Ibn Abbas and Tahrif of the Qur’an?


Indeed! It is we who reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian.” (Qur’an 15:9)


I believe about two months back a brother had sent me an article to look at. I believe the original article is found here:




I will leave the statements of this person in the black text. My response will be in

blue text. So let us begin.


The person in the above article says the following:


Those of you who are regular readers of my articles will be familiar with the name of Sahabi Abdullah Ibn Abbas (b.619-d.687). He has been previously cited on TheIslamissue for his cosmological views of the earth being spread on the back of a giant whale, citing chapter 68 verse 1 of the Quran as evidence, as well as his belief that the sun has literal setting and rising places on earth in a hint to chapter 18:86-90 of the Quran.”

His statements are regular citations by me and other individuals in the area of Islamic criticism for a few reasons, but the main one being the prayers that Muhammad made for Ibn Abbas regarding Quranic knowledge. For instance, in Ibn Majah 166 Muhammad said: “O Allah, teach him wisdom and the (correct) interpretation of the Book ”. In Bukhari 75 he said:  “O Allah! Bestow on him the knowledge of the Book (Qur’an).”

These statements of Muhammad hold such immense weight Islamicly speaking because, if the opinions and statements of Ibn Abbas are wrong, then it demonstrates that Allah did not answer Muhammads prayer. If they are correct then his words are Islamic fact.”

With that in mind, I would to present authentic narrations traced to Ibn Abbas which explicitly state that the current Uthmanic Quran contains errors in the form of mistakes committed by scribes, as well as deletions of entire sections of verses.”

My response: So this person is making two statements at the outset.

  1. That Allah (swt) answered the Prophet’s prayer.
  2. If Allah (swt) answered the Prophet’s prayer than what Ibn Abbas says is Islamic fact.


Let’s deal with the first point.

The idea that Allah (swt) always grants the request of the Blessed Messenger (saw) is refuted by Ibn Abbas (r.a) himself!

In fact It is quite lazy on behalf of the author to be unaware of this. In Tanwir al-Miqbas min Tafsir of Ibn Abbas under Qur’an 28:56 we find:

(Lo! You) O Muhammed (guide not) know not (whom you love) whom you love to accept faith (Abu Talib) but Allah guides) He gives success and leads (whom he will) to His religion Abu Bakr, ‘Umar and their fellow believers (And He is best aware of those who walk aright) to His religion.”


So it is possible that Allah (swt) didn’t grant the request of the Blessed Messenger (saw) concerning Ibn Abbas (r.a).


Let’s deal with the second point.

You will find that the author of this piece loves to make a big deal out of brackets. Well is it not interesting that he happens to make a point using a bracketed word not in the original text?

Look what the author said above:

O Allah, teach him wisdom and the (correct) interpretation of the Book.” If you leave out the bracketed word you have: “O Allah, teach him wisdom and the interpretation of the Book.” Nothing about being infallible.

Point of fact there is no group among the Muslims today that takes the Tafsir of Ibn Abbas (r.a) as the final say on any matter. We don’t even have the original tafsir of Ibn Abbas (r.a)! A convenient point that the author of the article left out. In fact the authorship of Tanwir al-Miqbas is disputed.


For the benefit of my Muslim sisters and brothers I would encourage you to read the first 10 pages (a very quick read) here: https://www.altafsir.com/Books/IbnAbbas.pdf


The author continues:


Evidence 1: Quran 26:214 has a deleted portion


In todays Uthmanic Quran, chapter 26 verse 214 reads as follows:


And warn thy tribe of near kindred,

Quran 26:214


However Ibn Abbas completely disagreed and said that the words “and thy group of selected people among them” is meant to be a part of the verse. This statement can be found in the hadith collections of Bukhari and Muslim:


Sahih-Bukhari 4971:

Narrated Ibn Abbas:  When the Verse:–’And warn your tribe of near-kindred, and thy group of selected people among them’ was revealed Allah’s Apostle went out, and when he had ascended As-Safa mountain, he shouted, “O Sabahah!” The people said, “Who is that?” “Then they gathered around him, whereupon he said, “Do you see? If I inform you that cavalrymen are proceeding up the side of this mountain, will you believe me?” They said, “We have never heard you telling a lie.” Then he said, “I am a plain warner to you of a coming severe punishment.” Abu Lahab said, “May you perish! You gathered us only for this reason? ” Then Abu Lahab went away. So the “Surat:–ul– Lahab” ‘Perish the hands of Abu Lahab!’ (111.1) was revealed.

Bukhari 4971


Sahih-Muslim 208a:


It is reported on the authority of Ibn ‘Abbas that when this verse was revealed: “And warn thy tribe of near kindred and thy group of selected people among them” the Messenger of Allah set off till he climbed Safa’ and called loudly: Be on your guard! They said: Who is it calling aloud? They said: Muhammad. They gathered round him, and he said: O sons of so and so, O sons of so and so, O sons of ‘Abd Manaf, O sons of ‘Abd al-Muttalib, and they gathered around him. He (the Apostle) said: If I were to inform you that there were horsemen emerging out of the foot of this mountain, would you believe me? They said: We have not experienced any lie from you. He said: Well, I am a warner to you before a severe torment. He (the narrator) said that Abu Lahab then said: Destruction to you! Is it for this you have gathered us? He (the Holy Prophet) then stood up, and this verse was revealed:” Perish the hands of Abu Lahab, and he indeed perished” (cxi. 1). A’mash recited this to the end of the Sura.

Muslim 208a


An interesting thing to note, is that the official translations for these narrations used by websites like QuranX completely distort the words of Ibn Abbas. The Bukhari translation simply doesn’t translate “and they group of selected people among them” into English. The Sahih-Muslim translation does, however those words are put into brackets to make the reader think it is not part of the original. The Arabic in both is also obfuscated as they both include brackets around the Uthmanic verse while not bracketing the Ibn Abbas addition.


My comments:

“And warn thy tribe of near kindred.”

“and thy group of selected people among them.” 

If we can accept that the Qur’an is an eclectic text, not in the sense of deriving information from various sources, but deriving information from various transmissions of the Qur’an than we do not have a problem here.



Evidence 2: Deletion has taken place in 18:79-80


In the Uthmanic Quran we read today, verses 18:79-80 read as follows:


As for the ship, it belonged to poor people working on the river, and I wished to mar it, for there was a king behind them who is taking every ship by force. And as for the lad, his parents were believers and we feared lest he should oppress them by rebellion and disbelief.

Qur’an 18:79-80


Ibn Abbas however believed that the true Quran said the king took the “serviceable” boats by force and, referring to the boy, “he was a disbeliever”. This can be found in Sahih-Bukhari 4727:


Narrated Sa`id bin Jubair: I said to Ibn `Abbas, “Nauf-al-Bakali ” claims that Moses of Bani Israel was not Moses, the companion of Al-Khadir.” Ibn `Abbas said, “Allah’s enemy tells a lie! Ubai bin Ka`b narrated to us that Allah’s Messenger () said, ‘Moses got up to deliver a sermon before Bani Israel and he was asked, ‘Who is the most learned person among the people?’ Moses replied, ‘I (am the most learned).’ Allah then admonished Moses for he did not ascribe all knowledge to Allah only (Then) came the Divine Inspiration:– ‘Yes, one of Our slaves at the junction of the two seas is more learned than you.’ Moses said, ‘O my Lord ! How can meet him?’ Allah said, ‘Take a fish in a basket and wherever the fish is lost, follow it (you will find him at that place). So Moses set out along with his attendant Yusha` bin Noon, and they carried with them a fish till they reached a rock and rested there. Moses put his head down and slept. (Sufyan, a sub-narrator said that somebody other than `Amr said) ‘At the rock there was a water spring called ‘Al-Hayat’ and none came in touch with its water but became alive. So some of the water of that spring fell over that fish, so it moved and slipped out of the basket and entered the sea. When Moses woke up, he asked his attendant, ‘Bring our early meal’ (18.62). The narrator added: Moses did not suffer from fatigue except after he had passed the place he had been ordered to observe. His attendant Yusha` bin Noon said to him, ‘Do you remember (what happened) when we betook ourselves to the rock? I did indeed forget (about) the fish…’ (18.63) The narrator added: So they came back, retracing their steps and then they found in the sea, the way of the fish looking like a tunnel. So there was an astonishing event for his attendant, and there was tunnel for the fish. When they reached the rock, they found a man covered with a garment. Moses greeted him. The man said astonishingly, ‘Is there any such greeting in your land?’ Moses said, ‘I am Moses.’ The man said, ‘Moses of Bani Israel?’ Moses said, ‘Yes,’ and added, ‘may I follow you so that you teach me something of the Knowledge which you have been taught?’ (18.66). Al-Khadir said to him, ‘O Moses! You have something of Allah’s knowledge which Allah has taught you and which I do not know; and I have something of Allah’s knowledge which Allah has taught me and which you do not know.’ Moses said, ‘But I will follow you.’ Al-Khadir said, ‘Then if you follow me, ask me no question about anything until I myself speak to you concerning it.’ (18.70). After that both of them proceeded along the seashore. There passed by them a boat whose crew recognized Al-Khadir and received them on board free of charge. So they both got on board. A sparrow came and sat on the edge of the boat and dipped its beak unto the sea. Al-Khadir said to Moses. ‘My knowledge and your knowledge and all the creation’s knowledge compared to Allah’s knowledge is not more than the water taken by this sparrow’s beak.’ Then Moses was startled by Al-Khadir’s action of taking an adze and scuttling the boat with it. Moses said to him, ‘These people gave us a free lift, but you intentionally scuttled their boat so as to drown them. Surely you have…’ (18.71) Then they both proceeded and found a boy playing with other boys. Al-Khadir took hold of him by the head and cut it off. Moses said to him, ‘Have you killed an innocent soul who has killed nobody? Surely you have done an illegal thing! ‘ (18.74) He said, “Didn’t I tell you that you will not be able to have patient with me up to..but they refused to entertain them as their guests. There they found a wall therein at the point of collapsing.’ (18.75-77) Al-Khadir moved his hand thus and set it upright (repaired it). Moses said to him, ‘When we entered this town, they neither gave us hospitality nor fed us; if you had wished, you could have taken wages for it,’ Al- Khadir said, ‘This is the parting between you and me I will tell you the interpretation of (those things) about which you were unable to hold patience.’…(18.78) Allah’s Messenger () said, ‘We wished that Moses could have been more patient so that He (Allah) could have described to us more about their story.’ Ibn `Abbas used to recite:– ‘And in front (ahead) of them there was a king who used to seize every serviceable boat by force. (18.79)…and as for the boy he was a disbeliever.”
Bukhari 4727


This hadith can also be found in Tirmhidi 3149 and was classed Sahih by Darussalam and Hasan-Sahih by Tirmhidi. Note that the English translation of the Sahih-Bukhari hadith distort the words of Ibn Abbas by adding brackets around the world “serviceable”.


My comments: You will not fail to note that in the hadith that is quoted the following:

“Sufyan a sub narrator said.”

“The narrated added”

“The narrated added”

So we don’t even know if these are the words of Ibn Abbas as the hadith has words that are indicative of sickness.

Furthermore let’s look at the words of contention: 

serviceable boats would be an obvious addition to explain that the boats taken were serviceable as a king wouldn’t take not serviceable boats.

he was a disbeliever” Well, this actually has been explained by the Qur’an itself: 

and we feared lest he should oppress them by rebellion and disbelief.” (Qur’an 18:80)


Evidence 3: Quran 24:27 contains a “mistake”


The current Uthmanic Quran for chapter 24 verse 27 reads as follows:


O you who believe! Do not enter houses other than your own houses until you ascertain welcome and saluted their inmates; this is better for you, that you may be mindful.” Quran 24;27


Ibn Abbas however disagreed. He is recorded as saying there is a mistake committed by the scribe who wrote the verse down. This is recorded in multiple places such as Al-Mustadrak 3496 and tafsir Tabari.


Al-Mustadrak 3496:

Narrated Mujahid: Ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them both) used to say about the statement of Allah ‘{do not enter houses other than your own houses until you ascertain welcome}’ It is a mistake by the scribe’ (actually its) ‘seek permission’’

Mustadrak 3496
Hadith grade:

Sahih according to Al-Hakim and Dhahabi


Tafsir Tabari, Volume 18 page 146:


Ibn Bashar <– Muhammad bin Jaffar <– Shu’aba <– Abi Bashir <– Sayd bin Jubayr <– Ibn Abbas about this verse ‘{O you who believe! Do not enter houses other than your own houses until you ascertain welcome and saluted their inmates}’ . He said: ‘It is a mistake by the scribe.‘{until you seek permission and saluted their inmates}’. 

Tafsir Tabari 24:27


Ibn Hajar, when mentioning the Tabari narration among others, stated the following:


Sa’id ibn Mansur, al-Tabari and al-Bayhaqi in al-Shi’b have narrated through a Sahih chain that Ibn Abbas used to recite “until you seem permission” and used to say: ‘The scribe made a mistake’.
Fath al-Bari, Volume 11 page 8


Another very interesting thing to note are the comments by the various scholars of tafsir. From their words it is quite clear that were in panic over this Ibn Abbas testimony:




Be aware that the statement by Ibn Abbas is one that requires consideration because it questions the authenticity of the Quran that has been narrated by Tawatur and that it necessitates one to accept the authenticity of the Quran (over that) which has not been narrated by Tawatur and opening those two doors will question the authenticity of whole Quran.

Tafsir Razi 24:27

See also: Tafsir Ibn Adil, Tafsir Abu Hayyan, Tafsir Alusi Baghdadi,


My comments:

“Ascertain Welcome” and “Seek permission” are quite the same thing. 

Seek permission and saluted their inmates. In this case no one panicked.  Razi simply mentioned the possible implications and stated that we are going with tawatur, the over whelming mass testimony and transmission. 


Evidence 4: A mix up in 17:23


In todays Uthmanic Quran, chapter 17 verse 23 reads as follows:


Thy Lord hath decreed, that ye worship none save Him, and (that ye show) kindness to parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age with thee, say not “Fie” unto them nor repulse them, but speak unto them a gracious word.

Qur’an 17:23


however Ibn Abbas disagreed, and was recorded in tafsir Razi volume 10 page 70 as saying:

Maimon bin Mehran narrated from Ibn Abbas that he said:

The actual word in this verse was ‘ووصى’ but ‘و’ got mixed with ‘ص’ that is why it is recited as ‘وَقَضَىٰ رَبُّكَ’. Then he said: ‘Had it been fate then none would have disobeyed Allah as it would have been impossible to go against fate of Allah’. This narration was narrated from him by Dahak and Saeed bin Jubair and this is the Qirat of Ali and Abdullah.

Tafsir Razi 17:23


Commenting on the authenticity of this Ibn Abbas claim, Ibn Hajar said:


A similar narration comes in regards to ‘And your Lord has commanded that you shall not serve (any) but Him’ He said: ووصى and و has joined صSayd bin Mansur narrated it with a great chain from him’
Fath al-Bari, Volume 8 page 373



Tafsir scholars much like in the previous section, also absolutely panicked at this evidence of corruption:




I know this saying is very weird as it no doubt opens the gates of Tahreef and changes in the Tareeq of Quran and if it is accepted then it will mean that Quran is out of protection and it will take out Quran from the status of Hujja and no doubt that it will open great criticism in religion” 

Tafsir Razi 17:23


Comments: Two Arabic letters got mixed up.

Yet we are told this is the Qir’aat of Ali (r.a) and Abdullah (r.a)


Evidence 5: Drowsy scribe makes a mistake in 13:31


I’m the current Uthmanic Quran we read the following for 13:31:


Had it been possible for a Lecture to cause the mountains to move, or the earth to be torn asunder, or the dead to speak, (this Qur’an would have done so). Nay, but Allah’s is the whole command. Do not those who believe know that, had Allah willed, He could have guided all mankind? As for those who disbelieve, disaster ceaseth not to strike them because of what they do, or it dwelleth near their home until the threat of Allah come to pass. Lo! Allah faileth not to keep the tryst.

Qur’an 13:31


Ibn Abbas however insisted that this is incorrect and is recorded as saying (from Al-Itqan):


Ibn Abbas recited this verse as ‘ He was told that it is ‘أَفَلَمْ يَا۟يْـَٔسِ ٱلَّذِينَ’ to which Ibn Abbas replied: “The writer has written but I think that he may not have been wakeful at that time of writing this word. 
Al Itqan fi Uloom al Quran, Volume 1 page 238


Commenting on the authenticity of this statement of Ibn Abbas, Ibn Hajar said:

.ل‏ And Tabari and Abd bin Hamid narrated with a Sahih chain containing all the narrators from the rijal of Bukhari, from Ibn Abbas that he recited “‏أفلم يتبين‏” and said that the writer had written it يَا۟يْـٔwhen he was drowsy.
Fath al Bari, Volume 8 page 373


My comments:

If this writer of this piece interestingly enough made a scribal error when he says, “’Im the current Uthmanic Quran we read the following for 13:31”

Allahu Akbar! Is it not interesting how our Creator works? So this person who is trying to cast aspersions on the transmission of the Qur’an under a heading on: 
“Scribal errors”

writes: “I’m the current Uthmanic Quran we read the following for 13:41” Look at that! just that one slip of the pen or lack of alterness when typing completely changes the meaning of the sentence!

So is this person wanting to alert us to something IN the Qur’an? Or, is this person trying to convince us that they themselves are the current Uthmanic Qur’an? Of course not.


So if this is a scribal error it is not a problem. This is the opinion that is attributed to Ibn Abbas (r.a) on the matter.


Evidence 6: A deleted portion from 2:198


The current Uthmanic Quran records chapter 2 verse 198 this way:



It is no sin for you that ye seek the bounty of your Lord. But, when ye press on in the multitude from ‘Arafat, remember Allah by the sacred monument. Remember Him as He hath guided you, although before ye were of those astray.

Quran 2:198


The Ibn Abbas recitation however, went like this:


Sahih-Bukhari 1770:


Narrated Ibn Abbas: Dhul-Majaz and `Ukaz were the markets of the people during the Pre-Islamic period of ignorance. When the people embraced Islam, they disliked to do bargaining there till the following Holy Verses were revealed:– There is no harm for you If you seek of the bounty Of your Lord during the Hajj season.’

Bukhari 1770


Some might argue that this is not evidence of corruption because of the inclusion of brackets in the modern editions of Bukhari. However, this is not a particularly great argument as the older editions don’t actually have brackets included. For instance, the Sultani edition (Circa 1893):




My comments:

It is no sin for you that ye seek the bounty of your Lord.”

There is no harm for you If you seek of the bounty Of your Lord (During the Hajj season.”

This is not a particular strong argument at all.


The use of parenthesis and brackets dates back to the 1500s in the English language. I personally do not know when they are first used or introduced in the Arabic language. Thus, the argument is not a strong argument at all on account of the author himself not looking at what commentators have said about the text, circa 1893 or obviously prior to it.


Evidence 7: Deletion from 4:24


In the Uthmanic Quran, chapter 4 verse 24 reads as follows:


And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah’s ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Quran 4:24


However Ibn Abbas believed that there should be an additional part of the verse. We read in Tafsir Manthur by As-Suyuti, whom is quoting the sources of the testimony:


Narrated Abed bin Hamid, ibn Jarir, al-Anbari in his book al-Musahif and al-Hakim and he declared the chain as Sahih from Abi Nadhra who said: ‘I recited before Ibn Abbas ‘ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers’. Ibn Abbas said: ‘ye derive benefit from them for a specific period’. I said: ‘We don’t recite it like this’. Ibn Abbas said: ‘By Allah it was revealed like that.’

Tafsir Manthur 2/140-141

The source of Al-Hakims narration which he declared Sahih is Al-Mustadrak volume 2 page 334, narration 3192. This was also declared as Sahih by Dhahabi according to the conditions of Imam Muslim.


 My comments:

Then as to those whom you profit by 

Ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowries as appointed.”

ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers.”

“ye derive benefit from them for a specific period.” 

Even if it was established that it was revealed the way that Ibn Abbas had stated, it was shown to him that others do not recite it like that. Which again is not a problem if we have an eclectic Qur’an that derives from all the various modes of transmission. 


Notice that the author uses a different wording even before the “disputed” part? Then as to those whom you profit by. That is why I have re-phrased it as “Ye derive benefit from them”


Evidence 8: Ibn Abbas testified to the Satanic verses


Those who have researched Islam, especially from a skeptical standpoint will likely have heard of the story of the Satanic verses incident, however those whom read the story are most likely to read the accounts from Tabaris history and Ibn Ishaqs Sira. However whilst these traditions are generally either Mursal or weak or both, there are many less known hadiths that can be traced to Ibn Abbas with sahih chains of narration. For instance from Suyutis Tafsir Manthur:



Al-Bazaar and Al-Tabarani and Ibn Mardaweh and al-Ziya’ have narrated through a chain of all trustworthy narrators by the way of Sayd Bin Jubayr, from Ibn Abbas that The Messenger of God recited: “Have you seen al-Lat, al-‘Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?” and Satan cast onto his tongue: “Those high gharaniq: their intercession is to be hoped for! And the Mushrikun were greatly pleased by this and said: “He has mentioned our gods.” So Jibril came to him and said: “Recite to me what I brought you!” And he recited: “Have you seen al-Lat, al-‘Uzza and Manat, the third, the other? Those high gharaniq: their intercession is hoped for!” He said: “I did not bring you this! This is from Satan!, or he said: “This is from Satan! I did not bring you these”. So God sent down: “And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet, but when he desired, Satan cast something into his recitation” to the end of the verse.

Tafsir Manthur 22:52


Suyuti is not 100% correct in his attributions of the report. He mistakenly attaches this particular narration to Musnad Al-Bazzar and Mujam Al-Kabir by Tabarani. However, the narrations in those books are also Sahih:


Yusuf b. Hammad al-Basri <– Umayyah b. Khalid al-Basri <– Shu’bah b. Hajjaj Al-Basri <– Abu Bishr Ja‘far b. Abi Wahshiyyah al-Basri al-Wasiti <– Sa‘id b. Jubayr <– Ibn ‘Abbas: When the Prophet was in Mecca, he recited, “Have you seen al-Lat, al-‘Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?” And there ran upon his tongue “Those high gharaniq: intercession from them is to be hoped for! The Mushrikun of Mecca heard this and were pleased by it. This greatly distressed the Messenger of God. So God sent down: “We have not sent before you a Messenger or a Prophet but that when he tamanna, Satan cast something into his umniyyah’, then God removes that which Satan casts and establishes His Signs clearly.”

Musnad Bazzar hadith examined


Al-Husayn b. Ishaq al-Tustari and ‘Abdan ‘Abd Allah b. Ahmad [al-Ahwazi al-Jawallqi <– Yusuf b. Hammad <– Umayyah b. Khalid <– Shu’bah <– Abu Bishr <– Sa‘id b. Jubayr <– Ibn ‘Abbas.

The same hadith is also cited from the Tafsir of Ibn Mardawayh by al-Diya’ al-Maqdisi in his Mukhtarah and by al-Zayla‘I in his Takhrij ahadith al-Kashshaf. Al-Diya’ al-Maqdisi provides Ibn Mardawayh’s full isnad:

Ahmad b. Musa Ibn Mardawayh Al isbahani <– his father, Musa b. Mardawayh Al isbahani <– Ibrahim b. Muhammad b. Mattuwayh al-isbahani <– ‘Ali b. al-Husayn b. Junayd al-Razi AND Ahmad b. Muhammad b. ‘Asim al-Razi <– Yusuf b. Hammad al-Basri <– Umayyah b. Khalid al-Basri <– Shu’bah b. Hajjaj al-Basri <– Abu Bishr al-Basri <– Said b. Jubayr al-Kufi <– Ibn ‘Abbas: the Prophet recited Surat al-Najm, and when he reached, “Have you seen al-Lat, al-‘Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?,” Satan cast onto his tongue: Those high gharaniq: their intercession is to be hoped for!” When he reached the end of it, he made the sajdah, and the Muslims and Mushrikun made the sajdah [with him]. So God sent down: “We have not sent before you a Messenger or a Prophet but that when he tamanna, Satan cast (something),” to His words, “the suffering of a barren day”: the Day of Badr.

Tabarani/Mardawayh hadith examined


While some scholars such as Haythami have attempted to dispute the authenticity of the statement based on the content, they are authentic chains and they were deemed as such for instance by Qadhi Uthmani in his tafsir Mazhari for the verse, whom said the hadiths are “successive and strong”. Furthermore, there is yet another narration this time appearing in Samarqandis tafsir. While this narration has not been authenticated by the hadith scholars, its chain is no doubt authentic.


Al-Khalil b. Ahmad Al-Sijzī al-Samarqandi <– Ibrahim b. Muhammad b. Mattuwayh Al-Ishaban <– Ja’far b. Muhammad al-Tayalisi al-baghdadi <– Ibrahim b. Muhammad Ar’arah al-Basri al-baghdadi <– Abū ‘Asim al-Nabil al-Dahhak b.Makhlad al-Makki al-Basri <– Uthman b. Al-Aswad al-Makki <– Sa‘id b. Jubayr <– Ibn Abbas: The messenger of God recited: “And Manāt, the third, the other.” Then he said: Those high Gharāniq: indeed, intercession from them is to be hoped for!” So the Mushrikūn said, “He has mentioned our Gods.” Then the verse (22:52) was sent down.

Samarqandi narration examined


My response: 

The author himself says:  “Sayuti is not 100% correct in his attributions of the report. He mistakenly attaches this particular narration to Musnad Al Bazzar and Mujam Al-Kabir by Tabarani.”   

That even someone of the caliber of Shaykh Ibn Hajar Al Haythami disputes the authenticity of the reports. Quoting one Qadhi as a definitive statement for chains of transmission that are admittedly an issue of dispute is not solid evidence at all. 



From the evidence provided, it should become clear to the reader that the claim that the Quran is free from corruption is severely weakened as Ibn Abbas, the man with the knowledge and interpretation of the Quran lists at least 7 mistakes and endorses the Satanic verses. These opinions of Ibn Abbas are also well known among the Quran scholars, but reject them simply because it proves the Quran is a corrupted scripture.

If that isn’t telling, I don’t know what is.”


My response:


What is telling is that the author of the article no doubt put together what he/she felt was a great critique of the transmission of the Qur’an bringing out what he/she felt were the strongest proofs available.  They came up empty handed.  All praise be to Allah.




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Not All of Allah’s Revelation is in the Qur’an.

Behold! Allah promised you one of the two parties, that it should be yours: You wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers.” (Qur’an 8:7)


Does anyone recall when Allah (swt) made this promise to the Blessed Messenger (saw)? Where is that statement at anywhere in the Qur’an?


Allah promised that the Muslims would either gain the caravan of Abū Sufyān, or defeat the army of Abū Jahl. However, this promise made by Allah is not found anywhere in the Qur’ān.


It was conveyed to the believers by the Blessed Prophet, however the verse states ‘Allah promised you’ and not ‘the Prophet promised you’. Hence the Blessed Prophet (saw) received the promise from Allah through unrecorded revelation that is not included in the Qur’an!


All of the Qur’an is revelation but not all of Allah’s revelation is in the Qur’an.


We all know that the Injil, Torah, Zabur and Suhuf are all revelation and yet not all of them are scrolls or books. In fact not all revelation that Allah (swt) gives is recorded in books or scrolls.


Every Prophet received revelation but not all prophets did receive a book.


Indeed, We have revealed to you as We revealed  to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed  to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Zabur.” (Qur’an 4:163) 


There is no book or revelation that was recorded or written down that was given to Noah (a.s).


And it was revealed to Noah, that, “No one will believe from your people except those who have already believed, so do not be distressed by what they have been doing.” (Qur’an 11:36)  



There is no kitab of Noah. None at all. The Qur’an does not mention this. It is clear assumption. Allah (swt) can clearly inform us if they did like when he mentions the suhuf (scrolls) of Ibrahim.



It is safe to assume however, that Ishamel and Issac (upon both be peace) had access to the Suhuf of Abraham. Though the Qur’an does not say this.

Jacob (a.s) it is hard to tell.

Jesus (a.s) had the Injil.

Aaron (a.s) is safe to say he had the Torah of Moses.

Solomon and David (upon both be peace) had the Torah of Moses, and David had the Zabur. Though the Qur’an does not say that Solomon had access to the Torah.

Job and Jonah both possibly had access to the Torah. Though the Qur’an does not say this.


However, the following point is still very strong.


Every Prophet received revelation but not all prophets did receive a book.



This verse states that the aforementioned Prophets all received revelation, but it is known that many of them did not receive a book. If revelation was confined to the books, then every Prophet would have received one. The fact many Prophets did not receive a book demonstrates that there exists revelation outside of these books.



All of the Qur’an is inspired but not everything that Allah inspired is in the Qur’an.


And your Lord revealed  to the been, saying: Choose your habitations in the hill and in the trees and in that which you have built.” (Qur’an 16:68)


We know that bee’s do not have a kitab (book).


Allah (swt) sent revelation to the disciples of Jesus to let them have firm belief in Jesus.


And when I revealed to the disciples, “Believe in Me and in My messenger Jesus.” They said, “We have believed, so bear witness that indeed we are Muslims.” (Qur’an 5:111)

And We revealed to the mother of Moses, “Suckle him; but when you fear for him, cast him into the river and do not fear and do not grieve. Indeed, We will return him to you and will make him of the messengers.” (Qur’an 28: 73)

Women received revelation. Yet, we do not say that the mother of Moses received a book other than what Moses was given, the Torah.


And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who do not expect the meeting with Us say, “Bring us a Qur’an other than this or change it.” Say, “It is not for me to change it on my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I should disobey my Lord, the punishment of a tremendous Day.” (Qur’an 10:15)


Further proof that the Blessed Messenger (saw) received revelation other than the Qur’ān is that the compilation of the Qur’ān is not in its chronological order. Verses revealed in Makkah are found in Madanī chapters and vice versa. Likewise chapters revealed in Madina come before chapters revealed in Makkah. The arrangement of verses within surahs, and the arrangement of the surahs within the Qur’ān could only have been done by the Blessed Messenger (saw) based upon revelation from Allah. As Allah commands the Blessed Messenger (saw) to say:


It is not for me to change it of my own accord.”




And We made them leaders guiding by Our command. And We revealed to them the

revealed doing of good deeds, establishment of prayer, and giving of zakah; and they worshiped us.” (Qur’an 21:73) 


The Blessed and Noble Prophet (saw) his doing of good, his establishing of the Prayer and his method of giving Zakah are all revelation. Those who reject the clear verses of Allah (swt) are none but the disbelievers. The establishment of the prayer and the amount of giving the zakah are revelation not recorded in the Qur’an.


Say, “If I should err, I would only err against myself. But if I am guided, it is by what my Lord reveals to me. Indeed, He is Hearing and near.” (Qur’an 34:50)


A method for establishing the hadith. It is possible the Prophet (saw) said something that is in error. However, it contradicts established facts and observable reality, it can be rejected as it is in error.


Say, “It has been revealed to me that a group of Jinn listened and said, “Indeed, we have heard an amazing Qur’an.” (Qur’an 72:1) 


This had to have happened before this proclamation. Yet, we do not find any where else in the Qur’an where Allah (swt) informed the Blessed Messenger (saw) of this information. Notice the text does not say, “It is now being revealed to me.” “I am now proclaiming to you this information”


When the Muslims arrived in Madina, the Blessed Messenger (saw) commanded them to pray facing Jerusalem. This continued until Allah (swt) revealed:

So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-haram.” (Qur’an 2:144)


Some of the non Muslims criticised this order, and demanded to know why the Qiblah was originally Jerusalem, but had now been changed. So Allah revealed:


We did not appoint the Qiblah that you were on except to distinguish the ones who follow the messenger from the ones who would turn back on their heels.” (Qur’an 2:143)



In other words this was a test from Allah. However, although Allah attributes the appointment of the previous Qiblah to Himself, this appointment is not found anywhere in the Qur’ān. It was the Blessed Messenger (saw) who told the believers to face Jerusalem, based upon revelation from Allah. This revelation was not part of the Qur’ān, and hence was unrecited revelation.



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The Detailed Qur’an and the Sabeans

Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans – those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.” (Qur’an 2:62)


Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associated with Allah – Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah is, over all things, Witness.” (Qur’an 22:17)


Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians – those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.” (Qur’an 5:69)


So in this “highly detailed” book that “leaves nothing out” who and what are the Sabeans? If we asked the followers of the Qur’an Only Religion what they thought. 

If Joseph Islam, Sam Gerrans, Hamza Abdul Malik, Javed Ghamidi, Shabir Ahmed, Edip Yuksel, Aisha Musa, Qur’an Centric where to all have a conference together and you asked them;  “Who are the Sabeans?” Please give me as many Qur’an references and quotations as humanly possible.


What would you come up with?

Edip Yuksel and his co-translators decided to simply throw in the towel. They decided that the Qur’an itself doesn’t explain what the word means so they rely upon the hadith literature!  

This is what they give you instead.

Surely those who acknowledge, and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and those who follow other religions, any one of them who acknowledge God and the Last day, and do reform, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.*” (Qur’an 2:62 A Reformist Translation) 

So they just leave the Sabeans out altogether.

When it comes to 5:69 we are just given a footnote that says, “005:069 See 2:62 “


“Those who acknowledge, the Jews, the Converts, the Nazarenes, the Zoroastrians, and those who have set up partners; God will separate between them on the day of Resurrection. For God is witness over all things.” (Qur’an 22:17 A Reformist Translation)

So here you can see in (Qur’an 22:17) the Sabians get translated as ‘the Converts’ where as in (Qur’an 2:62) they just get left out completely. 


So Edip Yuksel, Layth Saleh al-Shaiban & Martha Schulte-Nafeh came with the following: 



Source (Reformist Translation of the Qur’an pg. 65)

Apparently Layth Saleh al-Shaiban who is the translator didn’t tell us a source that says: “SaBaA means to be an apostate.” The “detailed Qur’an”  that “doesn’t leave anything out of the book” certainly does it tell us this. One of the three mentioned above wrote:

“As for the word Sabiene, it is a  mistranslated as a proper name by the majority of commentators.”  So which classical commentator understands the word in the way that they do?  One of them wrote: “In fact, it derives from the Arabic word SaBaA, meaning to be an apostate, or ‘the follower of other religions’. Hadith books use this word as an accusation of Meccan mushriks directed against Muhammed when he started denouncing the religion of his people, they described his conversion to the system of Islam with the verb ‘SaBaA’.   

In fact, it derives from the Arabic word SaBaA, meaning to be an apostate, OR ‘the follower of other religions’. Where does the “highly detailed” Qur’an that “leaves nothing out of the book” mention this?

Why couldn’t they cross reference the word with another word in the Qur’an? 

Why is Edip and his co-authors/translators referencing the hadith books? Why is the Qur’an not sufficient enough to tell us what the word means? Also,

Edip and his co-authors/translators must think that Allah (swt) has some deficiency when using language. Notice they say, that SaBaA could mean: apostate/follower of other religion/


The true religion with Allah is Islam(l-is’lamu). Those who were given the Book were not at variance except after the knowledge came to them, being insolent one to another. And whoso disbelieves in God’s signs. God is swift at the reckoning.” (Qur’an 3:19)

If Allah (swt) was meaning that all of those people who believe in God, the Last Day and Work Righteousness he could have just said: “l-is’lam”.  If what is intended by Edip’s thinking is a submitter to God?  Also, unfortunately, Edip’s understanding of the verse leaves Buddhism out in the freezing cold.   

So does Sabian mean: Apostate/Convert/ Or the very vague: Follower of Other Religions?  Obviously putting the word Apostate in the verses will be very awkward. 


This is how it would look for the curious: 


“Those who acknowledge, the Jews, the Apostates, the Nazarenes, the Zoroastrians, and those who have set up partners; God will separate between them on the day of Resurrection. For God is witness over all things.” (Qur’an 22:17 A Reformist Translation)

Surely those who acknowledge, and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Apostates, any one of them who acknowledge God and the Last day, and do reform, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.” (Qur’an 2:62 A Reformist Translation) 

Simply bizarre. Absolutely no explanation is given on why Allah (swt) would mention converts (presumably to Islam) in these verses when they would already be believers. 


So let us plug in “follower of other religions”. This is how it would look for the curious: 


“Those who acknowledge, the Jews, the followers of other religions, the Nazarenes, the Zoroastrians, and those who have set up partners; God will separate between them on the day of Resurrection. For God is witness over all things.” (Qur’an 22:17 A Reformist Translation)

Surely those who acknowledge, and those who are Jewish, Nazarenes, and those who follow other religions, any one of them who acknowledge God and the Last day, and do reform, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.” (Qur’an 2:62 A Reformist Translation) 


The problem with the Reformist Translation beyond trying to make the Qur’an say what one wants it to say is that it looks less and less like it came from a Creator and more and more like a confused, jumbled mess.

Little wonder the only praise the book got was from fellow Qur’an Only Religious believers, those who want to liberalize Islam and oh yes, ‘One anonymous Sunni scholar” (of course…wink, wink).

Here is how a Creator who is trying to convey to us that he sent one system for humanity, and that there is no delineation between any of the systems would convey his message:

“Surely those who acknowledge God and the Last Day, and do reform, they will have their reward wit their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.”  There you go. Very simple. 


Sam Gerrans takes a stab at it. In his: “Qur’an a Complete Revelation” we have nothing novel there.


“Who are the Sabeans according to this detailed book?”-Sam Gerrans 

“I dunno but I have a pretty good guess.”-Edip Yuksel.

“Ah sweet bro let me copy that down!”-Sam Gerrans. 


Those who heed the warning and those who hold to Judaism and the Nazarenes And the Sabaeans Whoso believe in God and the Last day and works righteousness: They have their reward with their lord and they need not fear Nor will they regret.” (Qur’an 2:62 A Complete Revelation Sam Gerrans)


His foot note says:

‘Arabic s-b-‘. This root is also associated in the early Islamic literature with followers of other faiths, or with apostates. I am indebted to Edip Yuksel et al for this point.” 


“Those who heed warning And those who hold to Judaism and the Sabaeans and the Nazarenes Whoso believes in God and the Last Day and works righteousness: They need not fear Nor will they regret.” (Qur’an 5:69 A Complete Revelation Sam Gerrans)


“Those who heed warning and those who hold to Judaism And the Sabaeans And the Nazarenes and the Majus And those who ascribe a partnership God will decide between them on the Day of Resurrection. God is a witness over all things.” (Qur’an 22:17 A Complete Revelation Sam Gerrans)


And he has a footnote that reads in regards to the Majus

“Muhammad Asad comments here:

“Al-majus: the followers of Zoroaster or Zarathustra (Zardusht), the Iranian prophet who lived about the middle of the last millennium B.C, and whose teachings are laid down in the Zend-Avesta. They are represented today by Gabrs of Iran and, more prominently, by the Parsis of India and Pakistan. Their religion, though dualistic in philosophy is based in belief in God as the Creator of the universe.”  So as regards Sabeans , Gerrans has decided to leave the word transliterated into English and has copy pasted Edip et all and what they have said. 

Those who follow the Qur’an Only Religion have absolutely no recourse to this word Sabean other than to reference early Islamic literature.

The word appears three times in the “highly detailed revelation” that apparently leaves nothing out, is clear, and explains itself. This among many many other reasons I do not find the Qur’an Only Religion to be cogent. 



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“The Qur’an teaches that the Earth is flat” -Sam Gerrans (Qur’an Only Advocate)

Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, there are indeed signs for men of understanding.” (Qur’an 3:190)


For those who do not know, follower of the Qur’an Only Religion and translator of the Qur’an, Sam Gerrans believes that in his deep study of the Qur’an that the conclusion is: We live in a stationary, flat earth, with a solid firmament above us. You can see his full discussion here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDSMK34QNfI&frags=pl%2Cwn


Sam Gerrans pictured above. 


This is the picture that Sam uses in the thumbnail to the video above (with his own modifications) 


Now it is not clear if Sam Gerrans believes that we have a universe or if that is also part of the deception. In his thumbnail he puts God “outside” of the Creation, or so it seems.IN his thumbnail (not included in the picture above) he has the “Heaven of Heavens” and than God is “above” it. Or so it seems. Because if it’s all flat we don’t really know if God is “above” the Creation or below it.

Theology is not a strong point of those who follow the Qur’an Only Religion so it hard to glean rather or not Sam believes that Allah(swt) is outside of space/time.


This was the belief of the ancient people that the Earth that we live in is flat. 


The tree you saw, which grew large and strong, whose top reached the sky and was visible to all the earth.” (Daniel 4:20)


This is the belief of those who believe in a flat Earth. No such tree has existed or ever will exist, because in a spherical world it is impossible to see such an object. Not to mention the fact that objects appear smaller/larger via distance to that object.


“When he had reached the departure of the sun and found it departing in a murky spring and found a people nearby

We said: O Dhu’l-Qarnayn: thou shalt either punish or take concerning them good.” (Qur’an 18:86)


Why Sam feels the need to translate into English “thou shalt” in the 21 century is beyond me. To each their own I guess.


Now I would personally offer to do this for Sam Gerrans, and I hope others would join in on this fun little project. That we get different people who live in different time zones (unless that to is part of the conspiracy) and as the sun “sets” in my area some one else who is experiencing 1:00pm can tell us if the sun has “departed” or not.


Now the only place on the Earth (in my limited knowledge of topography and geography) that might fit this description would be Iceland where they experience the “midnight” sun with 6 months of darkness. Yet, I am really really hoping that Sam does not believe that during that 6 months of darkness that the rest of us who do experience sunlight are under some kind of mass hallucination.


At this point it sounds like we are all captive in the “Dark City” than anything else.  Interestingly, Dark City is a film I found on Netflix recently and decided to watch. Since the film has been out for some time I believe it is safe for me to say that basically the inhabitants of the Dark City are humans who have been kidnapped by a dying race of alien beings. They change the memories around of the inhabitants and keep them in almost like a spell induced sleep. The place they live on is a flat disk (craft) and no one can ever seem to find the outer limits of this city (because there is none).   


This is how many of the translations of the Qur’an look when dealing with the verse of the sun “setting in a murky spring”


Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, “O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish or else adopt among them goodness.” (Qur’an 18:86) 


This is side by side with Gerrans translation:

“When he had reached the departure of the sun and found it departing in a murky spring and found a people nearby

We said: O Dhu’l-Qarnayn: thou shalt either punish or take concerning them good.” (Qur’an 18:86) 


Now either the Qur’an is using language that describes how some human beings perceive their reality (which is very damaging to the claims of Sam Gerrans), or we are confronted with the reality that the Qur’an contradicts observable phenomena. Observable phenomena which is tawatur -continuous mass testimony.

The sun neither sets nor departs. It is part of the language that is used even in the 21st century unlike “thou shalt”.   

For example: 


For example: It was part of the language of the people when welcoming the Blessed Prophet (saw).

ṭala‘a ‘l-badru ‘alaynā -The full moon rose over us

min thaniyyāti ‘l-wadā‘ -From the valley of Wada‘

The people of Mecca did not believe that the moon rose from the valley of Wada. This was with in the poetic expression of the people. However, from their observable perspective they most likely did believe that the moon literally rose (though not necessarily from the valley of Wada).


Now if I had to choose between the following: 

1) Their is a massive conspiracy out there to deny the truth of a flat Earth, where the water some how doesn’t fall off the edge, and there is some ice wall /or barrier we cannot penetrate.   


2) Sam Gerrans is part of some psy-ops that is out to make the Qur’an look absurd.   


If I had to choose between the two I would say that 2 is more likely. The problem is that science itself is often very dumb and I do mean very dumb when interacting with people who believe the Earth is hallow, or the flat-Earth people like Sam Gerrans. 


Take for example this video by Neil Tyson who’s first point is very dumb. So Neil’s first point is that Flat Earther’s believe that other planetary bodies are spherical/round. Actually, I know some that don’t believe that at all. They don’t believe in other planets or that we even have a universe! (Not sure Sam Gerrans stance on this.) 


However, look at this image and study it for a moment. Why do you think it is extremely dumb to use 2D images of 9 disc pointed one way and one 2D image of a disc pointed another way to prove that all 10 of the disc are spherical? 


Where as the next point is more cogent and people like Sam Gerrans really struggle to explain this. 


So yes I am more likely to believe that Sam Gerrans is a part of a psy-ops that wants to make the Qur’an look bad than I am willing to believe there is a massive conspiracy to deny that our Earth is flat. 


This is an Islamic Globe dated from the early 1800s. Source: https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/19691.html




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The Age of Aisha and the Highly Detailed Qur’an?

Indeed, those who came with falsehood are a group among you. Do not think it bad for you; rather it is good for you. For every person among them is what he has earned from the sin, and he who took upon himself the greater portion thereof – for him is a great punishment. Why, when you heard it, did not the believing men and believing women think good of one another and say, “This is an obvious falsehood”? Why did they not produce for it four witnesses? And when they do not produce the witnesses, then it is they, in the sight of Allah, who are the liars. And if it had not been for the favor of Allah upon you and His mercy in this world and the Hereafter, you would have been touched for that in which you were involved by a great punishment. When one tongue received it from another and you uttered with your mouths something /that you knew nothing about. You deemed it to be a trifle while in the sight of Allah it was a serious matter. And why, no sooner than you had heard it, did you not say: “It becomes us not even to utter such a thing? Holy are You! This is a great slander.” Allah admonishes you: If you are true believers, never repeat the like of what you did. Allah makes clear to you his verses. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.” (Qur’an 1-18)


From the perspective of the Qur’an Only Religion all one can say is that something happened, to someone, somewhere. There are many many details that are left out of this passage alone, let other parts of the Qur’an.

Who are those  who came with falsehood? Qur’an answer: irrelevant.

What as the nature  of the falsehood/allegation? Qur’an answer: irrelevant.

We can only assume based upon the key phrase “Why did they not produce for it four witnesses?” That someone, somewhere, accused somebody of either adultery/fornication. That is the best we can surmise from the text. Interestingly this section ends with “Allah makes clear to you his verses.”


So recently a follower of the Qur’an Only Religion who goes by the moniker of “The British Muslim” decided that the Qur’an just doesn’t cut the mustard when it comes to clarifying the age of Aisha (r.a). So he decided to make this video: 


So instead of going to the text that he felt “left nothing out” and is “highly detailed” he went to extraneous sources to satisfy his curiosity. However, this is inconsistent to the methodology of the Qur’an Only Religion. the Qur’an Only Religion teaches us that all we need is the Qur’an, the whole Qur’an, and nothing but the Qur’an.  Even though for some odd reason Allah (swt) associated himself with a human being my name the name of Muhammed (saw) and used him as a vehicle to convey his message, even though Allah (swt) states clearly he could have done otherwise. 

Yet for some reason(in the warped thinking of the Qur’an Only community)  having the divine speech pass through the vehicle of a human being is not shirk (associating a partner with Allah). 


In reality the position of the Qur’an Religion in regards to Aisha (r.a) is this:  Aisha who? Who is she? Why does she even matter? She doesn’t. The Qur’an does not mention her at all. All we know is that some guy named Muhammed (saw) received the Qur’an. There is no mention of his last name or his father’s name. Nothing. It’s just Muhammed, nothing more and nothing less. 

The truth of the matter is that from a Qur’an Only perspective it does not give a specific appropriate age for getting married. This has been made abundantly clear is this article: https://primaquran.com/2020/04/18/the-appropriate-age-for-a-female-to-marry-and-bare-children/   


In this article I was interacting with the material from a member of the Qur’an Only Religion that goes by the pseudonym ‘Joseph Islam’ and perhaps he was uncomfortable with the vary obvious fact that Allah (swt) decreed that WOMEN start ovulating at 11 and 12 and can conceive children.  You may be interested in seeing my conversation with a member of the Qur’an Only Religion. Even he acknowledged that the Qur’an doesn’t stipulate an age for marriage. However, he had tried in his own way to force the Qur’an to say what he felt was the appropriate age for marriage. 


You the discerning reader be the judge.

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Qur’an Only sect Kala Kato burns four children alive and continues a campaign of terror.

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption done in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, even after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.” (Qur’an 5:32)


The problem with the Qur’an only religion is that it has the ability to be far far more violent than anything you would find in the religion of Islam. In Islam as we follow the Qur’an and the Sunnah we have very clear restrictions put upon us when it regards war and combat.


It has been related that the Blessed Messenger (saw) said:

You will find a people who claim to have totally given themselves to God. Leave them to what they claim to have given themselves… Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the spoils, and do not be cowardly.” Source: (Mālik ibn Anas, and Abū Muṣ’ab Al-Zuhri. Muwaṭṭa’ Al-Imām Mālik. (Bayrūt: Mu’assasat al-Risālah, 1993) 1:357 #918.)


According to the Qur’an only religion based upon their faulty understanding of Islam’s sacred text they believe that there is nothing included in a book that is fully detailed and leaves nothing out that explicitly states: “Do not kill women or children.” This is frightening. We see this on full display with Kalo Kato


In fact due to the interpretative principles applied by any number of the federation of sects included in the Qur’an Only Religion they can manipulate such as the following:


Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption done in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, even after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.” (Qur’an 5:32)


The apparent and clear reading of this verse is that the killing of a soul unless for a soul or corruption in the land is that this is only a decree for the children of Israel, not necessarily for anyone else. The phrase “corruption done in the land” is also not clearly defined or detailed. These type of general and vague expressions allow for sects among the Qur’an Only Religion, like Kalo Kato to reign down death and terror upon any who get in their way.


A resident of the area said they sensed trouble when the preacher of the sect during today’s morning prayers started denouncing other Islamic sects as infidels and condemning the action against the Boko Haram sect members when according to him, ‘they were preaching the truth.’ ”
— “An eyewitness, Kamal said the sect members descended on a listener who challenged the preachers before they went wild attacking anyone in sight and burning houses.” Source: https://www.realcourage.org/2009/12/nigeria-bauchi-violence-kala-kato/


You can read more about this violent Qur’an Only Religion sect here:


What is both revealing and frightening is that the only country on the Earth where a sizeable portion of the population has followed Qur’an only ideology that once they gained a foothold in an area takfiri ideology, and violent fanaticism manifested!

I really hope that is not a portend of things to come. 


It is hoped that all followers of the Qur’an Only Religion would condemn the acts of this Qur’an Only Sect and it is hoped that they would interpret the text in a very different way than what Kala Kato has done.




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Nothing left out of this book? The Manipulation of the Qur’an only Religion

And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie or denies His verses? Indeed, the wrongdoers will not succeed.” (Qur’an 6:21)


Now one thing you will immediately notice when dealing with the Qur’an only religion is that most of them do not even speak Arabic. Most of them try and appeal to converts (who have very poor or weak Arabic). They have a reason for doing this, because they prey upon the fact that you do not understand the Arabic and thus, are able to manipulate what the text says.


A prime example is their manipulation of this verse:


We did not leave anything out of this book.” (Qur’an 6:38) Now as my website is directed primarily to an English speaking audience let me ask you this.

Is there a difference between saying:

We did not leave anything out of this book.” and

We did not leave anything out of the book.”


If I were to say ‘the book’ then this is vague. What book am I actually referring to? If I say ‘this book’ than I am referring to a book that is actually with me.

The Arabic word used here is l-kitabi. L-kitabi need not necessarily be a reference to the Qur’an at all.

It is the same word that is used in the following verses:


And there followed them successors who inherited the book taking the commodities of this lower life and saying, “It will be forgiven for us.” And if an offer like it comes to them, they will take it. Was not the covenant of the book taken from them that they would not say about Allah except the truth, and they studied what was in it? And the home of the Hereafter is better for those who fear Allah, so will you not use reason?” (Qur’an 7:169)


It is very obvious that l-kitabi Is not a reference to the Qur’an in the above text.


And We conveyed to the Children of Israel in the book that, “You will surely cause corruption on the earth twice, and you will surely reach haughtiness.” (Qur’an 17:4)

It is very obvious that l-kitabi is a not a reference to the Qur’an as it was sent down to the Blessed Prophet Muhammed (saw).

“And do not argue with the People of the book  except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our Allah and your Allah is one; and we are Muslims to Him.” (Qur’an 29:46)


It is very obvious that l-kitabi is not a reference to the Qur’an in the above verse.

Have you not considered those who practice hypocrisy, saying to their brothers who have disbelieved among the People of the Book, “If you are expelled, we will surely leave with you, and we will not obey, in regard to you, anyone – ever; and if you are fought, we will surely aid you.” But Allah testifies that they are liars.” (Qu’ran 59:11)


Can you imagine Allah (swt) calling (ahli Qur’an) people of the Qur’an liars? Obviously l-kitabi above is not a reference to the Qur’an.

Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the book  and the polytheist will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.” (Qur’an 98:6)

Can you imagine Allah (swt) saying those who disbelieved among the (ahli Qur’an) will be with the polytheist in hell forever? It is obvious that l-kitabi above is not a reference to the Qur’an.


The logical contradiction.


We did not leave anything out of this book.” (Qur’an 6:38)

In order for this verse to be true in the way that those who follow the Qur’an only religion would have us to believe this verse would have to be the last verse revealed in the Qur’an. If any other verses came after it, this entails a logical and absolutely devastating blow to their position.


The Qur’an was not sent down all at once.


And those who disbelieve say: Why is not the Quran revealed to him all at once? Thus, that We may strengthen your heart thereby. And We have revealed it to you gradually, in stages.” (Qur’an 25:32) 


Also if they don’t know the last verse of the Qur’an to be revealed that also is a logical and devastating blow to the way they understand the verse. Because it means that what was revealed first and last has been left out of the Qur’an! This is important for their argument.


Allah (swt) has clearly told us that he has not included everything in the Qur’an.


And messengers We have mentioned unto you before and messengers We have not mentioned unto you; and Allah spoke directly to Moses.” (Qur’an 4:164)


So how exactly do we understand the verse that is consistent with not only logic but with the Qur’an itself?



And the book will be placed open, and you will see the criminals fearful of that within it, and they will say, “Oh, woe to us! What is this book that leaves nothing small or great except that it has enumerated it?” And they will find what they did present before them. And your Lord does injustice to no one.” (Qur’an 18:49)


Are we really to understand this to mean ,”So as for he who is given the Qur’an in his right hand, he will say, “Here, read my Qur’an!” No. That is ridiculous. It is very obvious that l-kitabi (this book) above is not a referee to the Qur’an at all. Rather it is a reference to the book that contains each and every single act that we have done. The Qur’an for example obviously does not contain each and every evil small or great that humans have done.


So as for he who is given his book in his right hand, he will say, “Here, read my book! (Qur’an 69:19)


But as for he who is given his book behind his back.” (Qur’an 84:10)


Are we really to understand this as “But as for he who is given his Qur’an behind his back?”   It is best if we understand (Qur’an 6:38) in light of a verse that will help bring clarity to the confusion of those who follow the Qur’an Only Religion.

If only they were guided to reflect upon the following verse:

There is no creature on earth whose sustenance is not undertaken by Allah. He knows where it lives and where it rests. Everything is in a Book that is clear.” (Qur’an 11:6)


It should be more than obvious that both the verses above refer to some celestial register where the minutia of all things are kept, and not tot he Qur’an. 



The verse (Qur’an 6:38) itself does not indicate if it is talking about the Qur’an or not. 


It is only through secondary sources that we know that.

The only way out from this air tight argument from an intra-Qura’n perspective is to accept the verses mentioned above that make one realize that it is talking about the book of deeds that is with Allah (swt).

The followers of the Qur’an Only Religion don’t want to accept this because it completely nukes one of their central talking points.


Dear readers those people who follow the Qur’an only religion more often than not have very poor and weak knowledge of the Arabic language. Many of them can barely speak it, if at all. You do not see them offering to recite to you the Qur’an in Arabic, with proper recitation. The level of understanding of Arabic among them is quite atrocious. This is not to be mean; however, to be brutally honest. This is why they rely upon such very weak arguments to present their case.



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The Qur’an Only Religion and their confusion in regards to Allah’s judgement.


“And if you differ in any matter among yourselves, then refer it back to Allah and His Messenger, if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day.” (Qur’an 4:59)


Say: “O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel,and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord.” It is the revelation that comes to you from your Lord,, that increases most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow you not over (these) people without Faith.” (Qur’an 5:68)


I am not going to leave Islam for the shallow and vacuous federation of sects that are collectively known as the “Qur’an only religion.” A federation of competing sects that say we ignore what Allah (swt) says.


They themselves cannot even agree what the prayer is. They supposedly believe that Allah (swt) is clear. They supposedly believe that Allah (swt) wanted us to pray…..something….somehow…. That simply is not clarity.



Allah (swt) clearly told us to accept “all the revelation” that has come to us.

“So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part?” (Qur’an 2:85)

In reality these Qur’an rejectors (for that is what they are) do exactly this. They accept certain parts of the Qur’an and reject others. In fact I do not think it is right to even call them “Qur’an Only” because the truth is, they are Qur’an partially, which renders them disbelievers.



Whosoever judges not according to what Allah has sent down-they are the ungodly”. (Qur’an 5:47)

Whoso judges not according to what Allah has sent down-they are the un­believers”. (Qur’an 5:44)

Whoso judges not according to what Allah has sent down-they are the evil­doers”. (Qur’an 5:45)

Very powerful verses. Who ever does not judge according to what Allah has sent down are ungodly, unbelievers and evil-doers. An apt description for the Qur’an rejectors.


And what exactly is it that Allah has sent down?


Well, Allah (swt) has also sent down the following verses:

“And if you differ in any matter among yourselves, then refer it back to Allah and His Messenger, if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day.” (Qur’an 4:59)


Allah has also sent down the following:

It is not for any believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter, to have the choice in the affair. Whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has gone astray into manifest error”. (Qur’an 33:36)


When they are called to Allah and His Messenger to judge between them, lo, a party of them swerve aside; but if they are in the right, they will come to him submissively. What, is there sickness in their hearts, or are they in doubt, or do they fear that Allah and his Messenger maybe unjust towards them ? Nay, but those-they are the wrongdoers”. (Qur’an 24:48-50)


All that the believers say, when they are called to Allah and His Messenger, to judge between them, is that they say, `We hear, and we obey’; those-they are the successful”. (Qur’an 24:51)


Allah AND his Messenger have decreed a matter. Allah AND his Messenger. Why the redundant language? Why not simply say Allah alone?

So do those who follow the Qur’an only religion (Qur’an rejectors) accept these verses or not? In reality they do not. They believe that the sovereign Creator of the universe uses redundant language! May Allah (swt) guide them!

They clearly do not judge by what Allah (swt) has sent down because in what Allah (swt) has sent down is the Qur’an which says that we are to submit to the judgement of Allah and his Messenger.


So let us unpack this. When we take the Qur’an as a whole. We can see that there is:

  1. The judgement of Allah (swt).

So judge between them according to what Allah has sent down, and do not follow their caprices”. (Qur’an 5:48)

  1. The judgement of the Messenger of Allah (swt).  

    If they come to you, judge you between them, or turn away from them; if you turn away from them, they will hurt you nothing; and if you judge, judge justly between them; Allah loves the just”. (Qur’an 5:42)



Both are sources of judgement.

However, the judgement of Muhammed (saw) can be over-ruled by the judgement of Allah (swt). We made this abundantly clear in our article here: https://primaquran.com/2019/08/08/the-soundness-of-the-prima-quran-view/

The judgement of the Blessed Prophet (saw) cannot over rule the judgement of Allah (swt).


Out of all judgements the judgement of Allah (swt) is the best and Allah (swt) has made that clear here:

Is it the judgement of the times of ignorance they are seeking? Yet who is fairer in judgement than Allah, for a people having conviction?” ( Qur’an 5:50)

Who is fairer in judgement than Allah. Again it is not that others cannot judge it’s just that Allah’s judgement is the best judgement and no one argue against that.

Just like the Qur’an no where , and I repeat no where says that we are to reject all the hadith, it simply tell us that there is no better hadith than that of Allah’s, and no one can argue against that.


Allah (swt) has made that clear that when he has given his judgement on a matter that is what we are to go by. Allah (swt) has made that clear here:


Surely We have sent down to thee the Book with the truth, so that you may judge between the people by that Allah has shown you. So be not an advocate for the traitors”. (Qur’an 4:105)


Which is exactly the Prima-Qur’an position. Not to not take anything above the Qur’an. The Qur’an is the filter.


So what about what Allah (swt) has not shown therein?

Well unlike what the Qur’an only religion teaches, we believe that Allah (swt) is very clear about this. Allah (swt) says:

But no, by you Lord! they will not believe till they make you the judge regarding the disagreement between them and then find in themselves no impediment touching your verdict, but surrender in full submission”. (Qur’an 4:65)

The above verses clearly explain the sacred duty of litigants in a disagreement or dispute are to take recourse to the Messenger of Allah (swt) and no other person. It also places upon the litigants the solemn duty of complete submission to his judgement.


What is interesting is that the followers of the “Qur’an only religion” also known as: Qur’an rejectors, is that take their own interpretations of the scripture as guidance and yet reject the guidance of the Messenger of Allah!

“O two companions of the prison! Are many different deities better, or Allah, the One, the Irresistible? You do not worship besides Him, except names which you and your forefathers have forged,
for which Allah has sent down no authority. The Judgement is for none but Allah. He has commanded that you worship none except Him. That is the standard religion. But most of mankind do not know.” (Qur’an 12:39-40)


So is Allah (swt) saying that no one can judge but Allah?


That would be very weird to give human beings laws about punishing adulterers and fornicators, protecting the rights of orphans, property, bringing forth witnesses and testimony and having no court system, no laws and no judges.

Consume not your goods between you in vanity; neither proffer it to the judges, that you may sinfully consume a portion of other men’s goods, and that wittingly”. (Qur’an 2:188)


And if there should be a group among you who has believed in that with which I have been sent and a group that has not believed, then be patient until Allah judges between us. And He is the best of judges.” (Qur’an 7:87)


Allah (swt) has clearly mentioned other judges than him. First and foremost are the verses that have already been mentioned about the Blessed Prophet (saw) also being a judge.


Allah (swt) has clearly mentioned the steps that believers are to take when having disagreements.


“And if you differ in any matter among yourselves, then refer it back to Allah and His Messenger, if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day.” (Qur’an 4:59)


And whatever you are at variance on, the judgement thereof belongs to Allah. That then is Allah, my Lord; in Him I have put my trust, and to Him I turn penitent.” (Qur’an 42:10)


Just like those who have misrepresented the position of the Ibadi school in the following verses:


And if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah . And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.” (Qur’an 49:9).


So it is not that we do not believe in arbitration but that we do not concede to arbitration on a matter in which Allah (swt) has already made arbitration. We seek the judgement and the guidance and the arbitration of the Blessed Messenger, the Prophet Muhammed (saw). We do this because it is the judgement of Allah (swt) that we do so on any matters in which Allah (swt) has not shown us.

It is not that no one on Earth has the ability to heal, but Allah is the best of healers.

It is not that no one on the Earth can assist, but that Allah is the best of healers.

It is not that no one on this earth can give love, but Allah is the best of those who give love.

It is not that no one on this earth can give mercy, but Allah is the best of those who give mercy.

It is not that we cannot take hadith, but that the hadith of Allah is the best.

It is not that we cannot take take from other sources that claim to be revelation , but Allah is regulator muhayminun over them.

It is not that we cannot take judgement from other than Allah, but that Allah’s is the best and final judgement.


Recently one of these followers of the Qur’an only religion has been commenting on on this site. I have approved its initial post and responded to it. However, it became quite caustic. They have shown again they have not thought deeply about matters such as:


Is the Qur’an created or uncreated. Is it the speech of Allah (swt) or not. The person responded, “The Qur’an is not God.” Such a simplistic attitude towards an issue that merits pensive reflection. It is hard to take followers of the Qur’an only religion seriously. Insh’Allah perhaps I will explore this and other issues where the Qur’an only religion sits on the sidelines and rails on and on about the hadith literature and contributes little else. Indeed they offer little else.



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Jesus will be a sign for the coming of the hour? Abuse of Qur’an 43:61


And indeed, it surely is a knowledge of the Hour. So do not be in doubt about it, and follow Me. This is the Path Straight.” (Qur’an 43:61)


This text has to also be one of the most used and abused text of the whole of the Qur’an. It used to assert the so called 2nd of Christ Jesus. The fact that this is the ‘go to’ verse when anyone is trying to assert that the Qur’an affirms the 2nd coming of Christ Jesus shows you just how weak their argument is. Such people are better off using the ahadith to argue their position. 


Note how the text is being translated at Qur’an corpus.




Also, when you go to the following link. https://quran.com/43/61

Look how they translate it into English. 

This is how they translate it into English for the unsuspecting reader:


And indeed, Jesus will be [a sign for] knowledge of the Hour, so be not in doubt of it, and follow Me. This is a straight path.”


Yet when you click on the vocalization of the Arabic and how it is rendered something eye opening occurs.

Their own exact translation is “And indeed it” yet the English they wedge in there “Jesus”. 


Are you ready to see how far the rabbit hole goes?





So let’s take a look at some other disparate translations.  https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/43/61/default.htm


Muhammed Asad & Abdl Haleem  & Mohamed Shafi translations have the “it” as the passage referring to the Qur’an

Shabir Ahmed has it as the Qur’an but unlike Muhammed Asad and Abdul Haleem and Mohamed Shafi he has the Qur’an talking about an “oncoming Revolution” rather than “the hour”. 


Yusuf Ali Saudi version just goes all in look at it! “And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of). So not only is it Jesus but he is a Sign as well!

Safi Kasas has Jesus in brackets but unlike Yusuf Ali he puts the [a sign] in brackets as well.

Abdul Hye goes all with the second coming..”And he (Jesus) is a KNOWN SIGN.

Dr. Munir Munshey gets carried away with “In fact he, (and his fatherless birth) is a sign.

Then we have the Mustafa Khattab translation really over selling it with their translation,

“And his ˹second˺ coming is truly a sign for the Hour. So have no doubt about it, and follow me. This is the Straight Path.”


Muhsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilah (another Saudi translation) have it as: “And he (Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) shall be a known sign.”


Dr. Mohammad Tahir ul Qadri takes a que from his Wahabbi opponents and follows their lead with “And surely (when) he, (Isa[Jesus], descends from heaven), he will be a sign…”


Ali Unai just goes on a tangent “Surely he (Jesus) (brought into the world without a father, and granted such miracles as reviving the dead) is a means to knowledge of the Last Hour.”

Hamid S. Aziz is more neutral, non-committal in translation”


And most surely it is (the above events or the Quran or he, Jesus) is a sign of the knowledge of coming of the Hour (of Resurrection and Judgment), therefore have no doubt about it and follow Me: this is the Straight Way.”


Muhammad Taqi Usmani has it as (‘Isa)

Syed Vickar Ahamed “And (Isa)

Farook Malik He (Jesus)

Maududi has it “Verily he [i.e, Jesus)


Rashad Khalifa has a bizarre translation: “He is to serve as a maker for knowing the end of the world, so you can no longer harbor any doubt about it.”


The Monotheist group -taking a que from their former mentor and master, Rashad Khalifa, has it as “He” and this he becomes “a lesson for the Hour”

Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar has an interesting translation: “And truly, he is with the knowledge of the Hour.”


Do people have justification to understand the verse as a reference to Jesus?

Well, if you look at the surrounding context of the verse the theme is about Jesus.


“Jesus was not but a servant upon whom We bestowed favor, and We made him an example for the Children of Israel. And if We willed, We could have made [instead] of you angels succeeding [one another] on the earth.” (Qur’an 43:59-60)


As well as the text after..


“And when Jesus brought clear proofs, he said, “I have come to you with wisdom and to make clear to you some of that over which you differ, so fear Allah and obey me.” (Qur’an 43:63)

So this could be a reason why some have considered 43:61 to be about Jesus.


A closer look at the Arabic text. “wa-innahu”, this is the 3rd person masculine singular object pronoun. We have this in English as well. We have object pronouns-me, you, him, her, it.

Secondly, the word “biha” is a 3rd person feminine singular personal pronoun. So this further clarifies how “wa-innahu” should be understood.


“And indeed, it surely is a knowledge of the Hour. So do not be in doubt about it, and follow Me. This is the Path Straight.” (Qur’an 43:61)

Even if we did go against the Arabic grammar we still have to contend with the fact that the Qur’an has clearly stated that Jesus died. The text of the Qur’an should be in harmony with one another.  ‘

I did find the following translation interesting: Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar has an interesting translation: “And truly, he is with the knowledge of the Hour.” You could understand this as “And truly, the knowledge of the Hour is with him.” 

One could understand this as a slap in the face to Christian Christology.  The Qur’an asserts what the Bible does not, namely that Jesus knows about the day of judgement where as in the New Testament Jesus is clueless.

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Mark 13:32)

In the economy of the so called “Trinity” the Son is doesn’t know the hour, where as if Jesus died as a martyr (as the Qur’an proclaims) than Jesus is with Allah (swt) and he certainly does know the hour.


As regards the so called “2nd coming of Jesus” it is just not going to happen. Jesus was impailed by the Roman Imperium and he died a martyr.

I’m afraid contrary to what Christians believe and many Muslims Jesus will not be showing casing his “FINAL FORM” -ala-the following verse:

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.'” (Luke 19:27)


So even if you were to execute someone in a dark alley, a person who rejected Jesus, that wouldn’t be good enough. Jesus wants you do it right in front of him. Not going to happen, not now, not tomorrow, not ever.

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Flawed Reasoning & Faulty Logic & Cop Outs. Why Jews Don’t Accept Jesus as Messiah

And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel (Qu’ran 3:48)


We know that the Jesus of the New Testament is not the one mentioned by Allah in the Qur’an. We know this because the Jesus of the New Testament is not only extremely unwise, but he obviously cannot be God, deity or divine essence as he uses extremely poor reasoning.


Christians tell us that one of the biggest proofs that Jesus is legitimate is because of his miracles.  His greatest miracle they allege is that Jesus rose from the dead.


However, perhaps the biggest let down is the fact that none of us alive where there to witness this so-called miracle.  We have to rely upon narratives constructed about the events and handed down to us.  Where was the greatest miracle of the Blessed Prophet Muhammed (saw) is the Qur’an.  You can examine the Qur’an. It is tangible. You can pour over its contents and reflect upon it and ultimately decide rather or not this came from the Creator of the universe. At the very least you have something tangible. Unfortunately the same can not be said of the so called “resurrection”.   


Now if Jesus was indeed doing miracles and this was becoming known his rivals who also believe in the supra-natural would have to construct some kind of argument to make Jesus look false. So one of those charges is the charge of sorcery, and magic. That Jesus was able to do these things because in reality he was an agent of Satan.   


In fact, interestingly the Qur’an speaks to this in a way that the New Testament does not.


“O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to you and your mother. Behold! I strengthened you with the holy spirit, so that you did speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught you the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! You make out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and you breathed into it and it became a bird by My leave, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! You bring forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) you when you did show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic.’ (Qur’an 5:110)


“And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: “O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.” But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, “this is evident sorcery!” (Qur’an 61:6)

I think it is both interesting and telling that the Qur’an has two places in which the children of Israel accuse Jesus of magic or sorcery. 

The mishna teaches that a crier goes out before the condemned man. This indicates that it is only before him, i.e., while he is being led to his execution, that yes, the crier goes out, butfrom the outset, before the accused is convicted, he does not go out. The Gemara raises a difficulty: But isn’t it taught in a baraita: On Passover Eve they hung the corpse of Jesus the Nazarene after they killed him by way of stoning. And a crier went out before him for forty days, publicly proclaiming: Jesus the Nazarene is going out to be stoned because he practiced sorcery, incited people to idol worship, and led the Jewish people astray. Anyone who knows of a reason to acquit him should come forward and teach it on his behalf.And the court did not find a reason to acquit him, and so they stoned him and hung his corpse on Passover eve.“

Source: [ https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.43a ]


What is curious is the faulty reasoning that the Jesus of the New Testament gives in response to these allegations.


If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons drive them out? So then, they will be your judges? But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.” (Matthew 12:26-28) 

The reasoning given by Jesus here is logically faulty. It clearly has huge holes in it. 


1) It assumes that that kingdom of Satan is divided and that the whole act isn’t a charade to begin with.


How do we know that Satan isn’t the one actually driving out the demons in order for the people to falsely accept this Jesus?  It could be a ruse. The demons are working together and putting on an act.


2) It gives lie to the idea that the kingdom of Satan cannot be divided. Why can’t it be? The kingdom of God was divided once. 

And there was WAR IN HEAVEN. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.” (Revelation 12:7)


Think about it, if Satan wanted the throne of God, is it beyond reason to think that other Demons would challenge Satan for his kingdom?


3) Jesus admission that ” by whom do your sons drive them out” Which is a clear admission by Jesus that he was aware that the sons of the Chief Priest/Rabbi’s were casting out demons.   Which also ironically portrays this Jesus as ignorant of the test in Deuteronomy 13:1-5.  and that prophet, Or that dreamer of dreams, Shall be put to death;

Not only is the response of the Jesus of the New Testament logically fallacious it seems odd given that according to Christians (that he is God in essence) that he would have forgotten about  his little rendezvous with the prophets of Baal. 

1 Kings 18:25-40

New International Version

Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, “Choose one of the bulls and prepare it first, since there are so many of you. Call on the name of your god, but do not light the fire.”So they took the bull given them and prepared it.

Then they called on the name of Baal from morning till noon. “Baal, answer us!” they shouted. But there was no response; no one answered. And they danced around the altar they had made.

At noon Elijah began to taunt them. “Shout louder!” he said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.” So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed. Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention.

Then Elijah said to all the people, “Come here to me.” They came to him, and he repaired the altar of the Lord, which had been torn down. Elijah took twelve stones, one for each of the tribes descended from Jacob, to whom the word of the Lord had come, saying, “Your name shall be Israel.”With the stones he built an altar in the name of the Lord, and he dug a trench around it large enough to hold two seahs of seed. He arranged the wood, cut the bull into pieces and laid it on the wood. Then he said to them, “Fill four large jars with water and pour it on the offering and on the wood.”

Do it again,” he said, and they did it again.

Do it a third time,” he ordered, and they did it the third time. The water ran down around the altar and even filled the trench.

At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.

Then the fire of the Lord fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.

When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, “The Lord—he is God! The Lord—he is God!”

Then Elijah commanded them, “Seize the prophets of Baal. Don’t let anyone get away!” They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there.   



Notice that this Jesus is a far cry from Elijah the Prophet. The Jesus of the New Testament will be issuing no such challenges. Instead of using faulty logic and very poor reasoning skills (which you can imagine convinced no one) Jesus could have -ala-Clint Eastwood style challenged anyone around to an Ejijah style duel. He dared not do any such thing.

So Elijah calls upon God and he is answered. Where as Jesus cries out, “My God, My God why have you forsaken me.”  Can you imagine if God didn’t consume Elijah’s sacrifice and he was just left there looking dumbstruck in front of everyone? Notice also that Elijah didn’t get any reprimand for “testing God”. 



Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego & the Flaming Furnace. 

Furious with rage, Nebuchadnezzar summoned Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. So these men were brought before the king,  and Nebuchadnezzar said to them, “Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the image of gold I have set up?  Now when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made, very good. But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?”

Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter.  If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us from Your Majesty’s hand. But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.”

Then Nebuchadnezzar was furious with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and his attitude toward them changed. He ordered the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual and commanded some of the strongest soldiers in his army to tie up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and throw them into the blazing furnace. So these men, wearing their robes, trousers, turbans and other clothes, were bound and thrown into the blazing furnace. The king’s command was so urgent and the furnace so hot that the flames of the fire killed the soldiers who took up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and these three men, firmly tied, fell into the blazing furnace.

Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?”

They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.”

He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”

Nebuchadnezzar then approached the opening of the blazing furnace and shouted, “Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, servants of the Most High God, come out! Come here!”

So Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego came out of the fire, and the satraps, prefects, governors and royal advisers crowded around them. They saw that the fire had not harmed their bodies, nor was a hair of their heads singed; their robes were not scorched, and there was no smell of fire on them.

Then Nebuchadnezzar said, “Praise be to the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, who has sent his angel and rescued his servants! They trusted in him and defied the king’s command and were willing to give up their lives rather than serve or worship any god except their own God. Therefore I decree that the people of any nation or language who say anything against the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego be cut into pieces and their houses be turned into piles of rubble, for no other god can save in this way.” 

Then the king promoted Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in the province of Babylon. (Daniel 3:13-40)


Comments:  Notice that God didn’t see these men as testing God. These men, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were thrown in a blazing hot furnace in front of all and sundry. They were saved and apparently Nebuchadnezzar converts to Judaism (though we have no historical evidence of this). Interestingly, Nebuchadnezzar also says that anyone who speaks against the God of these men will be ‘cut into pieces’ and you don’t see Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego advising against this. So apparently God(Father, Son, Holy Spirit)  was quite o.k with it.


This is why the Jesus of the New Testament even backs down from a challenge from Satan himself! It honestly does not get anymore pathetic than that. In fact in response, the Jesus of the New Testament misquotes scripture to save face!


Jesus replied, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'” (Matthew 4:7)

But Jesus declared, “It also says, ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'” (Luke 4:12)


When actually what the scripture says is:


You shall not put the LORD your God to the test, AS YOU TESTED him at Massah.” (Deuteronomy 6:16)


So it is not that you can’t Test God, but that you cannot test God as you did at Massah. 

“And he gave that place the name Massah and Meribah, because the children of Israel were angry, and because they put the Lord to the test, saying, Is the Lord with us or not?” (Exodus 17:7) 


The Bible is absolutely silent about the test here but the Qur’an informs us about the repeated request to see God plainly. The very heart of the request of Atheism itself.


As regards the Jews and the New Testament Jesus can anyone blame them? Flawed reasoning. Faulty Logic, Cop outs. In the end they report he wasn’t rescued from death. 


 Please read: https://primaquran.com/2020/07/27/the-ibadi-view-from-the-quran-and-sunnah-will-we-ever-see-allah/ 

& https://primaquran.com/2019/05/17/a-jewish-argument-against-the-quran/


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