Ali Ibn Abu Talib by the esteemed scholar, poet, and Sufi, Abu Muslim Al Bahlani (May Allah grant him paradise.)

    A group of six great Ibadi scholars, J’afer bin A’Simak, Abu AlHur Ali bin AlHusain Al’Anbri, AlHattat bin Kateb, AlHabab bin Kulaib, Abu Suyan Qanber AlBasri, and Salim bin Thakwan among other unnamed scholars, they went to Umar bin Abdul Aziz and exhorted him to stop this cursing from the pulpits, this includes Ali.

    If they hate Ali will they really exhort people to stop cursing him from the pulpits? The pulpit is the place where the tongue should be moist with the remembrance of Allah (swt) and exhortation to those in attendance to obey the commands of Allah (swt) and the Blessed Messenger, the Beloved Prophet Muhammed (saw)

    If the Ibadi had personal hatred towards Ali, would we have the opinion in our tradition that he was remorseful and repented to Allah?

    “Such is Allah, your true Lord. And, beyond truth, what is there except falsehood? So where else can you turn?” (Qur’an 10:32)

    Would hope that one day Mr. Ali Hur finds the courage to repent and make tauba for the lies that he told. It is best to say that he was caught up in the moment, that he made a mistake. That would make him an honourable individual.

    Based on the voice notes provided of Mr.Ali Hur and our arguments and quotes and response to the Shi’i reformist Kamoonpuri, the Ibadi side presents the more coherent, scripture-grounded, and logically consistent argument.

    1. Fidelity to the Clear Text of the Qur’an (Nass)
    The Ibadi argument adheres strictly to the apparent and imperative command in Qur’an 49:9: “…then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah.”

    • The Ibadis argue that the command is clear and absolute. Since Muawiyah was the rebel (baghi), the fighting should have continued until he submitted. The arbitration was a deviation from this clear divine command.
    • Kamoonpuri’s argument relies on a complex layer of “worldly ijtihad,” “political wisdom,” and assessing the “sincerity” of the opponent to override the apparent meaning of the verse. He essentially argues that a human judgment about the opponent’s intentions can suspend a direct divine imperative. The Ibadi invocation of Qur’an 33:36 (“it is not for a believing man… when Allah has decided a matter that there should be for them any choice”) is a powerful counter to this.

    2. The Practical Failure of the Arbitration
    The Ibadi point is devastatingly simple and empirical: What was the result? The arbitration did not return the situation to the amr (command) of Allah. It led to confusion, division, and strengthened Muawiyah’s position. If a course of action was supposedly “100% in line with the Qur’an and Sunnah,” as Kamoonpuri claims, one would expect it to produce a just outcome. It did not. This suggests the premise was flawed.

    3. Exposing Internal Contradictions
    The Ibadi response effectively highlights the incoherence in Kamoonpuri’s narrative:

    • Who were the “Khawarij”? Kamoonpuri says they were the ones who forced Ali into arbitration. But then they are the ones who left Ali because of the arbitration. The Ibadi asks: if they forced him into it, why would they then leave him for it? This exposes a fundamental flaw in the historical narrative being presented.
    • Ali’s Agency: Kamoonpuri portrays Ali as both “forced” by his army and as someone who “agreed” and “acquiesced” and set conditions. The Ibadi response questions this portrayal of the Imam as a half-hearted leader blown by the wind, contrasting it with the Quranic ideal of a resolute believer who trusts in Allah.

    4. Stronger Use of Quranic Analogy and Companion Reasoning
    The Ibadi response brings a powerful historical and Quranic argument by referencing the exchange between Ibn Abbas and the companions at Nahrawan using Qur’an 5:95. The companions rejected the analogy of arbitration in a marital dispute (4:35) or a hunting penalty (5:95) for a matter of massive bloodshed and the leadership of the Ummah. This shows that the earliest Muslims involved in the event understood the flaw in using those verses to justify the Siffin arbitration. Kamoonpuri’s use of the marital arbitration verse (4:35) is shown to be a weak analogy that even the contemporaries of the event dismissed.

    5. The Central Unanswered Question
    The Ibadi request is the most direct and logical challenge: “If the Qur’an is the arbiter, what is the verse or verses that make Ali in the right in his dispute with Muaviyah?”
    This question cuts through all the talk of documents, arbitrators, and political wisdom. It demands a scriptural basis for the arbitration itself. Kamoonpuri’s entire defense is based on the process (they called to the Qur’an) and not the substance (what does the Qur’an actually say about this dispute?). The Ibadis correctly point out that the Qur’an’s command on how to deal with rebels is already clear, so there was nothing to arbitrate.

    Conclusion of the Arguments Presented

    While Kamoonpuri attempts a sophisticated defense based on the distinction between divine commands and their worldly application, his argument is convoluted, self-contradictory, and detached from the clear imperative of the Qur’anic text.

    The Ibadi argument is superior because it is:

    • Textually faithful: It holds fast to the clear command of Qur’an 49:9.
    • Logically consistent: It points out the flaws and contradictions in the opposing narrative.
    • Pragmatic: It judges the action by its fruit, which was division and failure.
    • Historically grounded: It uses the reasoning of the companions who were actually there (the Nahrawan group’s argument to Ibn Abbas) to support its position.

    The Shi’i reformist argument, as presented here, relies on a narrative that makes Ali appear weak, his opponents hypocritical, and the clear text of the Qur’an subject to the flawed “ijtihad” of a war-weary army. The Ibadi position, by contrast, maintains the sovereignty of the divine command over human political maneuvering.

    May Allah Guide the Ummah.

    May Allah Forgive the Ummah.

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    Questions every sincere Shi’i must ask concerning Siffin and Nahrawan

    “And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when you know what it is.” (Qur’an 2:42)

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    These are questions that every Shi’i* must ask concerning Siffin and Nahrawan.

    *Shi’a meaning: 12er, Zaydi, Ismail’i, Reformist etc.

    Question 1. Amr bin al-As what is the Shi’i view on him?

    Question 2. Amr bin al-As do the Shi’i view him as being just?

    Question 3. Is there anyone from Muaviya’s army at Siffin that Shi’i consider to be just?

    Question 4. In the Shi’a view, if anyone opposes the Imam in war, is that person considered just?

    Question 5. Is there anyone from Muavyia’s army at Siffin that Shi’i have adoration and respect for?

    Question 6. Do Shi’i believe that Ibn Abbas (ra)was sent to speak to the Muslims of Narhawan?

    Question 6. What is the most accurate portrayal of Ibn Abbas (ra) in his discussion with them (Al Narhawan) from your accounts?

    Question 7. Ibn Abbas (ra) was with Ali in his battle of the Camel, the Battle of Siffin. Why was he not with Ali during his battle at Narhawan?

    LET THE BOOK OF ALLAH JUDGE BETWEEN US?

    Question 8. If you are among those who believe that Ali was correct in arbitration. That he acquiesce to arbitration on the grounds that the decision would be based upon the book of Allah. Then what Qur’an-based verses did Ali believe supported his position?

    What did Muaviyah feel was his evidence from the Qur’an that supported his position? Likewise, what did Ali feel was his evidence from the Qur’an that supported his position?

    Interestingly enough, evidence was given for Muaviyah’s position. The law of Qisas. We can say that it is based upon the following evidence in the Qur’an.

    “Oh You who believe, fair retribution is prescribed for you in cases of murder: the free man for the free man, the slave for the slave, the female for the female. But if the culprit is pardoned by his aggrieved brother, this shall be adhered to fairly, and the culprit shall pay what is due in a good way. This is an alleviation from your Lord and an act of mercy. If anyone then exceeds these limits, grievous suffering awaits him.” (Qur’an 2:178)

    “We ordained for them in the Torah, “A life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth—and for wounds equal retaliation.” But whoever waives it charitably, it will be atonement for them. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 5:45)

    “Moreover, if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah. And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.” (Qur’an 49:9)

    Once sincere truth seekers look into these questions and reflect upon them, there will be a lot more people identifying with the Ibadi position.

    You may be interested in reading the following:

    Allah (swt) knows best and the help of Allah (swt) is sought!

    May Allah Guide the Ummah.

    May Allah Forgive the Ummah.

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    Sunni & Shia narratives of Siffin and Al-Nahrawan 

    “Moreover, give full measure when you measure, and weigh with an even balance. That is the best way and the best result.” (Qur’an 17:35)

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    Sunni and Shi’i scholars and historians out there telling their people about Siffin and Nahrawan are like: “Gather around children, let grandpa tell you the story of the dragon Smaug, whomlives under the lonely mountain; and a brave lad named Bilbo Baggins.”

    When reading “historical” narratives, it is important to bear in mind that often we are reading a redacted telling of the events, or the events as seen through the lenses of those who have a vested interest in telling a particular narrative.

    We are quite sure you will want to see the sanaad. Likewise, when we are talking about the events surrounding Siffin and Nahrawan, it is the same. What are the sources that are quoted? Who is relating the information? What motives do they have, if any?

    We start with tales from the Shi’i.

    Let’s take, for example, the book “Opposing the Imam: The Legacy of the Nawasib in Islamic Literature” by Nebil Husayn. By the way the book over all is very good. There are a few false attributions which we will address in a future article insh’Allah.

    Nebil relates to us a wild tale. (Though to his credit/discredit) he admits he is not telling us history.

    According to pro-‘Alid historiography, when Mu’awiya and ‘Amr invited ‘Ali’s army to settle their differences by means of arbitration, the group of soldiers that had coalesced to form the Muhakkima initially supported the initiative with fervor. In their reverence for the Qur’an, these soldiers feared that ignoring Mu’awiya’s calls to have the Qur’an arbitrate between them continued fighting and did not heed such calls. Ali, in turn, argued that Mu’awiya’s invitation was a ruse and that they should not be deceived by it. However, these soldiers eventually compelled ‘Ali and the rest of his army to discontinue fighting. In a few sources, Ali explains that when he saw that his soldiers were willing to murder al-Hasn and al-Husayn, the two grandsons of the Prophet, and other young Hashmids in his ward, he relented.”

    So let us get this straight. Ali was against arbitration? Ali states that Mu’awaiya’s invitation was a ruse.

    Yet, he went through with it because the people who wanted the arbitration were going to kill his kids! Can you imagine! These companions, and people of the Salaaf, and those who fight with him in the battle of the camel. They wanted to kill his kids!

    Yet, on THE….VERY…NEXT….PAGE Nebil Husayn relates to us:

    “After the Muhakkim leave Ali’s army, they encamp in a place known as Harura and, according to both Ibadi and non-Ibadi literature, Ali sends Ibn Abbas to their camp to debate with them and convince them to renew their allegiance to Ali. When Ibn Abbas initially arrives at their camp, he cites Qur’an 4:35,and Qur’an 5:95 as evidence of the legality of deferring to arbitration in disputes.”

    So, on the one hand, we have Ali, who sees this arbitration as a ruse, and we have the Muhakkima that we are told are so onboard for arbitration to the point that they want to kill Ali’s kids (is that not an embellishment or what folks) and then the very next page we have Ali sending Ibn Abbas, one of Islam’s greatest Mufassir of the early period using some wild and bizarre arguments to convince those very same Muhakkima that arbitration (the ruse) was a good idea!

    Why bring your children to war if you are worried about them dying in the first place?

    If you are interested to see both sides of the debate between Ibn Abbas (ra) and the companions of the Prophet (saw) at Nahrawan you may wish to read the following:

    Checkout this website. They have their own version of the Siffin tales.

    Ali takes no responsibility for anything. He gets to wash his hands of it all simply put. He is beset by treachery on all sides. Muawiya is a big man who gets to pick his own representative. Meanwhile, Ali is portrayed as this demure individual who doesn’t even get to pick his own representative! It’s the rebels that do! Because Allah forbid that Ali makes a wrong decision (bad ijtihad) in the choice of representative.

    Ali then gets persuaded to allow one of the parties (‘Amr bin Aas) to be an arbitrator, which is a shi’i website admitting that Ali went against the Qur’an in their own words. Because how can ‘Amr bin Aas be just if he was fighting against the ‘Chief of the Believers’ ???

    The Blessed Messenger (saw) had knowledge of the ghaib (the unseen) and could tell who were the hypocrites and who were not.

    Unfortunately, Ali didn’t have such insights. Ali, who we just learned from Proto-Alid sources, saw that the whole thing was a ruse, and yet goes along with it!

    Source: (https://al-islam.org/restatement-history-islam-and-muslims-sayyid-ali-asghar-razwy/battle-siffin)

    Tales from the Sunni.

    Now, regardless of who, what, when, where and why, all three groups, Shi’i, Sunni & Ibadi agree that Ali bin Abu Talib was the Imam of the Muslims after the death of Uthman. Regardless if we think he should have been the first Caliph or not.

    So we ask the Sunni: “Was Ali the commander of the faithful after the death of Uthman?”  They respond: “Yes.”

    So I ask the Shi’i: “Was Ali the commander of the faithful after the death of Uthman?”  They respond:

    “Yes”

    So I ask the Ibadi: “Was Ali the commander of the faithful after the death of Uthman?” “They respond:

    “Yes”

    So what is the advice of the Blessed Messenger (saw) when we have two people whom the Muslims have given allegiance to?

    “It has been narrated on the authority of Aba Sa’id al-Khudri that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: When oath of allegiance has been taken for two caliphs, kill the one for whom the oath was taken later.”

    Those Sahabah, those companions that differed with Ali went against the book of Allah (swt). They were following what Umar bin Al-Khattab (ra) said:

    I heard ‘Umar bin Al- Khattab (May Allah be pleased with him) reported saying: “In the lifetime of Messenger of Allah (saw) some people were called to account through Revelation. Now Revelation has discontinued and we shall judge you by your apparent acts. Whoever displays to us good, we shall grant him peace and security, and treat him as a near one. We have nothing to do with his insight. Allah will call him to account for that. But whoever shows evil to us, we shall not grant him security nor shall we believe him, even if he professed that his intention is good.”

    Source: (https://sunnah.com/riyadussalihin:395)

    So what Umar ibn Al-Khattab (ra) was saying was that in the time of the Blessed Messenger (saw) people were called to account via revelation, the Qur’an and/or guidance directly from the Blessed Messenger (saw). Now with the revelation discontinued, and having the Qur’an and the Sunnah, we shall judge you by your apparent acts!

    The Sunnis have to paint a picture that Ali was pro arbitration and that those sahabah who were against it were some type of rebels. Even though Muawiya himself was a Khariji who went out and fought against the ‘Chief of the Believers’.

    The Ahl Sunnah are in a real pickle.

    After years of rebellion against the Ummayad Imperium, we get all these hadiths about how the Muslims are supposed to obey the tyrants. Now they are stuck with their Madhkali Salafi brand telling them not to rebel against the leader or the Non-Political Sufi, who tell them to put their “focus on the inward, Mahdi will come and fix it.”

    So the Sunni spin their tales.


    The Shi’a have to paint Ali as anti arbitration and those sahabah as pro arbitration. This is because it is obvious that what Muawiya did was a ruse. The aftermath of Siffin shows that Muawiya didn’t change his ways. However, if we are going to make Ali an infallible Imam, he can’t be seen as being, well, fallible.

    There are even reports from the early historian al-Mada’ini that Mu’awiya encouraged systematic forging and circulation of hadiths affirming the virtues of the caliphs and companions at Ali’s expense.”(cited from Al-Mada’ini’s Kitab al-ahdath; Ahmad b Sa’d al-Din al-Miswari, Al Risala al-munqidha min al-ghiwaya fi turuq al riwaya, pp. 51-55)” This citation is found in Dr. Jonathan Browns book: “Hadith Muhammad’s Legacy in the Medieval and Modern World page 70


    What Dr. Johnathan Brown does not tell you is that the pro-Alids did the same thing in regard to the Ummayad clan.


    So the Shi’i spin their tales. Just like they began to spin their tales about the Blessed Messenger (saw) family. Especially so when infighting about whom the Imam of the time really is.

    May Allah (swt) guide this ummah to the truth!

    May Allah (swt) forgive the Ummah!

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