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November 24, 2023 · 8:52 am

Are Sunni sources correct that we don’t have the entire Qur’an with us?

And recite that which hath been revealed unto you of the Scripture of thy Lord. There is none who can change His words, and you will find no refuge beside Him. (Qur’an 18:27)

“We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.” (Qur’an 15:9)

“It is for us to assemble it and to promulgate it. And when we have promulgated it, follow thou its recital (as promulgated). Nay more, it is for us to explain it.” (Qur’an 75:17-19)

“It is not you who slew them; it was Allah: when you threw , it was not your act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself: for Allah is He Who hears and knows (all things). (Qur’an 8:17)

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Perhaps one of the most fundamental things that sets the Ahl Haqq Wal Istiqama (The People of Truth and Steadfastness) is the issue of the integrity of the sacred sources. None more important than the foundation of our faith, the Qur’an.

One can say they love the Blessed Messenger (saw) with every fiber of their beings. One can say they are defenders and vanguard of the Sunnah of the Blessed Messenger (saw). However, all of that is an absolute façade if one cannot defend the integrity of the foundation of our faith; namely the Qur’an.

In fact one Sunni apologist whom is known for mostly engaging with Shi’i made a video exclaiming that the fact that chapters of the Qur’an were forgotten and the fact that people forgot it was a proof for it’s veracity and integrity! Can you Imagine!

This article is written to refute the very dangerous assertion by those sources of the Sunni denomination whom proclaim that the Qur’an that Muslims have today does not have the entirety of the Qur’an with in it!

Those particular sources of the Sunni denomination lead us to the following conclusions:

a) There are large portions of the Qur’an that are simply missing (because they were forgotten)!

b) There is some Qur’an that is not in the Qur’an that Muslims have today.

c) The Qur’an abrogates (over rides/cancels) other parts of the Qur’an.

d) That c leads to the concept of redundant revelation.

The position of such people that believe these concepts and sources are an accurate portrayal of our faith is that we do not have the whole of the Qur’an today but we simply have the Qur’an that Allah (swt) intended us to have. Read that again because such a position is extremely nuanced and slippery.

Before I begin I would like to say that I would consider myself a fairly open minded Muslim. I would also consider myself able to accept a wide range of opinions and views with in the Islamic tradition.

However, when it comes to anyone trying to undermine the revelation of the Qur’an and thus undermine Islam in the process I am not open to such a position. It is without doubt a major redline.

In fact when some of the early scholars were writing text on issues of creed I do not see how they left out this most important issue; namely that the total Qur’an has come down to us without being tampered with, intact, guarded, preserved.

I do not compromise on the position that the Qur’an is 100% complete. Now those scholars of the Sunni denomination may allege that I misrepresent their position.

They will claim that they too believe that the Qur’an is 100% complete and at the same time they will affirm all of the oral traditions below. This tongue and cheek approach is anything but sincere.  I believe in what Allah has said in the Qur’an.

1) Allah will guard the Qur’an.

2) None can change Allah’s words

3) Allah will collect, propagate and distribute the Qur’an.

4) Nothing Allah (swt) revealed is redundant.

The Qur’an itself claims it is easy to remember and itself is called the dhikr, that which is remembered, recalled.

“And We have certainly made the Quran easy to remember. So is there anyone who will be mindful?” (Qur’an 54:17)

“This (is) a Reminder. And indeed, for the righteous surely, is a good place of return.” (Qur’an 38: 49) 

So imagine that Allah (swt) has said the Qur’an is easy to remember and even calls the Qur’an something that is recalled. Yet, these people want to claim that even the Blessed Messenger (saw) forgot his revelation.

They will often cite the following as evidence:

“We will have you recite ˹the Quran, O  Prophet,˺ so you will not forget ˹any of it˺, unless Allah wills otherwise. He surely knows what is open and what is hidden.” (Qur’an 87: 6-7)

Some of the detractors focus on the part “unless Allah wills”.

First, it is important to understand that Allah’s will is not like a human will. If a human being wills something today that person may change their mind tomorrow, and when tomorrow comes they may again adopt a completely different idea.

Because exception by the Will of Allah comes in the Word of Allah to emphasize that what is reported happens by His Will (not otherwise). If he wills the opposite of that, it will be so. When Allah (swt) says that something happens if He wills it, it is intended to show His power and majesty because He has control over all things.

That is like in His saying, Exalted is He:

“We would have invented against Allah a lie if we returned to your religion after Allah had saved us from it. And it is not for us to return to it except what Allah wills. Our Lord has encompassed all things in knowledge. Upon Allah, we have relied. Our Lord, decide between us and our people in truth, and You are the best of those who give a decision.” (Qur’an 7:89)

We can see the phrase: ‘Except what Allah wills‘ above.

Does anyone think for a moment that the will of Allah (swt) that people leave Islam for their previous religion? Does anyone think, ‘Well you know there may be exceptions were Allah wants people to leave Islam and practice Shirk again!‘. It is an absolutely ridiculous idea.

Another example:

Certainly, has Allah showed to His Messenger the vision in truth. You will certainly enter al-Masjid al-Haram, if Allah wills, in safety, with your heads shaved and hair shortened, not fearing anyone. He knew what you did not know and has arranged before that a conquest near at hand.” (Qur’an 48:27)   

This verse cannot be construed that Allah (swt) will ‘change his mind‘ as Allah (swt) has already given his decision on this matter: “You will CERTAINLY enter.” 

Another example:

He will say, “The Fire is your residence, wherein you will abide eternally, except for what Allah wills. Indeed, your Lord is Wise and Knowing.” (Qur’an 6:128)

People use this to try and argue that people will not remain in the hellfire forever.

This is also clear from the following text:

“They would desire to go forth from the fire, and they shall not go forth from it, and they shall have a lasting punishment.” (Qur’an 5:37)

“Surely as for those who reject Our communications and turn away from them haughtily, the doors of heaven shall not be opened for them, nor shall they enter the garden until the camel pass through the eye of the needle; and thus do We reward the guilty.” (Qur’an 7:40)

So as we have seen ‘Except what Allah wills‘ can be seen as a rhetorical device.

They will also bring the following as evidence:

“We do not abrogate an ayat or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?” (Qur’an 2:106)

They are so certain that the word ‘ayat’ is used for the Qur’an itself rather than previous revelations or even miracles for that matter.

“There is no changing in the words of Allah.” (Qur’an 10:64)

So what about those who say what about the previous revelations? I have an article on that and Allah (swt) clearly told us in the Qur’an whom was responsible for safeguarding the previous revelations:

“Verily, It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (the Qur’an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption) .” (Qur’an 15:9)

“…and the rabbis and the priest (judged according to their Scriptures), FOR TO THEM WAS ENTRUSTED THE PROTECTION OF THE BOOK OF ALLAH, and they were witnesses to it.” (Qur’an 5:44)

For those interested you may read my article: Is the Bible the Unadulterated Word of God?

https://primaquran.com/2022/10/04/is-the-bible-the-unadulterated-word-of-god/

So let us look at the claims contained with in Sunni sources.

The claims of Sayuti have mostly not been translated into English but remain in Arabic and other language sources.

The great Sunni Imam Sayuti claims records that

“It is reported from Ismail ibn Ibrahim from Ayyub from Naafi from Ibn Umar who said: “Let none of you say ‘I have full knowledge of the Quran’. How could he know what full knowledge of it is when much of the Quran has passed by him! Rather, let him say ‘I have acquired of the Qur’an that which is present.’”.

Source: (As-Suyuti, AlItqan fii Ulum al-Quran page 524)

‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Qur’an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Qur’an (and recited by the Muslims).

Source: https://sunnah.com/muslim:1452a

Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash’ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur’an and he said:

You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara’at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:” If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust.” And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:” Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practice” (lxi 2.) and” that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection” (xvii. 13).

Source: (https://sunnah.com/muslim:1050)

Abu Waqid al-Laithii said, “When the messenger of Allah (saw) received the revelation we would come to him and he would teach us what had been revealed. (I came) to him and he said ‘It was suddenly communicated to me one day: Verily Allah says, We sent down wealth to maintain prayer and deeds of charity, and if the son of Adam had a valley he would leave it in search for another like it and, if he got another like it, he would press on for a third, and nothing would satisfy the stomach of the son of Adam but dust, yet Allah is relenting towards those who relent.”

Source: (As-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur’an , p.525).

“We used to recite a surah similar to one of the Musabbihaat, and I no longer remember it but this much I have indeed preserved: ‘O you who truly believe why do you preach that which you do not practice?’ (and) ‘that is inscribed on your necks as a witness and you will be examined about it on the Day of Resurrection.’ 

Source: (as-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur’an, p.526).

“Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam from al-Qaqa ibn Hakim that Abu Yunus, the mawla of A’isha, umm al-muminin said, “A’isha ordered me to write out a Qur’an for her. She said, ‘When you reach this ayat, let me know, “Guard the prayers carefully and the middle prayer and stand obedient to Allah.”‘ When I reached it I told her, and she dictated to me, ‘Guard the prayers carefully and the middle prayer and the asr prayer and stand obedient to Allah.’ A’isha said, ‘I heard it from the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace.'”

Source: https://sunnah.com/malik/8/27

“Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam that Amr ibn Rafi said, “I was writing a Qur’an for Hafsa, umm al-muminin, and she said, ‘When you reach this ayat, let me know, “Guard the prayers carefully and the middle prayer and stand obedient to Allah.”‘ When I reached it I told her and she dictated to me, ‘Guard the prayers carefully and the middle prayer and the asr prayer and stand obedient to Allah.”

Source: (Malik’s Muwatta, Book 8, Number 8.8.27)

Prima Qur’an comments:

Let me ask you my Muslim brothers and sisters when you open up the Qur’an do you find “Guard the prayers carefully and the middle prayer and the asr prayer and stand obedient to Allah.” ?

https://www.islamawakened.com/index.php/qur-an  (just in case you do not have a Qur’an with you) Now for me the above are less serious as they can easily be attributed to a scribal error. People would often sit for long sessions taking information and transcribing. So I do not find the above to be truly problematic. However, it is a glaring reality that lone narrator reports do not necessarily convey absolute certainty.

Narrated Ibn `Abbas:

`Umar said, “I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, “We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book,” and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession.” Sufyan added, “I have memorized this narration in this way.” `Umar added, “Surely Allah’s Messenger (saw) carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him.”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6829)

Zirr ibn Hubaish reported: “Ubayy ibn Ka’b said to me, ‘What is the extent of Suratul-Ahzab? ‘I said, ‘Seventy or seventy-three verses’. He said, ‘Yet it used to be equal to Suratul-Baqarah and in it we recited the verse of stoning’. I said, ‘And what is the verse of stoning’? He replied, ‘The fornicators among the married men ( ash-shaikh)) and married women (ash-shaikhah), stone them as an exemplary punishment from Allah, and Allah is Mighty and Wise.”‘

Source: (As-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur’an , p.524).

The other issue is that scholars of the Sunni have adopted a theological position which states that the Qur’an is eternal.

You can see another Sunni Muslim apologist outline that position below.

http://sunnianswers.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/clarity-on-the-different-sayings-about-the-quraan/

Why I bring this up is that the Sunni Muslim scholars hold to the doctrine of abrogation.

So now we have a Qur’an that is both eternal that contains verses that abrogate each other?

Welcome to the very weird theological position of eternal abrogation!  This is as weird a theological position as the Christian claim of ‘eternally begotten’.   How are you going to be eternal and begotten at the same time?  How is the Qur’an going to be eternal and abrogated simultaneously?  Odd, very odd indeed.

How could you have an eternal perfect revelation that is at the same time replaced by other eternal revelation that is either similar to or superior than it?

But this is where it gets very messy.

I could very well see them making the counter claim.  “No brother you see all the verses are eternal, what you don’t understand is that they were revealed in different sequences.”

Yet, the Allah (swt) says in the Qur’an:

“Do they not consider the Qur’an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.” (Qur’an 4:82)

The idea that the Qur’an would contain eternal redundant revelation is both blasphemous and cause for pensive reflection

Prima Qur’an Conclusion:

The ideas that the sources of the Sunni denomination are propagating that the Qur’an does not contain the entire Qur’an I feel greatly undermines the preservation, and veracity of the text of the Qur’an.

Perhaps more than any other view on aqidah it is this belief that separates the Ibadi perspective from that of the Sunni perspective (with dissenting voices) as mentioned.

It puts the ultimate weapon in the hands of the detractors of faith to tear down the entirety of Islam.

The sources of the Sunni denomination have no moral ground, and in fact no justification to lift a pen in the defense of Islam, do a radio or television program, or write an article or book  to defend this great faith because it is all done in vain.

Why on Earth Princess Leia would hand over plans to the death star to the empire, and than claim she has the best interest of the rebellion at heart is beyond me!

As a follow up I need to write an entry for the following. (Allah-willing)

a) showing the problematic nature of believing the Qur’an to be eternal.

https://primaquran.com/2023/04/09/the-quran-is-created-4/

b) refuting the idea that the Qur’an abrogates itself.

https://primaquran.com/2022/10/04/why-abrogation-in-the-quran-is-a-false-doctrine/

I leave you with the supreme words of the Creator.

Those who distort Our revelations are not hidden from Us. Is one who is thrown into Hell better, or one who comes secure on the Day of Resurrection? Do whatever you wish; He is Seer of what you do. Those who have rejected the Reminder when it came to them; and it is an Honorable Book. No falsehood could enter it, presently or afterwards; a revelation from One Most Wise, Praiseworthy. (Qur’an 41:40-42)

Moses said to them: “Woe to you, do not invent lies about God, else the retribution will take you, and miserable is the one who invents.” (Qur’an 20:61)

May Allah Guide the Ummah.

May Allah Forgive the Ummah.

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November 21, 2023 · 10:22 am

The Ibadi view: Gog and Magog (Juj Wa Majuj) & The Coming of Jesus

They pleaded, “O Zul-Qarnain! Surely Gog and Magog are spreading corruption throughout the land. Should we pay you tribute, provided that you build a wall between us and them?” (Qur’an 18:94)

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He said, “This is a mercy from my Lord. And when the Promise of my Lord comes, He will crumble it to dust. And the Promise of my Lord is true.” (Qur’an 18:98)

“And We shall leave them, on that Day, to surge against one another like waves. And the trumpet shall be blown, and We shall gather them together.” (Qur’an 18:99)

First we will share a clip in which the Mufti of Oman, the Islamic Scholar, the Sword on the Neck of the Munafiq, His Imminence, Shaykh Ahmed Al Khalili (h) touches upon two topics:

The emergence of Gog and Magog and the so-called second coming of Jesus (as). For those of you conversant in Arabic, you may follow along. Otherwise, a translation in English is provided below: insh’Allah.

First question about Juj & Majuj

Grand Mufti was asked if there are some signs in the Qur’an about Juj & Majuj. Can you share with us your view on this issue? Have they already come or are they yet to come later?

Grand Mufti replies: “This depends upon the research of the scholars. As there are many scholars who have agreed that they have already come forth. And this is not far away from reality, because it is possible that between their coming and the day of judgement there is a lot of time in between these events. Time is different from how we measure time. It is like the time on the day of judgement would be like 50,00 years of our time.”

Dr. Saif AlHadi asked what is meant in the Qur’an:

“Until he reached ˹a pass˺ between two mountains. He found in front of them a people who could hardly understand ˹his˺ language.” (Qur’an 18:93) and than the following verse:

“They pleaded, “O Zul-Qarnain! Surely Gog and Magog are spreading corruption throughout the land. Should we pay you tribute, provided that you build a wall between us and them?” (Qur’an 18:94)

So Dr Saif AlHadi is asking how we join these verses? Because if you take the apparent text of the Qur’an without approach to interpretative measures, it may not make sense. At first, they find a people who scarcely understands any word, and then suddenly, in the next verse, are those people able to communicate their issue with him?

So, to this, the Grand Mufti replies: There are two possibilities.

1) “That the majority of them do not understand anything but this would not mean all of them do not understand. So it is possible they have learned among those who understand but not the masses of them. “

2) “The other possibility is the use of another language common between the two.”

Now the question comes to the: The Coming of Jesus.

Grand Mufti replies: “There is a difference of opinion among scholars. This revolves around the (Qur’an 3:55) “I will give you death and I will raise you up to me.” and how one understands it. As well as: Rather, “Allah raised him up to Himself. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise” (Qur’an 4:158) as well as the various narrations on the matter. Yet these hadith for us are not tawatur. We also have to take into account that the Prophet is the last prophet and no prophet is coming after him. The Messenger of Allah and seal of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, The Knowing. (Qur’an 33:40) So as we understand this Jesus (as) will not come. The narrations are not mutawatir and thus we cannot take on this matter.”

Prima-Qur’an comments:

The respected Shaykh mentions that the hadith that mention the return fo Jesus (as) are not tawatur and thus they are not decisive as evidence for us.

In fact, if one were to look into the hadith on the matter they will find a what conficts with and contradicts one another as well as the Qur’an.

What about all the hadith on the return of Jesus (as)? Part 2

Dear readers, when one reads the Qur’an, you can see that Juj (Gog) & Majuj (Magog) were real people, real nations or tribes that would accost and harass some people. Zul-Qarnain was asked to erect a barrier to keep those people out. They were not supranatural peoples.

wanufikha fi l-suri (AND) will be blown the Trumpet. As Shaykh explained, he is of the mind that this event (The coming of Gog and Magog) has already happened. Now in English it is easy to get caught up in the flow of the language. Yet, the WA (And) is not something that indicates immediately after. We saw this in our article here:

Shaykh Salek bin Siddina al-Maliki Return of Jesus: The use of hysteron proteron.

In the above article, the respected Shaykh understood the WA(And) in Qur’an 3:55 as a vast period of time. Allowing him to believe that a lapse of time of more than 2000 years has passed.

The Shaykh also mentioned that it is possible we are in those end times now. However, we should understand that how Allah (swt) views and measures time is quite different from our vantage point.

“And they ask you to hasten on the punishment, and Allah will by no means fail in His promise, and surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you count.” (Qur’an 22:47)

Next, another verse not brought up in the discussion above, but the other place we am aware of in the Qur’an speaking of Gog and Magog is the following:

“Until ˹after˺ Gog and Magog have broken loose ˹from the barrier˺, swarming down from every hill, ushering in the True Promise. Then—behold!—the disbelievers will stare ˹in horror, crying,˺ “Oh, woe to us! We have truly been heedless of this. In fact, we have been wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 21:96-97)

The above verse simply reinforces the point made here:

“And We shall leave them, on that Day, to surge against one another like waves. And the trumpet shall be blown, and We shall gather them together.” (Qur’an 18:99)

Which, again, is not on the day of judgement but at a time before it.

Conclusion: In the Ibadi school. Juj(Gog) and Majuj (Magog) have already come. Jesus (as) has died, and he will not come back.

In the end, we defer our matter to the masters of the Arabic language.

May Allah (swt) guide the Ummah to what is beloved to Allah (swt).

If you would like, perhaps you would be interested in reading the following:

Assistant Grand Mufti of Oman says No coming of Mahdi and Jesus is dead and will not return.
A Christian Dilemma & How might Jesus have died?
The definitive proof from the Ibadi school that Jesus is dead and will not return.
Ibadi view on Dajjal & End of Times Eschatology

May Allah Guide the Ummah.

May Allah Forgive the Ummah.

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November 10, 2023 · 3:35 pm

Madhkali Salafiyyah The scourge of the Ummah?

“And DO NOT OBEY the order of the transgressors, Who cause corruption in the land and do not amend their ways” (Qur’an 26:151-152) 

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“They will kill the Muslims but will not disturb the idolaters. If I should live up to their time’ I will kill them as the people of ‘Ad were killed (i.e. I will kill all of them)”

Source: https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3344

Two points I want to dive into from the get go.

As mentioned before in a previous article. Having a stable government and a country or nation that you live in where your basic needs and necessities are being met is a huge provision and blessing of Allah (swt). Political stability is a huge blessing and provision from Allah (swt).

Yet, political stability cannot come as an enjoyment to one group of people and one class of people and a hardship for others.

Allah (swt) has commanded that we stand firm for justice and that this justice cannot be selective justice or a justice that is subservient to our whims and desires.

“O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah, even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives. Whether one is rich or poor, Allah is more worthy of both.” (Qur’an 4:135)

From Palestine to Yemen from Libya to Sudan. We have Muslim brothers who do not speak out against the leaders not because they are afraid of Abdel Fattah El-Sisi or Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud. They do not speak up because they fear that if they do they are going against Allah (swt) and his Blessed Messenger (saw). This has been implanted in their minds so that powerful rulers can stay in place and justify what ever decision or policy they wish and the masses have nothing to do but to keep quite on the matter.

Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman reported: I asked, “O Messenger of Allah, we were living in an evil time and Allah brought us good in which we live now. Will there be evil after this good?” The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Yes.” I said, “And any good after this evil?” The Prophet said, “Yes.” I said, “And any evil after this good?” The Prophet said, “Yes.” I said, “How will it be?” The Prophet said, “Leaders after me will come who do not follow my guidance and my Sunnah. Some of their men will have the hearts of devils in a human body.” I said, “O Messenger of Allah, what should I do if I live to see that time?” The Prophet said, “You should listen and obey the ruler, even if he strikes your back and takes your wealth, even still listen and obey.”

Source: https://sunnah.com/muslim:1847b

This is the hadith that is used by the Madhkali Salafiyyah as a proof text to justify their position.

We say that this hadith if taken the way the Madhkali want you to take it will cause confusion and clashes with other equally authentic reports that report contrary statements from the Blessed Messenger (saw).

The first point is to acknowledge that the in this hadith the Blessed Messenger (saw) is clearly stating they these leaders are not upon the guidance that the Prophet (saw) is upon. It is also clearly stating that they do not follow his way.

The second point where it is attributed to the Prophet (saw) the following:

“The Prophet said, “You should listen and obey the ruler, even if he strikes your back and takes your wealth, even still listen and obey.”

This means with right. That taw’il or interpretation of this is if the leader strikes your back or takes your wealth (with right).

Examples could be: The punishment for flogging. For fornication for drinking etc. There are examples of sahabah being whipped for drinking etc.

Taking your money could mean zakaat that is not paid. Abu Bakr (ra) fought what was known as the rida wars for those who did not pay the zakaat.

However….

It cannot mean that obey the leader even if he takes your wealth or strikes your back (without right).

So now let us look at what is the truth on this matter and openings are only with Allah (swt). May Allah (swt) guide is to the truth of these matters.

Three inconvenient points that Madhkali Salafi leave out when talking about obeying the ruler.

1. That ruler is singular.

2. That when the Blessed messenger (saw) says rulers (plural) it is always in succession and never concurrent. Meaning Muslims are not divided in their leadership.

3. The audience that is being addressed is a united Muslim body under united leadership.

Notice a very relatable argument that Prophet Joseph (as) uses:

Prophet Joseph (as) uses a relatable argument to his fellow prisoners. Something to think about.

“Oh my fellow companions of this prison, are masters with separate agendas better or Allah, The One, The Subjugator?” (Qur’an 12:39)

O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in the result. (Qur’an 4:59).

Understanding the proof.

In this clear verse, we find that in matters of disagreement between those in authority and those under authority, we need to refer back to Allah and the Messenger. Had it been that, those in authority were infallible or divinely appointed, or to be given absolute obedience then, Allah (swt) wouldn’t have given any scope to disagree with them.

The fact that there is disagreement proves that “those in authority aka the Uli-l-amri”, are neither an absolute nor an infallible authority, nor are Muslims to submit to their seat of power in all things.

These two verses together (Qur’an 4:59 & Qur’an 49:9) absolutely debunk the idea that Muslims cannot rebel against a leader. It is not reasonable to think that if two groups of believers were fighting each other (with intent to kill) that the leader would not be among one of the two warring factions himself! Thus, he would be opposed.

The leader would either be in group A or in group B.

Notice that it uses the word ‘believers’ when discussing those who would be fighting (with intent to kill). Also says until it complies with Allah’s command (amri-l-lahi). Notice it does not say until it complies with the uli-l-amri (those that are given authority over you).

Let it be known that the Qur’an is qati (it is decisive in proof and evidences).

Looking at hadith from the sunnah of the Blessed Messenger (saw).

“Verily, tyrannical rulers will come after me and whoever affirms their lies and supports their oppression has nothing to do with me and I have nothing to do with him, and he will not drink with me at the fountain in Paradise. Whoever does not affirm their lies and does not support their oppression is part of me and I am part of him, and he will drink with me at the fountain in Paradise.”

Source: https://sunnah.com/nasai:4207

“If an Ethiopian slave with a cut off nose and ear were appointed as your ruler, you would have to listen to and obey his orders as long as he rules in accordance with the Book of Allah.

Source: https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2861

Narrated ‘Abdullah:

The Prophet said, “A Muslim has to listen to and obey (the order of his ruler) whether he likes it or not, as long as his orders involve not one in disobedience (to Allah), but if an act of disobedience (to Allah) is imposed one should not listen to it or obey it.

Source: https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7144

Explanation of the apparent contradiction.

Look carefully at the two hadith. The Blessed Messenger (saw) is acknowledging that we as Muslims may outright have hypocrites as leaders. “Will have the hearts of devils in a human body.” This is the batin (the hidden). In Islam we do not judge by the batin (hidden). The man could be rotten to the core. This could be true of any of us for that matter. Allah (swt) sees and knows all.

If we were to put the two hadith together we have the following hadith of the Blessed Messenger (saw):

“A Muslim has to listen to and obey the ruler, even if he strikes your back and takes your wealth, even still listen and obey. As long as his orders do not involve one in disobedience, but if an act of disobedience is imposed one should not listen to it or obey it.“

Now it makes total sense. Now the apparent contradiction is resolved.

Now we know what was meant by the righteous Amir of the Muslims. Umar Ibn Al Khattab (ra).

Abdullah ibn ‘Utbah reported: Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) said,

“Verily, people were judged by revelation in the time of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, and the revelation has ceased. We only judge now what is manifested outwardly of your deeds. Whoever shows us good, we will trust him and bring him close. It is not for us to judge anything of his inner secrets. Allah will hold him accountable for his inner secrets. Whoever shows us evil, we will never trust him or believe him even if it is said his intentions are good.

Source: https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2641

The highest Jihad in Islam.

It was narrated from Tariq bin Shihab that:

‘”A man asked the Prophet, when he had put his leg in the stirrup: “Which kind of Jihad is best?'” He said: ” A word of truth spoken before an unjust rulers.”

Source: https://sunnah.com/nasai:4209

Now some people may also want to interpret this hadith to mean something pacifist. It is the right of every Muslim to receive good counsel, even the corrupt rulers. Yet, why is this the highest form of Jihad? Because more often than not it leads to martyrdom.

“[Pharaoh] said, “You believed him before I gave you permission. Indeed, he is your leader who has taught you magic. So I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will impale you on/in the trunks of palm trees, and you will surely know which of us is more severe in [giving] punishment and more enduring.” (Qur’an 20:71)

Did these magicians incite rebellion? Well, that depends. They are not recorded to have incited rebellion against Pharaoh. They did not take up weapons against him. However, some times simply by speaking the truth and uncovering that which is false can undermine a ruler, a false idea or a false ideology. Hence censorship and telling the people to keep quite.

Thus,

“Which kind of Jihad is best?” The Blessed Messenger (saw) replies:

“A word of truth spoken before an unjust rulers.”

Shaykh Abdur Rahman Sudays is basically saying that the killings are “fitna”. That we should not get involved and that we refer the matter back to the ruler and the scholars.

Meanwhile the military police stand close watch. Some how does not seem very convincing.

We should not be so quick as to condemn Shaykh Abdur Rahman Sudays or any of the other scholars. However, when geopolitical allegiances and alliances are involved we should be careful of who is saying what and what is the affiliation of their government.

On the authority of Abu Sa`eed al-Khudree (ra) who said:

I heard the Messenger of Allah (swt) say, “Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.”

Source: https://sunnah.com/nawawi40:34

So be very careful dear brothers and sisters on racing to condemn each other. The Blessed Messenger (saw) has left some scope based upon the abilities of each individual.

  1. He (saw) started by saying we should change the munkar (evil) with our hands.
  2. However, if you cannot do so with your hands than through your speech.
  3. If you are unable to do so via speech than at the very least hate it in your heart.

Not everyone is ready or prepared for martyrdom and even those of us who are may not be prepared to have our families threatened, or killed or horrific ways.

So condemning these nation state “rulers” you will end up with labels, “Khawarij” you may end u imprisoned and/or face horrific torture.

Make du’a for every single scholar of Islam from all the various Islamic schools of thought that Allah (swt) protect them guide them and give them strength.

“One does not deviate from obedience to the ruler, even if he commits adultery and drinks alcohol on live television!” ?

The improper understanding of the Qur’an and the Sunnah is what leads people like Dr. Abdulaziz Al-Rays to say the following:

This actually depends.

“If an Ethiopian slave with a cut off nose and ear were appointed as your ruler, you would have to listen to and obey his orders as long as he rules in accordance with the Book of Allah.”

Source: https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2861

So in the case of adultery on live television he would have enough witnesses to bring the punishment of adultery upon him and thus would be the leader no more as he would be executed.

In the case of drinking alcohol he would be whipped.

If he submits to the book of Allah (swt) one has scope to argue that he is to be obeyed. If he does not submit to the book of Allah (swt) than he is a hypocrite and what has Allah (swt) told us about the hypocrites?

“O Prophet! Fear Allah and do not obey the unbelievers and the hypocrites: certainly Allah is aware and wise.” (Qur’an 33:1)

There are a few scenarios when it comes to the rulers.

Example 1 Outwardly pious but inwardly evil. This was already discussed.


Example 2 Outwardly impious and ask us to go against the Qur’an and the Sunnah. Than he is definitely not to be obeyed.

Example 3 Outwardly impious does not ask us to go against the Qur’an and the Sunnah. However, he himself goes against the Qur’an and the Sunnah. This will depend upon the nature of his rebellion against the the Qur’an and the Sunnah.

Be very careful with point number 3. That is where things can get slippery. For example look at the following hadith:

Narrated ‘Ali:

“The Prophet sent an army unit (for some campaign) and appointed a man from the Ansar as its commander and ordered them (the soldiers) to obey him. (During the campaign) he became angry with them and said, “Didn’t the Prophet order you to obey me?” They said, “Yes.” He said, “I order you to collect wood and make a fire and then throw yourselves into it.” So they collected wood and made a fire, but when they were about to throw themselves into it, they started looking at each other, and some of them said, “We followed the Prophet to escape from the fire. How should we enter it now?” So while they were in that state, the fire extinguished and their commander’s anger abated. The event was mentioned to the Prophet and he said, “If they had entered it (the fire) they would never have come out of it, for obedience is required only in what is good.”

Source: https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7145

Similar to this:

Ali said, “The Messenger of Allah(saw) sent an army and appointed a man as a commander for them and he commanded them to listen to him and obey. He kindled fire and ordered them to jump into it. A group refused to enter into it and said “We escaped from the fire; a group intended to enter into it. When the Prophet (saw) was informed about it, he said “Had they entered into it, they would have remained into it. There is no obedience in matters involving disobedience to Allah. Obedience is in matters which are good and universally recognized.

Source: https://sunnah.com/abudawud:2625

It was narrated from ‘Ali that the Prophet (saw) said:

`There is no obedience to any human being if it involves disobedience to Allah.`

Source: https://sunnah.com/ahmad:1065

It was narrated from Ali that the Prophet (saw) said:

`There is no obedience to any created being if it involves disobedience to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted.”

Source: https://sunnah.com/ahmad:1095

So all of those three hadith are not saying that you do not obey the leader if he slips up or makes mistakes or sins. Those hadith are saying that we, the people do not have to obey the leaders if they order us to do something against the Qur’an and the Sunnah.

This is a very important point to keep in mind.

It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira (ra) that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said:

“It is obligatory for you to listen to the ruler and obey him in adversity and prosperity, in pleasure and displeasure, and even when another person is given (rather undue) preference over you.”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/muslim:1836)

More contradictory hadith?

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah’s Messenger (saw) said, “Whoever obeys me, obeys Allah, and whoever disobeys me, disobeys Allah, and whoever obeys the ruler I appoint, obeys me, and whoever disobeys him, disobeys me.”

Source: https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7137

Narrated Ibn Umar (ra)

The Prophet (saw) said:

“It is obligatory for one to listen to and obey (the ruler’s orders) unless these orders involve one disobedience (to Allah); but if an act of disobedience (to Allah) is imposed, he should not listen to or obey it.”

Source: https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2955

Now when the two hadith are combined the apparent contradiction is removed. We are to obey the ruler as long as the ruler does not ask one to disobey Allah (swt) or his Messenger (saw).

The hadith on not over throwing the ruler as long as he does his prayer among you.

More contradictory hadith?

It has been narrated on the authority of ‘Auf b. Malik that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said:

“The best of your rulers are those whom you love and who love you, who invoke Allah’s blessings upon you and you invoke His blessings upon them. And the worst of your rulers are those whom you hate and who hate you and whom you curse and who curse you. It was asked (by those present): Shouldn’t we overthrow them with the help of the sword? He said: No, as long as they establish prayer among you. If you then find anything detestable in them. You should hate their administration, but do not withdraw yourselves from their obedience.”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/muslim:1855b)

How to reconcile the apparent contradiction?

In other words if they do not establish prayer among us and if they stop ruling according to the book of Allah than obedience is forfeit.

How do we know that our understanding of the Qur’an and Sunnah is the correct one?

Because this is how the companions of the Blessed Messenger (saw) understood it.

“O people, whoever among you sees any crookedness in me in my character, my deals, my action, then let him straighten out that crookedness.” A man from the audience called out, “By Allah, were we to see any crookedness in you, we would have straightened it out with our swords.’ Umar then said, “All praise is for Allah, who has placed in this nation someone who will straighten the crookedness of Umar with his sword.’”

Source: (Akhbar Umar (pg. 231,232) and Ar-Riyadh an Nadirah)

Subhan’Allah is there a Muslim leader alive today who claims to be greater than Umar (ra)?

Secondly after Caliph Uthman was admonished again and again by the Muslims he was overthrown. By the Khawarij they will tell you. Well….about that.

Salafi preacher admits a companion killed Uthman not the so called Khawarij.

So now you are in a pickle.
If Amr b. al-Hamiq al-Khuza’i is to be damned (there goes the doctrine of the companions being all adala). Amr b. al-Hamiq al-Khuza’i is a khariji who dies the death of jahiliyah (according to them)
or sacrifice this concept that there comes a point in which the believers may find it necessary to forcibly remove the Amir.

What has happened is that some of them so bewildered by these undeniable facts of history than go on to say that the sahabah did not know the books of aqidah (written with a sectarian milieu in mind long after the fact. Or even better yet, that these sahabah did familiar with the Qur’an and hadith on these matters!

All that has been written has shown this is not the case at all.

“If only Muslims were upon the proper manhaj, had proper aqidah and proper knowledge of tawheed none of this would be happening!“

Where have we heard this before?

“Everything will be alright once we get to Tir Asleen.”

Likewise some Muslims will say well, we just need to focus on obedience to Allah (swt) and Tawheed and the proper aqidah.

Look! The very essence of Islam is submission to the will of Allah (swt). Yet, the very fact that the companions who had proper aqidah and proper tawheed and yet had massive fitna is a prove that one can have can be hyper fixated on these things and still not save one from strife. Just like the idea of the Muslims having a Caliph did not stop the expulsion of Muslims from Andalusia.

This does not mean we do not strive to establish rule by the Qur’an and the Sunnah. It does not mean that we do not strive to worship Allah (swt) properly and be upon the proper aqidah. It simply means that human ego and the frailty of men will last until the day of judgement.

The hypocrisy of the Madhkali Salafiyah.

This whole mantra of obey the leader seems very specific to a particular group of leaders they feel approximate their idea of the correct aqidah and or manhaj. It doesn’t seem to apply to Ergodan or Mubarak, or the Muslim brotherhood, or Qatar, or Assad (who certainly deserved rebellion) and a litany of others.

One big elephant in the room. What is actually meant by ‘The Leader’ or ‘The Ruler’

Last I checked the agreed upon leaders of the Muslim Ummah (according to the Sunni and the Ibadi) were Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali. Than after Ali, the Ibadi and Sunni have different narratives. The Shi’a have a totally different narrative altogether, The Blessed Messenger (saw) and his family.

I mean I don’t remember the Muslim ummah holding shura for pretty much any of these guys. Who said they get the wealth of the land? Who said they get to buy football teams and sports cars with the money from the land? Is this from the Qur’an and the Sunnah?

Realistic expectations of Muslim rulers and governments and signs of the hypocrites.

Now I want to say I have seen allot of disdain for Arabs online over the issue of Palestine. First of all, I think love of the Arabs is a good thing because the Blessed Messenger (saw) was from among them. Secondly, you cannot blame Arabs as a whole. Blame their leaders! Lastly, many of you simply know better. Many of you know Arabs as your brothers and sisters who are generous and kind. They have shown you some of the best hospitality and certainly Saudi Arabia is to be commended for the logistics feat of hosting 3 million people for Hajj annually.

However, when it comes to the majority Muslim countries, it has to be said. If it quacks like a duck and moves like a duck it’s a duck! The geopolitical rivalries and alliances do not necessarily benefit the Ummah of Muhammed (saw).

“And Allah will surely make evident those who believe, and He will surely make evident the hypocrites.” (Qur’an 29:11)

“O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.” (Qur’an 66:9)

“They will kill the Muslims but will not disturb the idolaters. If I should live up to their time’ I will kill them as the people of ‘Ad were killed (i.e. I will kill all of them)”

Source: https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3344

Let me list countries with a Muslim majority (if I have missed any or you feel there are those who should be included and are left out please do let me know).

When we look at this list we need to ask ourselves some questions: What are their capabilities (militarily speaking) (economically speaking) and/or other. What are the current challenges that they are facing?

Malaysia
Brunei
Indonesia
Bangladesh
Comoros Islands
Maldives Islands
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Uzbekistan
Turkmenistan
Tajikistan
Azerbaijan- currently in conflict with Armenia/ backed by Iran
Afghanistan-Taliban trying to rebuild the country after nearly 4 decades of war with foreign powers.
Pakistan-currently in political turmoil
Iran-currently backing Armenia against Turkey/Azerbaijan/Israel
Iraq-still reeling from the U.S Invasions.
Turkey-currently a part of NATO, backing Azerbaijan against Armenia/Iran.
Albania
Bosnia Herzegovina
Syria-still reeling after a civil war.
Lebanon-dealing with 1. 5 million refugees from Syria.
Jordan
Kuwait
U.A.E
Saudi Arabia
Oman
Yemen -still reeling after civil war.
Egypt
Somalia-civil war.
Djibouti
Sudan-currently in a civil war.
Libya-currently in a civil war.
Tunisia
Chad -dealing with close to 500,000 refugees that came in from Sudan.
Niger-forming new government after kicking out French colonialist.
Mali -civil unrest.
Burkina Faso-forming new government after kicking out French colonialist.
Algeria-tensions with Morocco over Western Sahara.
Morocco-tensions with Algeria over Western Sahara.
Senegal
Mauritania
Guinea
Sierra Leone
Nigeria

Dagestan, Ingushetia/Chechnya (as part of the Russian Federation) are bogged down in conflict in Ukraine

So we need to be realistic about who can help and how they can help. This is why these protest, and boycotts are very very effective and something that I hope leads to greater things among the wider Muslim community namely economic cooperation and buying Muslim owned products. Insh’Allah. In my next article I will cover this.

I will leave the readers with this. I feel that this doctrine that Madhkali Salafiyyah is problematic and it is a manipulation of the text of the Qur’an and the Sunnah and a re-reading into the history of the early Muslims. It makes a great ideology for despots and tyrants. If anyone has an issue with it. We have our scholars who can debate your scholars on this matter. Insh’Allah it will be of benefit and we will certainly be waiting.

Think about how you as a Muslim. As a Sunni/Shi’i/Ibadi as Salafi/Sufi would feel if you woke up one day and saw the Kab’a absolutely destroyed? Mecca was in ruins? How would you feel knowing it was not from a flood or natural disaster but the enemies of the Muslims destroyed it. Now hold that feeling and read the following:

It was narrated that ‘Abdullah bin ‘Amr said:

“I saw the Messenger of Allah (saw) circumambulating the Ka’bah and saying: ‘How good you are and how good your fragrance; how great you are and how great your sanctity. By the One in Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammed, the sanctity of the believer is greater before Allah than your sanctity, his blood and his wealth, and to think anything but good of him.’”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:3932)

It is said that this hadith is Sahih li ghayrihi (authentic due to external evidence) according to Al-Albani

May Allah (swt) grant victory to our brothers and sisters in Palestine! May Allah (swt) grant this ummah good leaders, bridge builders, those who fear Allah (swt), and love his Messenger (saw) and love the ummah of Islam. Those who are wise and have bold vision. Those who stand firm upon the truth. Amin!

If you would like to learn more about the Madhkali I would suggest the following articles:

Muslims should boycott Starbucks in spite of Palestine (including Madhkalis)
The question Daniel Haqiqatjou should ask the Madkhalis

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July 27, 2023 · 2:09 am

Nabi Muhammed (saw) never predicted that Al-Hussain ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib will die as a martyr.

“Indeed, We have granted you, al-Kawthar. So pray to your Lord and sacrifice. Indeed, your enemy is the one cut off.” (Qur’an 108:1-3)

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These sublime verses (Qur’an 108:1-3) were revealed to console the heart of the Blessed Prophet Muhammed (saw) in the face of repeated antagonism by those who called him, ‘abtar‘, which means ‘the animal whose tail is cut off’.

It means one who has no one to come in succession, the one who has none to inherit.

1. Truly, We have granted you Al-Kawthar.)

2. Therefore, turn in prayer to your Lord and sacrifice.)

3. For he who hates you, he will be cut off.)

Muslim, Abu Dawud, and An-Nasa’i, all recorded from Anas that he said, “While we were with the Messenger of Allah in the Masjid, he dozed off into a slumber. Then he lifted his head smiling. We said, `O Messenger of Allah! What has caused you to laugh?’ He said,

(Truly, a Surah was just revealed to me.) Then he recited…

“Indeed, We have granted you, al-Kawthar. So pray to your Lord and sacrifice. Indeed, your enemy is the one cut off.” (Qur’an 108:1-3)

Source: http://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Al-Kauther/Which-was-revealed-in-Al-Madin—

The Blessed Prophet (saw) had lost his flesh and blood son Ibrahim — May Allah have abundant mercy on him.

“When Ibrahim, the son of the Messenger of Allah (saw), died, the Messenger of Allah (saw) wept. The one who was consoling him, either Abu Bakr or ‘Umar, said to him: ‘You are indeed the best of those who glorify Allah with what is due to him.’ The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: ‘The eye weeps and the heart grieves, but we do not say anything that angers the Lord. Were it not that death is something that inevitably comes to all, and that the latter will surely join the former, then we would have been more than we are, verily we grieve for you.’”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1589)

We can see that the Blessed Messenger (saw) was overcome with grief from the death of his flesh and blood son. It was a cause of derision from his enemies. Yet, Allah (swt) revealed an entire chapter of the Qur’an on account of this.

“And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good news to the patient,

Who, when disaster strikes them, say, “Indeed we belong to Allah, and indeed to Him, we will return.“ (Qur’an 2:155-156)

So this is the attitude of the believers and who best to lead by example than the Blessed Messenger (saw). He expressed grief over the loss of his flesh and blood son. Allah (swt) revealed an entire chapter of the Qur’an which, He did not do for the death of anyone else in the Blessed Prophet’s family.

Furthermore…

Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu`ba:

“On the day of Ibrahim’s death, the sun eclipsed, and the people said that the eclipse was due to the death of Ibrahim (the son of the Prophet). Allah’s Messenger (saw) said, “The sun and the moon are two signs among the signs of Allah. They do not eclipse because of someone’s death or life. So when you see them, invoke Allah and pray till the eclipse is clear.”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:1060)

Now, if there was an occasion for the Muslims of this Ummah to mourn annually, it would certainly have been for the death of the Blessed Prophet’s son.

There is not a single hadith of the Blessed Prophet Muhammed (saw) proclaiming Hussain will be a martyr or that the Prophet (saw) cried because he was a martyr. Not one!

People commemorate the deaths of others because, in their hearts, it is politics and the stirring of emotions. Yet, the Blessed Prophet Muhammed (saw) son dies and our Noble Prophet (saw)cried and the whole Muslim Ummah has no day of grieving?

Now someone may retort, ‘There are millions of Hadiths. Have you read them all?’ It would be hubris to say that we have read them all.

However, what we can say is this. We can say that those who are more studied than us, more learned than us, more familiar with the traditions, and those who make political capital out of tragedy would have such hadith and utilize them.

The fact that they did not and still have not until this very day makes our case airtight.

Hadith from the Shi’a sources: (Update 8/31/2020) This is a typo. It is meant to say: Hadith that Shi’a relies on.

“Ummul Fadhl the daughter of al-Harith said that she entered on the Messenger of Allah (S) and she said: “Oh! Messenger of Allah, I had a strange dream last night. He said: And what is it? She said: It was difficult. He said: And what is it? She said: I saw, as if, a piece of your body was severed and was put in my lap! The Messenger of Allah (S) said: You saw well – Fatima will give birth, God willing, a boy so he will be in your lap. Then Fatima gave birth to al-Hussain (AS) and he was in my lap – just as the Messenger of Allah (S) said. So I entered one day on the Messenger of Allah (S) and put him in his lap, but I noticed that the eyes of the Messenger of Allah (S) were pouring tears! So I said: Oh! Prophet of Allah, my parents are your ransom, what is with you? He said: Gabriel (AS) came to me and informed me that my nation (ummah) will kill this son of mine.”

Source: (al-Mustadrak al-Sahih, al-Hafidh al-Hakim al-Nisapouri, v. 3, p. 176)

“Umm Salamah has said: “al-Hussain entered on the Prophet (S), while I was sitting at the door, so I saw in the hand of the Prophet (S) something he turned over while (Hussain) sleeping on his stomach. I said: Oh Messenger of Allah, I looked and saw you turning something over in your hand when the kid was sleeping on your stomach and your tears were pouring? He said: Gabriel came to me with the sand upon which he (Hussain) will be killed. And he informed me that my nation (umma) will kill him.”

Source: (al-Musannaf, al-Hafidh Abu Bakr bin abi Shaibah, v. 12.)

Prima Qur’an Comments:

Both of these hadiths are from sources that the Shi’i rely upon. Yet notice the following:

1 There is absolutely no mention that Hussain would die as a martyr. No mention at all.

2 That the Blessed Messenger (saw) cried upon information that a family member died would be a very human thing to do.

3 That the Blessed Messenger (saw) said that ‘my nation will kill him’.

The Blessed Messenger (saw) could have said, ‘renegades will kill him’. ‘He will be killed by unbelievers’ etc…..and He (saw) did not say that at all.

This is crucial when we consider the following:

Narrated `Aisha:

“Usama approached the Prophet (saw) on behalf of a woman (who had committed theft). The Prophet (saw) said, “The people before you were destroyed because they used to inflict legal punishments on the poor and forgive the rich. By Him in Whose Hand my soul is! If Fatima (the daughter of the Prophet) did that (i.e. stole), I would cut off her hand.”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6787)

So even if the mother of Hussain, the wife of Ali, stole something, the law would apply to her. This is important because there is no unequivocal statement from the Blessed Messenger (saw) stating that Hussain would die as a martyr.

Now imagine that noble Fatima (ra) did steal something. You don’t think it would grieve the Blessed Messenger (saw)?

Wouldn’t you as a parent be grieved if your child or grandchild was injured or punished? Even if they did something right or wrong?

How do we know that the Blessed Messenger (saw) wasn’t crying over the fact that Hussain brought women and children into a conflict where he was advised by senior companions not to do so?

What does it say about the character of Hussain if what we are told is true? That he ‘knowingly‘ knew that he would be ‘sacrificed?’ That he would ‘knowingly‘ sacrifice the honour of his noble sister Zaynab (ra) as well?

“He (saw) said: Gabriel came to me with the sand.”

If Gabriel could bring the sand, he could have brought an item of Hussain clothing. He could have brought anything. Yet, he brought the sand. The sand where many children and women were unnecessarily killed. Ill-advised indeed.

Hadith from the Sunni sources:

“Narrated Wakee’, narrated Abdullah bin Sa’eed, from his father from Aisha or Umm Salamah [Wakee’ said this doubt came from Abdullah bin Sa’eed] that the Prophet (saw) said to one of them [either Aisha or Umm Salamah], “An angel entered the house on me, he never entered on me before, and he said to me, ‘this son of yours, al-Hussain, will be killed, and if you wish I can show you the soil from the earth where he will be killed’. Then he took out some red soil”.

Source:[Recorded in Musnad al-Imam Ahmad, vol. 6 p. 294]

“Narrated Muhammed bin Udaid, narrated Shurahbil bin Mudrik, from Abdullah bin Nujayy, from his father, that he traveled with Ali, and he used to carry his purifying water. When they were next to Nainawa on his way to Siffin, Ali called, “Be patient Oh Abu Abdillah (the kunya of his son al-Hussain), be patient Oh Abu Abdillah by the banks of the Euphrates. I [Nujayy] said, “what is this?”. He [Ali] said, “I entered upon the Prophet (saw) one day while his eyes were shedding tears. I said, ‘what is it with yours eyes shedding tears?’. He said, ‘Rather, Jibreel was here earlier and he told me that al-Hussain will be killed by the bank of the Euphrates and he [Jibreel] said ‘do you want me to provide you a sample from his soil [where he will be killed] so you can smell it?’ and I said ‘yes’. So he extended his hand and he took a grip from the soil and gave it to me so I couldn’t help my eyes to fill with tears’”

Source: [Recorded by Ahmad, vol. 1, p. 85.]

Prima Qur’an Comments:

What is interesting and indeed telling, is that the Shi’i -from what we observe love to jump on the chance to show that there are problems with Sunni narrations on this or that. They are quite the hadith critiques. However, when it comes to anything from Sunni sources that will make their claims legitimate, all the critical thinking skills seem to go right out the window.

The first hadith has an interesting statement: “An angel entered the house on me, he never entered on me before, ” An unknown angel apparently comes to give the information.


The other odd contradictory piece of information is this.

That he traveled with Ali,

They were next to Nainawa on his way to Siffin,

Entered the house on me

So did the angel give this information when they were traveling on the way to Siffin or while the Blessed Messenger(saw) was in his house? It is quite redundant to bring the same information. Three of the hadith feel it is important to mention the sand, and one of them leaves it out completely.

Who entered in on the Blessed Messenger (saw)?

Ummul Fadhl?

Ali Ibn Abu Talib?

Umm Salamah?

Aisha?

We can reconcile this because Aisha and Umm Salamah are both wives of the Blessed Messenger (saw). Ummul Fadhl is a paternal Aunt. Ali Ibn Abu Talib, of course, is a cousin and son-in-law. So it is reasonable that they all entered in on different occasions. However, it is not reasonable to think these were separate locations and days. So, one can search the history and see if there are records of the four of them traveling together at that location. Which can’t be true as one of the narrations has it that the unidentified angel came to the Blessed Messenger (saw) while he was at home.

One thing is abundantly clear from the two Hadith from Sunni sources. There is absolutely no mention that Hussain would die as a martyr. No mention at all.

The conclusion?

People commemorate the deaths of others because, in their hearts, it is politics and the stirring of emotions. Yet, the Blessed Prophet Muhammed (saw) son dies and our Noble Prophet (saw) cried, and the whole Muslim Ummah has no day of grieving?

The text of the hadith themselves raise questions and none of them unequivocally say that Hussain died as a martyr. There was one individual who tried to interact with this article some time ago on Facebook. That individual was shutdown. He did not interact with the material at all. Simply used emotionalism.

May Allah Guide the Ummah.

May Allah Forgive the Ummah.

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July 26, 2023 · 2:33 pm

Is Distance Necessary to See Allah (swt)? Response to Dr. Hamza Bakri

“The Originator of the heavens and the earth; He made mates for you from among yourselves, and mates of the cattle too, multiplying you thereby; there is nothing like unto Him; and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.” (Qur’an 42:11)

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Our noble teacher Shaykh Hafidh Al Sawafi replies to the respected Dr. Hamza Bakr on the reasoning he posits for distance and seeing Allah in the afterlife.


May Allah (swt) bless Shaykh Hafidh @Alsawafiy for responding to this.

What follows is the English translation of the response:

His argument:
“If God sees us without distance, then we too see Him without distance.”
This argument is invalid and baseless because it relies on a false analogy with a critical difference: The creation is not like the Creator. The vision of the Creator is not like the vision of the creation. Those who affirm Allah’s transcendence (by denying that a creation can see Him) also do so because human vision is unbefitting of His majesty.

What is established by both textual and rational evidence is that:
The Creator is the First, the Self-Sufficient—He existed before all things, and no change affects Him. Based on this, the correct stance is to affirm His transcendence above resembling His creation. A human cannot conceptualize the Creator or ascribe to Him physical, sensory estimations.

For this reason, the Mu’tazila firmly held that Allah’s attributes are His essence itself (i.e., not distinct entities).

Furthermore, those who claim that a creation can see its Lord without distance must:

  1. Reject all the narrations they rely on to prove this, as those texts describe seeing Allah with barriers and direction (which implies spatiality).
  2. Consistently affirm Allah’s transcendence above the very “distance” they deny—since denying spatiality for Allah necessitates denying physical vision of Him.

“If it is permissible for a creation to share with Allah in one of His exclusive attributes (like vision), then it would likewise be permissible for it to share in all His exclusive attributes. This would logically necessitate that the creation could also become divine—for if it can ‘see as Allah sees,’ it could also ‘know as Allah knows,’ ‘create as Allah creates,’ ‘give life as Allah gives life,’ and so on for all divine attributes.”

May Allah (swt) suffice us!

May Allah (swt) safe guard our tongues from being mean and our hearts from having ill opinions of fellow Muslims. It is just disappointing what passes for “sound” creed in this ummah.

You may be interested in reading the following:

Those who do good will have the finest reward and more.
Some faces that day will be radiant. Looking at their Lord. Will we see Allah?
The Proper Understanding of Musa (as) Request of Seeing Allah.
Shaykh Juma commentary on Seeing the Lord as you see the moon
On Seeing Allah
Imam ash-Shafi’i Seeing Allah in The Hereafter
Salafis debate Ibadis on the issue of seeing Allah in the hereafter.
Seeing Allah: What Every Christian Should Ask Every Salafi. The Form/Shape of Allah?
Madhkali Salafi Faris Al Hammadi The 60 cubit tall Allah?
Irrefutable Proof that the Salafi God is one that can take human form.
Dr. Muhammed Salah teacher of the Salafi Sect Lies about Moses Seeing Allah.
Salafi preacher: We will see Allah’s face in paradise!
Salafi Shaykh Muqbil Al Wadi’i Hadith in Sahih Muslim on Seeing Allah is actually weak!

May Allah Guide the Ummah.

May Allah Forgive the Ummah.

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July 18, 2023 · 6:00 pm

The claim that Allah (swt) was riding a whale made of light before creation

“There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.” (Qur’an 42:11)

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The super bizarre claim that Allah (swt) was riding a whale made of light before the Creation. These people liken the Creator to Aquaman.

This is in Ibtaal At-Tawilaat Li Akhbaar As-Sifaat: From Al Qadi Abu Ya’la

It is said about this book and the author:

https://www.sifatusafwa.com/en/salaf-books-on-sunnah/ibtaal-at-tawilaat-li-akhbaar-as-sifaat-al-qadi-abu-ya-la-458h.html

“This is the book of Shayk of Hanabila of his time, Al-Qadi Abi Ya’la, who was very opposed to Jahmiyya and Ashar’i. This book is intended as a rebuttal of the wrong interpretation and distorings about the names and attributes of Allah. However, the author has several weak or invented hadith, making it a controversial book from the people of knowledge.”

“But, Alhamdulillah we present this heritage of one of the Imams of the Salaf in a checked version, authenticated, and annotated. This allows the reader to distinguish the authenticate & the weak in the hadiths cited. And also to have the authentic position (words of imams of the Sunnah in support) on the weak chapters contained in this book.”

This narration attempts to answer the following question:

“Where is Allah is before creating sky and earth? It is answered by stating that He (Allah Most High) was riding on a whale that was made out of light... and the hadith continues and he says about it: “Even this is a strange hadith it finds support with other hadith!”

Christians must feel some form of poetic justice or vindication. All those years where Shaykh Ahmed Deedat was turned loose upon Christendom and jeering at anthropomorphic descriptions of God in the Bible and now the chickens have come home to roost.

May Allah (swt) forgive us. May Allah (swt) guide us.

You may also be interested in reading:

https://primaquran.com/2022/10/04/ahmed-deedat-roasting-athari-aqeedah/

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July 16, 2023 · 8:07 pm

Is Dr. Ali Ataie of Zaytuna a Flat-Earther?

“Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, there are indeed signs for men of understanding.” (Qur’an 3:190)

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There has been circulating around social media a recent talk done by Dr. Ali Ataie of Zaytuna institute. It looks as if he was defending the concept that the earth is circular and flat rather than circular and spherical.

Note: This article has been updated as of 20/7/2023 in light of new developments. Please see the end of this article.

This seems to have spread from the venue of a YouTube channel for MCC East Bay and then quickly deleted.

This is the video that was deleted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqzD1ZkAJn8

Deleting the video was a bad move to begin with. Why?

Because it looks as if something was being covered up and, quite naturally, it got thinking people curious. The title of the video itself could go either way. Meaning Dr. Ataie could be discussing competing views while sharing his own. Or, Dr. Ataie could be sharing competing views while debunking another view.

The video title says: “Views on the Shape of the Earth: Flat Earth & Geocentrism| Dr. Ali Ataie“

Interestingly, the pro-Zionist, MEMRI channel picked up on this with lightning speed! MEMRI was co-founded by former Israeli military intelligence officer Yigal Carmon and Israeli-American political scientist Meyrav Wurmser.

You can see the video clip above:

Now some who do not think Dr. Ali Ataie was promoting flat earth may ask “Where is the time stamp where he says the Earth is flat?” In fact, Dr. Abdullah bin Hamid Ali posted this on his Twitter feed:

Three things to note from this:

  1. “I was just raising some common arguments that flat earthers raise.” Which is not a denial that he is a flat-earther.
  2. “Notice I never said that I believed in the flat earth.” But he never said he didn’t either.
  3. “My position is always Allah Alim, it’s not essential to me either way.”

Also, the talk went very quickly into free-mason territory. Everyone from Sir Isaac Newton being a knighted Freemason occultist, to around 94% of astronauts being Freemasons to Neil deGrasse Tyson.

These are the type of things you would want to seed in the minds of the population if you wanted to say there was a massive effort to distort reality.

Now that being said, we want to say what our position is. We personally will stop using the terminology “conspiracy theory”. We believe such terminology is created by those who do not want us to think. Yes, indeed there are conspiracies. Not all conspiracies are nefarious. People could conspire to throw a colleague a surprise party, for example.

Yet, we do not believe in labeling things as conspiracy as a pejorative to shut down a particular view point.

Every theory is a theory that merits rigorous principles of logic, investigation, reflection and experimentation where possible.

In fact, we find it strange that those people who consider themselves skeptics or open-minded do not welcome the exploration of all theories.

So, for us it is all on the table.

Did the moon landing happen? Was JFK an inside job? Is COVID-19 a massive data collection ploy and a means to boost the revenue of big pharma?

Just look at these sensational headlines:

https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/rfk-jr-says-covid-was-ethnically-targeted-to-spare-jews/

Maybe it is plausible that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a plant that said what he said to make anyone who challenged the official narrative of covid-19 look like anti-Jewish quack.

Who knows anymore!

There is something that strikes a cord with what Dr. Ali Ataie said, though that merits pensive reflection:

“If we are on a flat surface and all the stars and planets go around us, then this is clearly designed for us. Someone put us on a pedestal. But by insisting that we are all apes, living on some random planet, going around the sun, in the corner of some random galaxy among billions of others, then we are easier to control by people in power. They can convince us that our lives are all about dunya, and to obey them, not God” — Dr. Ataie

Now let us suspend judgement for half a second. If, for the sake of argument, that model of the flat Earth was/is true, it would be such, in your face, evidence that we really are a special creation that one would have to have veils upon veils of darkness upon them to deny Allah.

May Allah (swt) guide us to what is beloved to Allah (swt).

We have two other related articles on the subject you, the reader may be interested in:

“The Qur’an teaches that the Earth is flat” -Sam Gerrans (Qur’an Only Advocate)
The Qur’an and the Setting of the Sun in a Murky Spring

This article has been updated as of 20/7/2023 in light of new developments.

Dr. Ali Ataie has unequivocally stated that he is not a flat earther!

Because this does not help either brother Ataie. People will wonder

“Wallahi, anyone who calls me a flat earther is a liar.” -Dr. Ali Ataie

“I am not a flat earther.” -Dr. Ali Ataie

“But I am not a flat earther.” -Dr. Ali Ataie

Prima Qur’an comments:

Dr. Ataie states:

“The article by memri is an inaccurate hit piece written by a Zionist organization.”

Hence, the reason why the video should not have been deleted by MCC East Bay. Because that video would have provided much needed context, if any. However, we are the ones that pointed out that this organization (MEMRI) is run by Zionists, and we were also amazed at how quickly that organization picked up on some small discussion which was not at a convention or even well advertised. Dr. Ataie is not really all that well known. I do not mean that as a slight. Really makes you wonder who is who in our Muslim community. How did that organization(MEMRI) get that material and publish it ?

That being said, it would help if MCC East Bay did not delete the video. Because, on the one hand, Dr. Ataie is saying:

“The article by memri is an inaccurate hit piece written by a Zionist organization.”

While also stating:

“I made several ill-advised off-the-cuff comments during a random Q &A…”

“It was not wise to make those comments and cause confusion.”

We really, really wish Dr. Ataie wouldn’t have made that statement: “is an inaccurate hit piece.” The rest of his statement is absolutely fine.

However, by making that comment, Muslims are now going to wonder why the original video was deleted and if it would be made public and this has the potential to lend credibility to that cursed organization (Memri). That is if nothing was taken out of context.

Dr. Abdullah Bin Hamid Ali, who meant well by defending his friend, most likely triggered more people by tweeting a flurry of controversial tweets.

Views should be weighed by the evidence and the arguments.

That being said, we do not think that Dr. Abdullah, Dr. Ataie or anyone for that matter should be castigated for having views that others find that go against mainstream scientific convictions.

Naturally, some Muslims chimed in and rightfully mentioned that much of this could have been clarified from the first post.

The problem with this clarification is that it comes down to a situation of damned if you do and damned if you do not. So, because Dr. Ataie brought up the free masons, some flat Earthers who support Dr. Ataie (based upon their presumptions of his own views) are now going to think that Dr. Ataie is caving in to pressure from such groups. They fail to realize that Dr. Ataie was simply sharing their perspective without necessarily endorsing it.

People, it is not easy to be in the public eye.

Our sincere advice to Muslim speakers. Whoever is recording such public events should give full disclosure to the one being recorded and be completely transparent with them on how and where the contents are to be released.

Conclusion: Dr. Ali Ataie has not retracted or recanted anything. To recant or retract would be to state something and then change positions. He never claimed he was a flat earther. He has simply clarified in no uncertain terms. He is not a flat earther.

As regards those Muslims who associate with and support Zionist and Zionist supporters.

May Allah guide you! May Allah (swt) free Palestine and either guide or crush the oppressors! Amin

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July 13, 2023 · 9:25 am

Shaykh Juma commentary on Seeing the Lord as you see the moon

“The faculties of seeing (tudriku) cannot grasp Him, and He grasp all–seeing (yudriku), He is the All-Subtle and All-Aware.” (Qur’an 6:103)

May Allah (swt) bless our teacher, Shaykh Juma Muhammed Rashid Al-Mazrui.

These are notes I have taken from our Aqidah class on the subject: On the visibility of Allah (swt).

In the class we look at the proofs that other schools give to prove the visibility of Allah (swt). We go through each ayat of the Qur’an that is used. We go through the ahadith that are used. We than go through our proofs and evidences to show that Allah (swt) will not be seen in the life to come.

The hadith in question:

Narrated Jarir:

We were sitting with the Prophet (saw) and he looked at the moon on the night of the full-moon and said, “You people will see your Lord as you see this full moon, and you will have no trouble in seeing Him, so if you can avoid missing (through sleep or business, etc.) a prayer before sunrise (Fajr) and a prayer before sunset (`Asr) you must do so.” (See Hadith No. 529, Vol. 1)

Source: https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7434

Shaykh Juma was going to show the weakness in the chain of the transmitters in the sanad as well as problems with the matn. However, in this class there was a change of pace.

Of course we reject the hadith “That we shall see our Lord in the like manner as we see the full moon.”

So Shaykh Juma mentioned that next time (which has already passed and that lesson was recent) that there are many contradictions in the matn and the hadith is not logical and it is not acceptable.

HOWEVER…

For the sake of argument let us agree with those who say it is authentic.
What is our interpretation of this hadith?

In the science and fundamentals -we have a principle -reconciliation between the text are apparently in conflict or contradictory to one another.


A verse that apparently contradicts another verse for example.

What is really intended by this verse. An example:

“Wherever you may be, death will overcome you—even if you were in fortified towers.” When something good befalls them, they say, “This is from Allah,” but when something evil befalls them, they say, “This is from you.” Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Both have been destined by Allah.” So what is the matter with these people? They can hardly comprehend anything!” (Qur’an 4:78)

Then immediately verse 79:

“Whatever good befalls you is from Allah and whatever evil befalls you is from yourself. We have sent you ˹O Prophet˺ as a messenger to ˹all˺ people. And Allah is sufficient as a Witness.” (Qu’ran 4:79)

“Good is from Allah and what ever misfortunes is from yourself.” or the “Good and the misfortunate are both from Allah”

So, apparently this looks like a conflict.

So what is the interpretaton here? Here we apply the principle of reconcilation.

When Allah says everything is from Allah, he determines everything from his limitless, eternal knowledge. The second verse that says only good is from Allah and the bad from ourselves, that we are the real cause of those bad things.

The best thing to use to understand the Qur’an is the Qur’an itself.

“And if not that a disaster should strike them for what their hands put forth [of sins] and they would say, “Our Lord, why did You not send us a messenger so we could have followed Your verses and been among the believers?” (Qur’an 28:47)

“If We give people a taste of mercy, they become prideful ˹because˺ of it. But if they are afflicted with an evil for what their hands have done, they instantly fall into despair.” (Qur’an 30:36)

Something inflicts them because of their own actions and their own sins

Now when we read the same chapter:

“Corruption has spread on land and sea as a result of what people’s hands have done, so that Allah may cause them to taste ˹the consequences of˺ some of their deeds and perhaps they might return ˹to the Right Path˺.” (Qur’an 30:41)

So we have seen how this principle works.

Now to the subject: Is Allah visible? Will Allah be seen in the hereafter or not?

We reject it based upon the matn, but we say for the sake of the argument for those who say it is authentic, what is interpretation. Rueya is the word used.


You see or you will see, rueya , it also means to know or knowledge.

In other words you will have certainty of Allah (swt). That we will know Allah (swt).

Where do we get this interpretation of seeing to mean knowing?

“Have you not seen ˹O Prophet˺ how your Lord dealt with the Army of the Elephant?” (Qur’an 105:1)

So it is logical to ask someone this question if he did not see those people. That is if you interpret and understand optical seeing. This means that Allah (swt) would ask the Prophet (saw) about something that is not logical.

“Have not those who are ungrateful disbelievers seen how Heaven and Earth were once one solid mass which We ripped apart? ” (Qur’an 21:30)

Have not they seen?


“Have you not seen what your Lord did deal with ‘Aad?” (Qur’an 89:6)

So we use this method to understand and reconcile text.

“Did they not see how many generations we destroyed before them.” (Qur’an 36:31)


Did they not see: This means to know. They are aware about something to some degree or another.

“The heart did not lie about what it saw.” (Qur’an 53:11)

(The Prophet’s) heart did not deny what he (Muhammed) saw. His heart did not lie about what he saw. His (the prophet’s) heart/mind did not deny what he saw. His heart didn’t deny what he saw.

The poet says, “I have seen Allah is greater than anything in power and he has most soldiers.”

The Poet saw Allah (swt) ?

Another poet says: “I have seen Allah destroyed the people of aad, thamud and Noah as well.”

So we need to use methodological principles that are also acceptable to the other schools so that they can see the point.

So the hadith about seeing Allah like the moon.

We have to interpret it since the Qur’an is clear.

“The faculties of seeing (tudriku) cannot grasp Him, and He grasp all–seeing (yudriku), He is the All-Subtle and All-Aware.” (Qur’an 6:103)

That no eyes will see Allah (swt), no optical vision.

Next week we will look at the sanads (chains of transmission)

May Allah (swt) guide us to what is beloved to Allah (swt).

For further articles on this subject kindly read the following:

When is Allah / Where is Allah ? Careful of traps
The Proper Understanding of Musa (as) Request of Seeing Allah.
On Seeing Allah
Some faces that day will be radiant. Looking at their Lord. Will we see Allah?
Those who do good will have the finest reward and more.
Imam ash-Shafi’i Seeing Allah in The Hereafter
Is Distance Necessary to See Allah (swt)? Response to Dr. Hamza Bakri
Salafis debate Ibadis on the issue of seeing Allah in the hereafter.
Seeing Allah: What Every Christian Should Ask Every Salafi. The Form/Shape of Allah?
Dr. Muhammed Salah teacher of the Salafi Sect Lies about Moses Seeing Allah.
Madhkali Salafi Faris Al Hammadi The 60 cubit tall Allah?
Salafi preacher: We will see Allah’s face in paradise!
Salafi Shaykh Muqbil Al Wadi’i Hadith in Sahih Muslim on Seeing Allah is actually weak!

May Allah Guide the Ummah.

May Allah Forgive the Ummah.

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July 11, 2023 · 3:52 am

Is Allah every where?

“Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.” (Qur’an 42:11)

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This entry is to educate and enlighten those Muslims who hold the view that Allah (swt) is everywhere.

They may rely upon the following proof text:

“It is He who created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne. He knows what penetrates into the earth and what emerges from it and what descends from the heaven and what ascends therein, and He is with you wherever you are. And Allah, of what you do, is Seeing.” (Qur’an 57:4)

“Have you not considered that Allah knows what is in the heavens and what is on the earth? There is in no private conversation three but that He is the fourth of them, nor are there five but that He is the sixth of them – and no less than that and no more except that He is with them wherever they are. Then He will inform them of what they did, on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah is, of all things, Knowing.” (Qur’an 58:7)

“And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you turn, there is the Face of Allah. Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.” (Qur’an 2:115)

In the Ibadi school, we understand that Allah (swt) has full power and knowledge of all things. We do not believe that Allah (swt) is omnipresent.

A text that seemingly conflicts with the belief that Allah (swt) is everywhere is the following:

“Nay, when the earth has been pounded with a great pounding and your Lord and the angels come row upon row.” (Qur’an 89:21-22)

If Allah (swt) is everywhere it would make little sense to believe that our Allah (swt) would ‘come‘ to a place he already ‘is‘.

“It is He who created for you all that the earth contains: then He turned to the heavens and made them seven skies-and He is the Knower of All Things.” (Qur’an 2:29)

If Allah (swt) is everywhere it would make little sense to believe that Allah (swt) would ‘turn‘ anywhere, for he is already ‘there‘.

“Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.” (Qur’an 42:11)

The verses above demolishes any concept of Allah (swt) resembling the creations. This shows that Allah (swt) exists without a place because whatever exists in a place is by nature composed of particles, body, occupying space. Allah (swt) is clear of occupying space.

This means Allah (swt) does not occupy one place (the throne) or (every place). After all space is a creation and one would need to ask who created spatiality? If it has always co-existed with Allah (swt) it cannot said to be created by our Lord.

The very idea of ‘where‘ is Allah (swt) is inappropriate. Just as the very idea of ‘when‘ is Allah (swt) is inappropriate.

All the above verses that quote Allah (swt) being ‘with you wherever you are’, or Allah (swt) ‘turning’ or Allah (swt) ‘coming’ are all interpreted using the sound principles embedded in the Arabic language in a way that conforms to Qur’an 42:11.

We also have two very important pieces of information. One from Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib and the other from the Blessed Messenger (saw).

The saying “Allah existed eternally without a place, and He is now as He ever was” is related – without chain – from ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib

Sources: (Ibn ‘Ata’ Allah al-Sakandari (d. 709) cites it as one of his Hikam (#34). As cited by ‘Abd al-Qahir al-Baghdadi (d. 429) in his al-Farq Bayn al-Firaq page. 256)

We also have from the Blessed Messenger (saw) who is reported to have said:

“Allah was when there was nothing else than Him, and His Throne was upon the water, and He wrote in the Reminder (al-dhikr) all things, and he created the heavens and the earth.”

Source: (Narrated from ‘Imran ibn Husayn by al-Bukhari, in the Book of the Beginning of Creation: https://sunnah.com/bukhari/59/2 )

Some people especially perennialist may like to argue that Allah (swt) is everywhere because it will end up supporting concepts like pantheism or pan-deism. Everywhere is basically pantheism or pan-deism. Allah (swt) exist as he was before all Creation (time/space).

Some questions for those who believe in the omnipresence of Allah (swt) is to ask them:

Is Allah (swt) fully present or partially present? What proof text would be offered to show ‘fully‘ or ‘partially‘?

Why not fully present? If fully present than why is it wrong to worship idols, Jesus, Iblis, Demons, or anything for that matter? Authubillah min dhalik!

If Allah (swt) is only partially present where is the other part that isn’t there?

The belief of Muslims is that Allah (swt) is not present in all of his Creation nor that Allah (swt) is his creation or that Allah (swt) became the universe.

“All will perish except His face.” (Qur’an 28:88)

If This verse is taken by its apparent meaning, it would indicate that that the Creator would increase or decrease. If the universe or reality ‘expands‘ or ‘retreats‘ it entails that the Creator ‘expands‘ or ‘retreats‘.

The only challenge to Allah as a “being” that I am aware of is Process Theology (or Process Theism) in Christianity where they state: “God is becoming” not being.

The irony is that the one opening for process theology in Islam is the following hadith Qudsi:

“Abu Huraira(ra) reported:

The Messenger of Allah, (saw), said, “Allah Almighty said: The son of Adam abuses me. He curses time and I am time. In my hand are the night and day.”

Source: (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4826)

The irony here is that this one opening also defeats process theology of becoming a reality among Muslims. It defeats the whole idea of ‘becoming‘ if you are omnipresent or time itself. Glory be to Allah!!

“And when Musa came at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said: My Lord! Show me (Yourself), so that I may look upon You. He said: You will not see Me but look at the mountain if it remains firm in its place, then will you see Me; but when his Lord manifested His glory to the mountain He made it crumble and Musa fell down in a swoon; then when he recovered, he said: Glory be to You, I turn to Thee, and I am the first of the believers.” (Qur’an 7:143)

Know that the creation cannot contain the Creator nor is the Creator present in the Creation.

Last point of consideration. When teaching young children one can tell them that ‘Allah is everywhere’. This is based on the following verses:

He is with you wherever you are. And Allah, of what you do, is Seeing.” (Qur’an 57:4)

“When My servants ask you about Me: I am truly near. I respond to one’s prayer when they call upon Me. So let them respond to Me and believe in Me, perhaps they will be guided.” (Qur’an 2:186) 


This is to instill in them a sense of Allah being near and close to them as well as Allah being with them.

As one gets older and their thinking develops the correct position should be introduced.

Allah knows best.

May Allah (swt) guide us to what is beloved to Allah (swt).

For those who are interested you may wish to read the following:

Where is Allah? Allah is in London England!
When is Allah / Where is Allah ? Careful of traps
The consistent view would be that Allah is in a set of locations.
“Those who ask ‘where’ but not ‘when’ in regard to their Lord.”
Hadith of the Slave Girl. Where is Allah?

May Allah Guide the Ummah.

May Allah Forgive the Ummah.

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July 11, 2023 · 3:33 am

When is Allah / Where is Allah ? Careful of traps

“And he is with you wherever you are.” (Qur’an 57:4)

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*There is no place for him* Just as there is *No when for him*

Be careful of the tricky questions the slicksters use. These people are the real Ahl Kalam, though they deny it for themselves. When the text clear text no longer support them they run to their kalam arguments.

The choice between two false proposition. They may ask you:

“Is Allah inside the creation or outside the creation?”

In reality the one who is asking this question believes that Allah (swt) is inside his creation. Because he believes that Allah (swt) occupies place.

This is a graphical representation of the thought process behind this trap.

And we know that there is nothing like unto Allah (swt).

They want you to say “Outside of the Creation” so that you posit for Allah (swt) a place.

Inside/Outside/Up/Down/Left/Right all relate to spatial location.

The response to that question is: Allah exist without a place.

Realizing you didn’t take the bait they will try and follow up with a second tricky question they will ask you is as follows:

When Allah (swt) created the creation did he create the creation inside himself or outside of himself?

Answer them by saying: “Mash’Allah! What an excellent question! When Allah (swt) created space and location where/when was Allah (swt)?”

That will give them their answer.

At this point your objective is to bring the Salafi/Athari away from their kalam and back to the revelation.

“Allah is Creator of all things, and He is Guardian over all things.” (Qur’an 39:62)

Like if you ask me can I comprehend the idea of my Creator w/o spatiality?

I can

Do I have a visual or a model?

I do not.

What I DO KNOW is that to say Allah co exist with something that he did not create is problematic.

Ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah (saw) said, “Reflect deeply upon the creation, but do not reflect upon the essence of the Creator. Verily, His essence cannot be known other than to believe in it.”

Source: (Musnad al-Rabī’ 742 عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ تَفَكَّرُوا فِي الْخَلْقِ وَلا تَتَفَكَّرُوا فِي الْخَالِقِ فَإِنَّهُ لا يُدْرَكُ إِلا بِتَصْدِيقِهِ 742 مسند الربيع بن حبيب 2976 المحدث الألباني خلاصة حكم المحدث حسن في صحيح الجامع)

* *وجود الله لا افتتاح له* *كما أن بقاءه لا انتهاء له* *كما أن وجوده لا مكان له* *فكما أنه سبحانه كان ولا إبتداء له وهو باقٍ ولا إنتهاء له كذلك هو موجود ولا مكان له* *فمن جادلك وحاجك في المكان، وقال لك : كيف لي أن أتصور موجودا لا مكان له، وكيف لي أصدق بموجود لا مكان له* *قل له : كما صدقت بموجود لا ابتداء له* *كيف تعقلت وتصورت وصدقت بموجود لا افتتاح لوجوده، بأي عقل صدقت، موجود ليس لوجوده نقطة بداية* *صدقت بذلك لأنه المقام اللائق بهذا الرب الذي ليس كمثله شيء* *فقط، هذا الذي دعاك للتسليم بأنه موجود بلا إبتداء ، لا عادتك التي اعتدتها ، أنت لم تعتد لوجود لا إفتتاح له* *لكن لما كان الكلام متعلقا برب ليس كمثله شيء، صدقت وأذعنت وسلمت وأمنت أن هذا الرب لا افتتاح لوجوده، ولا نهاية لبقائه* *فكذلك قل في مكانه لا مكان له؛ لأنه الرب الذي تعالى عن ظروف الازمنة وكذلك يتعالى عن ظروف الامكنة* *المتعالي عن ظروف الازمنة متعالي عن ظروف الأمكنة*

Some may also believe that Allah (swt) is omni present. Meaning that Allah (swt) is located every where (omni) all present. This is also an error.

May Allah (swt) guide us to what is beloved to Allah (swt). May Allah (swt) protect this Ummah from those who believe that Allah (swt) is inside of his creation and than provide the caveat: “In a way that befits him.”

You might be interested to read the following:

Hadith of the Slave Girl. Where is Allah?
Where is Allah? Allah is in London England!
Is Allah every where?
The consistent view would be that Allah is in a set of locations.
“Those who ask ‘where’ but not ‘when’ in regard to their Lord.”

May Allah Guide the Ummah.

May Allah Forgive the Ummah.

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