“Allah said, O Jesus, I shall cause you to die and will exalt you in my presence and shall purify you of the ungrateful disbelieving people, and shall place those who follow you above those who deny the truth, until the Day of Judgement; then to Me shall all return and I will judge between you regarding your disputes.” (Qur’an 3:55)
“And they have thereof no knowledge. They follow not except assumption, and indeed, assumption avails not against the truth at all.” (Qur’an 53:28)
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The Pseudo-Salafis are attacking Imam Imran Hossein because he basically doesn’t believe that the Qur’an says the following:
“And for their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him nor did they impale crucify him but Allah made some random individual look exactly like Jesus and that person was crucified instead of Jesus. Those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no certain knowledge of it, but only follow conjecture. For certainly, they did not kill him.” (Qur’an 4:157)
Now notice that @ 1:27 this “Nasir Al Hanbali” states:
“We will bring the Ayah in the Qur’an and the Tafsir from ibn Kathir narrated by Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan, but notice how this creep (Shaykh Imran Hossein) says: “why don’t you go to the Qur’an and let the Qur’an explain…” but he brings no Ayah from the Qur’an, just his weird: “LET ME WARNN YOUUU!!!“
“You gonna tell Allah on judgement day you caused that man to assume the appearance of someone? And he who never claimed to be the Messiah he was crucified that is an act of injustice! You are attributing injustice to Allah what foolishness. Where are the scholars who will correct this foolishness? That’s why I have to be so forceful in my language. Allah took his soul. That he was dead. They took down the body. They put the body in a cave. They sealed the cave. Allah returned the soul. As simple as that. Nobody knew that the body, that the soul was returned and Allah raised him. But let me warn you one more time. If you stick with this theory of substitution you are going to be in a pathetic state on judgement day. Let me warn you one more time. This is a simple explanation from the Qur’an. “- Shaykh Imran Hossein.
So than “Nasir Al Hanbali” puts the following recitation up:
“Nasir Al Hanbali” than ask us: “Do you think Shaykh Ali Jaabir was wrong and the creep was right?”
My comment:
Where did Shaykh Ali Jabir recite “the resemblance of Isa was put over another man (and they killed that man” ? Shaykh Ali Jabir did not recite that at all! Yet the text put up there fools those who do not understand the Arabic text!
Then, ‘Nasir Al Hanbali’ gives us another reciter.
“Nasir Al Hanbali” than ask us: “Do you think Shaykh Abu Bakr ash-Shatiri was wrong and the creep was right? Let us listen to the next reciter, Shaykh Sa’ood ash-Shuraim.”
Prima Qur’an comment:
Where did Shaykh Abu Bakr ash-Shatiri recite “the resemblance of Isa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)”? Shaykh Abu Bakr ash-Shatiri did not recite that at all! Yet the text put up there fools those who do not understand the Arabic text!
Prima Qur’an comment:
Where did Shaykh Sa’ood ash-Shuraim recite “the resemblance of Isa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)” ? Shaykh Sa’ood ash-Shuraim did not recite that at all! Yet the text put up there fools those who do not understand the Arabic text!
This is simply pure deception on behalf of the one who put the video up.
“Allah said to Isa: Allah said: O Isa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself [Qur’an 3:55] Allah said: “Ya Isa” referring to Isa ibn Maryam (a.s) when the Jews plotted against him, they wanted to kill him. They entered upon him wanting to kill him [because] their norm was to kill Prophets. When they entered upon [Isa ibn Maryam], Allah raised him from amongst them. He made another man resemble him. They grabbed that man, crucified him and killed him thinking that he was Isa. As for Isa, then Allah raised him from amongst and they did not perceive it. That is why Allah says: “but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them [the resemblance of Isa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)],” [Qur’an 4:157] -Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan
Prima Qur’an comment:
Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan has invented an outright lie about Allah (swt)! Let the Shaykh be reminded the following:
“And who is more unjust than one who invents a lie about Allah or says, ‘It has been inspired to me,’ while nothing has been inspired to him, and one who says, ‘I will reveal something like what Allah revealed.’ And if you could but see when the wrongdoers are in the overwhelming pangs of death while the angels extend their hands, saying, ‘Discharge your souls! Today you will be awarded the punishment of [extreme] humiliation for what you used to say against Allah other than the truth and that you were, toward His verses, being arrogant.’” (Qur’an 6:93)
Prima Qur’an comment:
Where did Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan get the daleel from the Qur’an and Sunnah that ” He made another man resemble him.” This is Aqeedah! The Qur’an does not say this! This is not from the Sunnah!
Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan continues:
“Allah made this man resemble the Messiah, Isa. He himself accepted it and ransomed himself; he ransomed himself and he accepted that he would be killed and crucified. Allah honored him and did not waste this person and what he did with the Messiah. It is said that the one who Allah made to resemble Isa was the one who practiced treason; the one who led [the Jews] to Isa. The one employed treachery or betrayed Isa and led the Jews to him. Allah made him resemble Isa, so they killed him. However, the first opinion is more famous, that the one who chose to resemble Isa was honored and he chose to take his place. This man sacrificed himself for the sake of Allah, he was crucified and killed, so the Messiah Isa ibn Maryam could be saved from them. And Allah knows best. Allah raised him alive with him soul and his body. Not how some of the ignorant individuals say: “he was only raised with his soul.” He was raised with his soul and body alive. They were not able to touch him with any harm.” -Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan
Prima Qur’an comment:
Where did Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan get the daleel from the Qur’an and Sunnah that “Allah made this man resemble the Messiah.” This is Aqeedah! The Qur’an does not say this! This is not from the Sunnah! How can we be so carefree in ascribing to Allah (swt) such things and in the next breath say, “he first opinion is more famous.” Of course the opinion that some random person volunteered to be killed sounds better than just some random guy being chosen! The point being Shaykh Salihi al-Fawzan we don’t attribute opinions and conjecture to Allah (swt) !! It would have been appropriate to say that this is an interpretation of the text that was taken from the People of the Book and it does not have a sound chain of narration.
Also, which text in the Qur’an says that Allah (swt) “He was raised with his soul and body alive.”
Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan continues:
“As for His statement: I will take you.. [Qur’an 3:55] The word Wafaat can mean death and it can also mean to sleep. “It is He who takes your souls by night (when you are asleep), and has knowledge of all that you have done by day,. [Quran 6:60]” -Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan
“Wafaat here means to sleep and Allah knows best or I will take you…[Qur’an 3:55], It can also mean to take you. Mutawaffi also means to take; Tawaffa haqqahu min fulaan [he took his rights from so and so]. The word Wafaat here does not mean death. Because the Messiah is still Alive and will descend at the end of times, he will kill the Dajjal and then he will die after that.” -Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan
“Because: “Every soul shall taste death.” [Qur’an 3:185] He [Isa a.s] will die after that. The point of evidence here is that [the Ayah]: “I will take you and raise you to Myself” [Qur’an 3:55] To raise him to him is not done except to a higher place. This is proof that Allah is [always] high and above [His creation]. -Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan
Prima Qur’an comment:
Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan quotes the verses: “It is He who takes your souls by night (when you are asleep), and has knowledge of all that you have done by day,. [Quran 6:60]” Does he not realize that he further proves our point that Jesus is dead? If there is any confusion as to what happens when we “sleep” let the Blessed Messenger (saw) explain it to you.
When we sleep we die. Our soul travels. If Allah (swt) does not return to the soul to the body than we die in our sleep. As far as Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan statement: “To raise him to him is not done except to a higher place. This is proof that Allah is [always] high and above [His creation].”
To Allah (swt) shall all return [not just Jesus].
“Indeed, to Allah we belong and to Allah we shall return.” [Qur’an 2: 156]
It does not mean spatial location. Even though Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan who is fond of taking his creed from the people of the book Allah (swt) is not contained in a spatial location.
“And he said: Lo! I am going to my Lord Who will guide me.” [Qur’an 37:99]
Ibrahim a.s says I am going to my Lord did he mean from place to place? No.
It is unfortunate because the more you investigate the beliefs of ‘Ahl Sunnah Wal Jammah‘ on this you can see they are in disarray over it.
Some say someone random was made to look like Jesus and he was put on a cross.
Other’s say Jesus was on a cross and died.
Other’s say that Jesus was on a cross but he passed out and latter was resuscitated.
“And they have thereof no knowledge. They follow not except assumption, and indeed, assumption avails not against the truth at all.” (Qur’an 53:28)
You maybe interested to read the following:
May Allah (swt) guide them and us.
May Allah (swt) Guide the Ummah.
May Allah (swt) Forgive the Ummah.
Prima Quran 
Assalamu Alaykum,
Jazkallahu khair for your post(s). I benefit a lot from your posts. Alhumdulillah. May Allah SWT accept it from you. Aameen.
There is still one confusion on this matter. It will be helpful if you can share your thoughts on this question.
Question) Qur’an explicitly mentions that Isa (as) is dead, yet Qur’an also calls him a messiah. We know that the people of book had this agreed upon concept of an awaited messiah, who will establish God’s law on earth. We know Isa (as) didn’t do it (yet Christians say he is that messiah). In Qur’an, Allah (swt) never explicitly mentions what HE means by calling Isa (as) a Messiah. This attribution of messiah without rejecting the attached idea to it of an awaited king-messiah, has allowed people to accept the narrations of second coming of Isa (as) and try to impose that understanding on the Qur’anic verses which talks about his death. Because, they believe that since he is the messiah he has to fulfill the prophecy of establishing God’s law on the earth.
PS: Does Ibadi provide any detail as to how “Allah made it appear” to jews that they crucified Isa (as)?
Bismillah ir rahman ir raheem,
Walakum salaam warahmatullah wabarkatuh,
“Jazkallahu khair for your post(s). I benefit a lot from your posts. Alhumdulillah. May Allah SWT accept it from you. Aameen.”
Amin! Kindly keep me in your du’a that Allah (swt) grants you and I and all truth seekers sincerity.
“There is still one confusion on this matter. It will be helpful if you can share your thoughts on this question.”
Will do my level best Allah-willing.
“Question) Qur’an explicitly mentions that Isa (as) is dead, yet Qur’an also calls him a messiah.”
In fact, even recently Shaykh Hamza Yusuf acknowledged that the vast majority of Muslims believe in a second coming of Jesus (as), which means there are Muslims (like us) who do not.
“We know that the people of book had this agreed upon concept of an awaited messiah, who will establish God’s law on earth. We know Isa (as) didn’t do it (yet Christians say he is that messiah). In Qur’an, Allah (swt) never explicitly mentions what HE means by calling Isa (as) a Messiah. This attribution of messiah without rejecting the attached idea to it of an awaited king-messiah, has allowed people to accept the narrations of second coming of Isa (as) and try to impose that understanding on the Qur’anic verses which talks about his death. Because, they believe that since he is the messiah he has to fulfill the prophecy of establishing God’s law on the earth.”
We know that the Jews and Christians are in dispute with one another as well as with us on many points concerning Jesus (as).
1. Jews in general do not believe Jesus (as) had this title of Messiah.
2. Jews do not believe that the Messiah will be born of a virgin.
3. Jews do not have any concept of a Messiah as the word of Allah.
We as Muslims are under no obligation to believe whatever the Jews or Christians conceptualize about the Messiah otherwise we would also have to believe (in as far as the Christians are concerned) that he is the son of God, God incarnate, he died for our sins (or the sins of the elect).
We as Muslims are under no obligation to believe that the theological premise or grounding of their beliefs about the Messiah are based upon anything factual.
“The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah “; and the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?” (Qur’an 9:30)
We are not obligated to believe that Ezra is the son of Allah or that Christian proclamations of Messiah being the son of Allah are true.
The New Testament itself is very clear to anyone who investigates the matter that Jesus (as) was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He was no universal prophet than and he will be no universal prophet in the future.
So If Jesus (as) was not even sent as a universal messenger the first time around what makes everyone so sure he will be second time around?
The only reason Christians need Jesus (as) to come back is because of Jewish expectations of what the Messiah will/will not do. They know he did not meet that criteria so they are the ones who made up this concept.
In fact they expected an imminent return of Jesus (as) and Christian C.S Lewis calls such verses an embarrassment for the Bible.
Christian C.S Lewis called this the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.
https://www.behindthegospels.com/p/surprised-by-cs-lewis-the-most-embarrassing
“But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, You shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man come.” (Matthew 10:23)
“And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.“ (Mark 9:1)
“For this, we say unto you by the word of the Lord, then we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord, himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”(1 Thessalonians 4:15-17)
There is nothing intrinsically attached to the word Messiah that means ruler over the people or ruler over earth.
https://biblehub.com/greek/5547.htm
“Because, they believe that since he is the messiah he has to fulfill the prophecy of establishing God’s law on the earth.”
Exactly, since he is the messiah ….. meaning they have bought into the Jewish idea of what the Messiah is. We have no basis from the Qur’an for this do we?
“PS: Does Ibadi provide any detail as to how “Allah made it appear” to jews that they crucified Isa (as)?”
You see if there are a few views out there concerning Qur’an 4:157
1) The dominant Sunni view that -Jesus (as) was taken bodily alive into heaven and that Allah made someone else to look like Christ Jesus (as) and that person was put on a patibulum -what you call crux or cross.
2) The view of the Qadiani and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. That Jesus (as) himself was put on a patibulum -what you call crux or cross and was taken down alive. This view was latter adopted by Shaykh Ahmed Deedat and Shabir Ally in their debates with Christians.
3) The current Ismaili Nizari Shi’a view that Jesus (as) actually died on the patibulum -what you call crux or cross and his soul was saved-in the way that martyrs are perceived dead.
In spite of their differences lets notice what they have in common dear brother Siddiqui.
1) None of them challenge the so called ‘historical’ nature of the event. They all posit crux/cross as if it is a given they just change it up a bit, jesus was cloned, jesus himself but taken down, jesus himself but died physically not spiritually.
2) They all seem to think that the Qur’an is talking about a patibulum crux or cross. They are ALL in error on this point. It is also a major reason why Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a false claimant because he would have gotten this right if he was indeed a Prophet.
Qur’an 4:157 the entire context is talking about Jews and Jewish claims. There are no Christians mentioned any where in the text. There are no Romans mentioned any where in the text either.
There is no discussion of the so called crucifixion in the Qur’an. It is alien to the Qur’an. It neither negates nor affirms it.
Kindly see this article here:
Allah of the above, Sunni, Qadiani, Ismaili Nizari make Allah (swt) woefully ignorant of Jewish sacred law-may Allah forgive us and protect us.
Jews do not crucify people. They impail them POST MORTEM.
So, if Allah (swt) says:
“And they said in boast we killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah” you would think we should have some data or evidence circulating among them about this correct?
We have the Talmud in which they claim what? That someone (whom is latter identified with Jesus) was stoned AND THEN they impailed him.
https://www.sefaria.org/Deuteronomy.21.22?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en
So first off we need to be clear about this.
Insh’Allah will give you time to digest this information and than Allah-wiling we will come to the crucial text of : “It appeared to them so.” (shubbiha lahum)
Interesting. This seems to be the view of the prominent Salafi cleric Al-Uthaymin: https://abdurrahman.org/2013/12/12/muslims-belief-about-jesus-eesa/
It is intruguing that he states that the Jews, despite their crucifixion of the man who had substituted Jesus, nevertheless “drew on themselves the sin of killing and crucifixion, since they claimed that they killed ‘Eesaa, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allaah, while in reality they killed him not”.
From his world view and perspective it is sensible. As he is arguing from his perspective and world view. It is one that we obviously do not share. However, he is nonetheless consistent with his worldview.
If I may ask, in your opinion, can the differing views regarding the death of Jesus within the Sunni world truly be seen constitute a genuine flaw in their concept of Jesus ?
If I may ask what is your fixation with this particular subject?
But to answer your question If differing views regarding the death of Jesus constitutes a genuine flaw in the Sunni concept of Jesus, let us apply this same logic to Christianity shall we?
How much more so does it mean that Christianity has a genuine flaw in their concept of Jesus when we have Arians, Dyophysitism, Miapyhsitism, Monophysitism, Jewish Christians who did not believe Jesus was any way shape or form a deity, and on and on?
Let us put aside the death we have the entirety of Christendom that have differing views on the very nature of Christ Jesus.
Do you not see this?
Dear Sir
Thnk you very much for your kind reply, and allow me to apologise for being such a bother over the past months. In the interest of full disclosure, I am a PhD student of King College London, currently in the proces of writing a dissertation focusing upon the varying views of the death of Jesus within differing Islamic sects.
My reason for contacting you so often is due to the fact that, over the couse of my years of research, you are the only Ibadi who both dicusses his view of the fate of Jesus in contrast to the overwhelming Sunni mainstream. Indeed there seems to be a notable absence of Ibadi sources regarding Jesus within Western academia. If I have been a source of annoyance in my questioning, please know that this was not my intent and that I am truly sorry for any inconvenience I have caused.
As I have said before, the subject of Christ’s death (or rather lack thereof) and his return at the end of Time is central to so much of western ‘Dawah’, and so a coherently argued critique of such a view is fascinating to me. Please know that I shall not bother you any more, and that I wish you all the very very best. Whilst there is much I do not concur with, your writing is always educational. God bless, love and keep you always.
Yours Sincerely
T
May Allah guide you to the truth.
P.S A sunni acquaintance of mine, an avid believer in the substitution theory, voiced the following opinion regarding the execution of Jesus. As a final question may I ask your view of the following?:
“The Quran does not conflict with the historical fact that “someone” was indeed crucified and people called him Jesus. But how can we actually prove “historically” that this man was in fact the same Jesus of Nazareth the son of Mary? No one can tell.
Here is what the Quran specifically mentioned: “And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.”But they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but it was made to appear to them so. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.” Quran 4:157
So here we are told that Jesus was not really crucified or killed but the entire scene was MADE TO APPEAR to the people so, and that’s why it was recorded in history. But the fact is, we are told that he was not killed no crucified.
So the Quran does not conflict the historical records here [because people have seen “someone” was put on the cross], however there was a correction being made as well that the whole event was made to appear to those who wanted to kill him”.
I believe we have been over this. Kindly defer to previous responses to this line of inquiry which has been asked multiple times.